Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English

[katrien]

On the NWO-site:

T Says:
april 11th, 2008 at 0:43

Natalee’s kamer was niet kamer 7114; Natalee had andere kamergenotes dan Beth steeds beweert; Beth dumpte Natalee bij vertrek; het nieuws van de zeiltocht)

T SAYS: "Natalee's room was not room 7114; Natalee had other roommates that Beth claims; Beth was dumping Natalee when she departed; the news of the sailing trip".

mr. drs. BOU Says:
april 11th, 2008 at 5:53
Dat wat in deze zaak ontbreekt, is een gedegen onderzoek naar de rol van Holloway/Twitty. Ik denk dan met name aan de stiefbroer van Natalee, die ook op Aruba was toen zij verdween. Zijn rol is nog altijd volkomen blanco. Dat is toch wel een beetje vreemd!

Bou Says:
"That's what is missing in this case, a well done investigation to the roll of HollowayTwitty. I mainly think of the stepbrother of Natalee, who was also on Aruba when she disappeared. His role is still completely blanc. That is a bit weird".

http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/19/waarom-joran-niet-wordt-aangehouden/?cp=3
 
 
 

[katrien]

It seems that they have dropped Beth as being involved in the disappearance of Nathalee and the stepfather is not a suspect anymore eighter.

At the moment Renee Gielen and her bunch of fortunetellers focus on the stepbrothers.

Let's help them to solve the problem:
Both stepbrothers were involved and the stepfather too and Beth
took care of Natalee's disappearance. 

and Beth's father came with a little boat.

[katrien]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=AOCDqGgQAbU

[johan555]

HET NWO blog
Je moet je niet al te druk maken over wat ze daar schrijven op dat nwo blog
Ze zitten daar allemaal met 1 tunnelvisie en dat is die van RG
Die heeft tot nu toe niks boven tafel gebracht en heeft nauwelijks nog werk ,alleen een beetje vrijwilligerswerk bij de dierenbescherming .
Ze heeft enorm lopen leuren bij diverse omroepen om maar een filmpje te mogen maken .
Geen enkele omroep ziet er iets in en geld krijgt ze nergens los.
De omroepen en de redactie van de amigioe lezen daar ook mee op dat nwo blog en trekken vast hun conclusies .
Onze zogenaamde mr. drs. BOU (Boudineke Berkenbosch,Amerika haatster ) die zich voordoet als mr en drs is een gefrustreerde vrouw uit zeeland die nauwelijks de deur nog uitkomt en alleen nog achter de computer hangt omdat ze bang is voor vreemde post op haar blog .
Amerika mag ze natuurlijk allang niet meer in en RG is daar ook niet meer welkom .
Mensen met een andere visie worden direct geband of hun computer wordt gehacked .
Voor de vorm is ze zogenaamd ook streng tegen de eigen posters ,maar die mogen altijd blijven ,want die zijn zo waardevol !
Het stikt daar van de trollen en sokpoppen .
Het is wel vermakelijk daar omdat je kan zien van welk nivo deze RG is een erg ordinair typetje dus .
Al met al zal je er weinig te lezen krijgen en is het zonde van je tijd .
de sokpop :
DE sokpop:
De benaming wanneer er één of meer extra gebruikersnamen gehanteerd worden door één persoon, bijvoorbeeld wanneer iemand op een internetforum meerdere gebruikersnamen registreert. Ook worden sokpoppen op het internet vaak met de Engelse benaming sock puppet aangeduid. Een verwant geval komt voor als een persoon al zijn vrienden, kennissen, familieleden, enzovoorts oproept om ook bij te dragen aan discussies.. Dit soort sokpoppen worden ook wel meatpuppets (letterlijk "vleespoppen") genoemd.

[caesu]

ik heb nu ook via via van een verzorger gehoord dat Joran bij Altrecht zit.

[klaasend]

This was posted on Gretawire.  What do you guys think?  Is it possible that Joran is out of the mental facility now?  I think it's also possible someone might mistake Valentijn for Joran.

[caesu]

Joran went in treatment voluntary, he can leave whenever he wants, so it is possible.

[johan555]

Shango zegt herhaaldelijk dat DirtyHand(chief of Police) en the elder/fallen judge (PVDS) de waarheid weten. High profile case indeed! Simian valt hierin bij:

Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys distress

Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking

Shango on June 26th, 2005 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this

Simian on June 26th, 2005 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad. Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.

Shango on June 26th, 2005 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed

Noot: Op 26 juni werd PVDS vrijgelaten. Op 27 juni werd Steve G. Croes vrijgelaten.

En dan:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder. The gods are talking

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:06 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:29 pm
Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
Follow the music!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles=
they weren’t on the beach?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:32 pm
THE DRAX SCORES

Verder:

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:42 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.= some guy(s) who were gambling need to be questioned. They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze= they went to a party
Mary who was not a virgin entered= Natalee was there
The DiceMen ROLLED= ?
Mary ROLLED= Mary= Natalee
Babylonian= Joran…right?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:42 pm
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played

buyme on June 27th, 2005 10:44 pm
Joran left the party. Natalie was high on XTC. lions?

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:44 pm
Sub
Shivas did not know the GIRL (Singular)

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

Shango on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
Enter the Maze.

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

En:

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:52 pm
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys
they will leave without loot

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:59 pm
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze

Shango on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light

Yliana on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen

subdude on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I beleive. Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.
Yliana: Any thoughts?

Shango on June 28th, 2005 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

Shango on June 28th, 2005 1:11 am
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

Shango on June 28th, 2005 2:50 am
The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
they lost to the lions
dirty hand knows
the elder knows
and so do the arawaks
the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
the maze shall remain dark to all but the arawak nation and the elders
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SHANGO :
DirtyHand, a senior at the police (vdr Straaten) and the elder / fallen judge (PVDS) know what happened. NH JVDS has not taken to the beach, but to a privefeest with someone at home, where he was invited by the 'lions' (higher powers / criminals) is weggejaagd.

The key to the solution would be on Aruba are in a very closed circuit 'higher powers' that have long on the island a shadowy existence. If you can believe Shango had Yliana and Subdude this key time in nearly hands.

Dutch :

In feite zegt Shango:

DirtyHand, een hooggeplaatste bij de politie (vdr Straaten) en the elder/fallen judge (PVDS) weten wat er is gebeurd. JVDS heeft NH niet meegenomen naar het strand, maar naar een privefeest bij iemand thuis, waar hij door de ‘lions’ (hogere machten/criminelen) is weggejaagd.

De sleutel tot de oplossing zou dan op Aruba zijn in een zeer gesloten circuit van ‘hogere machten’ die al heel lang op het eiland een schimmig bestaan leiden. Als je Shango kunt geloven, hadden Yliana en Subdude die sleutel destijds bijna in handen.

met dank aan : EEF

[Observer]

who the hell is flipper  ::MonkeyDance::en wie was je op fok dan ?
[/quote

He lurks alot but seem's to be reading everything he can on this case...This guy is another example of a great Dutchie who is demanding justice for Natalee..

Hallo Katrien and Johan  When is De Vries coming out with his next show on Natalee? It would be nice to see if he can come up with something substantial like his first show..I think one more major blow to this cover up and the walls of corruption are gonna fall..

[johan555]

Shango
THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is here
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the island s businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; or tripping whether or not self induced doing X is called rolling
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Natalee s real killers (or those responsible for her death Sex/drug dealers.)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

[johan555]

 

Google eens trouwens op Comvroit.

 Op 19-04-2006 verscheen in een antilliaanse krant een stuk over zijn arrestatie. Daarin werd uitgelegd dat zijn vader de beveiliging van de Holiday Inn deed. etc. (volgens mij was het antillen.nu ofzo). Over het shirt wat gevonden was met het logo van dat bedrijf werd gezegd dat deze door een drugsverslaafde was gestolen.
Funny, in de buurt waar zij wonen zijn echt geen "chollers" of te wel zwervende drugsverlaafden te vinden. En iemand met een beveiligingsbedrijf zou echt wel zijn eigen huis met erf wel goed beveiligd hebben. Dus persoonlijk vind ik dat een vreemde verklaring.

Daar kwam de familie zelf ook achter waarschijnlijk, want op 21-04-2006 lieten zij via hun advocaat officieel verklaren dat zij tijdens de verdwijning van Natalee niet werkzaam waren voor de Holiday inn. En zijn zoon bleek toen ook nog niet voor zijn vaders bedrijf te werken.
Nou vraag ik je, waarom hebben ze dat niet bij de eerste verklaring laten weten?

[johan555]

Steve Gregory Croes
Was at the time of disappearance Natalees DJ on the Tattoo Party Boat, a small model cruise ship off the coast of Aruba where parties were organized on. It takes groups of tourists into the Caribbean Sea on and leave them there drinking and dancing to music. Steve had the control over a key of this boat and was the solid DJ. On zondagavonden always remained the boat to shore, just in case of special private bookings was izplule. Natalee Holloway disappeared on the night of Sunday, May 30, 2005 in the presence of suspected Joran van der Sloot. The first statement by Joran, Satish and Deepak, however, was that they have Natalee off at the lobby of the Holiday Inn. On the basis of that information in June 2005 also two security guards of Holiday Inn arrested. However, the declaration was adopted by J2K (Joran and Kalpoe brothers) again repealed and the guards were released.

At the time of J2K the statement introkken, Steve Croes, however, came from nothing to justice to declare that he had seen how J2K that night Natalee had disposed of at her hotel. Because J2K their statement then had already withdrawn, it was Steve Croes immediately suspicious. Because why would he voluntarily and out-of-the-blue to justice steps to make a statement to the benefit of J2K? Justice found this suspicious and Steve Croes has 10 days vastgezeten and was subsequently released. What justice has not examined is the role of the Tattoo Party Boat in this verdwijningszaak. The boat has not been inspected and has not been studied why Steve Croes was dismissed as a DJ of the boat.

In June 2005, the guestbook of the Tattoo Party Boat volgespamd website with messages of American Internet users as "Where is Natalee?" The guestbook is when offline, the message that the webmasters had decided this is still on this link:
http://Http://web.archive.org/we (...) ventures / dcguest.cgi

Even stranger is the fact that the Tattoo Party Boat almost immediately after Natalees disappearance was put on sale on the Internet for an amount of $ 875,000 - This advertisement is still visible through the following link:
http://Http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
The boat is still not sold.

But there is more. Nine days before Natalees disappearance (in May 2005) there is at the same beach near Holiday Inn aangerand a woman in the car and tried to draw a regular Arubaan with a separate model (octagonal) glasses. The woman's escape and a complaint at the Aruban police. Following this declaration is a compositietekening and later this figure linked to a photo on which both he and Steve Croes were shown during an Aruban party. These photos are also photographs of Satish Kalpoe found, he was also present at that party. The pictures were hosted on a site of the TU Delft, the reason for this is still unclear. Steve Gregory Croes is apparently a social circle that are plainly geweldadig. The photo with the regular Arubaan with octagonal glasses and Croes was the Aruban by bloggers to Peter R. De Vries.

A possible scenario Natalees disappearance could play involving this Steve Croes and maybe others. Maybe the Tattoo Party Boat is a great role responded and this is what justice has never been arrested. The above data are at least curious and would explain to a "hide-and-seek" playing Joran van der Sloot to the attention derivable from the real perpetrator (s).

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Steve Gregory Croes
was ten tijde van Natalees verdwijning DJ op de Tatoo Party Boat, een klein model cruiseschip voor de kust van Aruba waar feestjes op werden georganiseerd. Het neemt groepen toeristen mee de Caribische Zee op en laat ze daar drinken en op muziek dansen. Steve had de beschikking over een sleutel van deze boot en was de vaste DJ. Op zondagavonden bleef de boot altijd aan wal, slechts in geval van speciale prive-boekingen werd dan uitgevaren. Natalee Holloway verdween in de nacht van zondag 30 mei 2005 in het bijzijn van vermoedelijk Joran van der Sloot. De eerste verklaring van Joran, Satish en Deepak was echter dat zij Natalee hebben afgezet bij de lobby van het Holiday Inn. Op basis van die informatie zijn in Juni 2005 ook twee security guards van Holiday Inn gearresteerd. Echter, de verklaring werd door J2K (Joran en Kalpoe brothers) weer ingetrokken en de guards werden vrijgelaten.

Op het moment dat J2K de verklaring introkken, kwam Steve Croes echter uit het niets naar justitie om te verklaren dat hij gezien had hoe J2K die nacht Natalee hadden afgezet bij haar hotel. Omdat J2K hun verklaring toen al hadden ingetrokken, maakte dit Steve Croes direct verdacht. Want waarom zou hij vrijwillig en out-of-the-blue naar justitie stappen om een verklaring in te dienen ten gunste van J2K? Justitie vond dit verdacht en Steve Croes heeft 10 dagen vastgezeten en is daarna vrijgelaten. Wat justitie echter niet heeft onderzocht is de rol van de Tatoo Party Boat in deze verdwijningszaak. De boot is niet geinspecteerd en ook is niet onderzocht waarom Steve Croes ontslagen werd als DJ van de boot.

In Juni 2005 is het guestbook van de Tatoo Party Boat website volgespamd met berichten van Amerikaanse internetters als "Where is Natalee?" Het guestbook is toen offline gehaald, het bericht dat de webmasters hiertoe besloten hadden is nog altijd te raadplegen via deze link:
http://web.archive.org/we(...)ventures/dcguest.cgi

Nog vreemder is het feit dat de Tatoo Party Boat vrijwel direct na Natalees verdwijning te koop is gezet op Internet voor een bedrag van $ 875.000,- Deze advertentie is nog altijd te zien via de volgende link:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
De boot is dus nog steeds niet verkocht.

Maar er is meer. Negen dagen voor Natalees verdwijning (mei 2005) is er op hetzelfde strand nabij Holiday Inn een vrouw aangerand en gepoogd in de auto te trekken van een gezette Arubaan met een apart model (achthoekige) bril. De vrouw is ontkomen en heeft aangifte gedaan bij de Arubaanse politie. Naar aanleiding van deze aangifte is een compositietekening gemaakt en later is deze figuur gelinked aan een foto waarop zowel hij als Steve Croes waren te zien tijdens een Arubaans feest. In deze fotoserie zijn ook foto's van Satish Kalpoe terug te vinden, hij was ook aanwezig op dat feest. De foto's werden gehosted op een site van de TU Delft, de reden hiervoor is nog altijd onduidelijk. Steve Gregory Croes bevindt zich klaarblijkelijk in een sociale kring die ronduit geweldadig is. De foto met de gezette Arubaan met achthoekige bril en Croes is destijds door Arubaanse bloggers naar Peter R. de Vries gezonden.

Een mogelijk scenario van Natalees verdwijning zou zich kunnen afspelen met betrokkenheid van deze Steve Croes en misschien nog anderen. Wellicht heeft de Tatoo Party Boat hier een grote rol ingespeeld en is dit iets wat justitie nooit heeft opgepakt. Bovenstaande gegevens zijn tenminste merkwaardig en zou een verklaring kunnen zijn voor een "hide-and-seek" spelende Joran van der Sloot om de aandacht af te leiden van de werkelijke dader(s).

[johan555]

Official document


PROCES VERBAAL

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke, respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime District 2, state the following.

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

Before the interview the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT was informed that he was under no obligation to answer.

The suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT has asked if his council Mr. A. SWAEN could be present at this interview and this was also requested by his council. This request was denied. His statement in dutch was transcribed by us, the reporting officers and goes as follows:

“To you question what I can declare with regards to me being arrested as a suspect of accessory to murder, manslaughter and
robbing someone of their freedom with death as the result, I can state the following. I find this totally ridiculous and absurd.

To your question what level of ridiculousness this reaches, I can state the following. I am of the opinion that my arrest reaches the highest possible levels of ridiculousness and absurdity.

To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.

To your question whether it was difficult to wake up Joran on that Monday morning, I can state the following. It is always difficult
to wake up Joran.

To your question whether it was more difficult than usual to wake him up, I can state the following. I had not noticed anything special.

To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not go to school that day.

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.

To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus, I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch.

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus every day Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period. But I do not remember exactly which days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday. Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.

To your question whether on the occasions that I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with the bus Joran stayed home or whether I drove him to school myself, I can state the following. I did bring Joran to a place at the open air cinema. He got onto the bus there. That was the first morning that Anita went to the Netherlands. I at that time did not inform the bus driver that Joran would not be going with the bus. Instead I was very angry with Valentijn and Sebastian for letting the bus drive off without Joran. Sebastian and Valentijn however where under the impression that Joran didn't need to go to school that day.

To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days.

To your question whether I picked up Joran during the period between May 30th 2005 and June 9th 2005, I can state the following. It is possible but I cannot remember whether I did. I did pick up Joran from school from time to time but whether it was in that time-period I cannot remember.

To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work.
The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours. I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the
tournament.

After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According to me both Rita and Joran where at home. Whether Valentijn and Sebastian where also there that Monday I cannot remember anymore because Valentijn and Sebastian quite often went over to a friends house during that time-period.

Whether I went with Joran to eat at a fast food restaurant that afternoon I cannot remember. I can only remember that while Anita was away I went and ate with him once. I don't think it is likely that we did that day because I left work at approximately 15.00 hours.

To your question what I did after 16.15 hours, I can state the following. I think I dropped of Joran off at the “Racquet Club” at
approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though. I cannot exactly remember anymore.

To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Racquet Club”, I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside. As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I do not know for sure. I can also remember he had told me that he was going to enter the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham. I had told him that he could always call me if he wanted to be picked up to go home. He said that he would do this or that he would hitch a ride home with someone.

To your question if I can remember what Joran had with him when I dropped him off at the “Racquet Club”, I can state the following. Every time that he goes to play tennis he has a sports bag with tennis equipment with him. I cannot visually play back in my own mind whether I actually saw him carrying the bag. Sometimes Joran just went to work out at the “Racquet Club”. On those occasions he would not have his tennis bag with him.

To your question on which days Joran followed tennis lessons, I can state the following. According to me he certainly has them on Monday. And there is one more day that he has lessons but I cannot remember what exact day that is. Occasionally we have a joint lesson with Jerry.

To your question whether we can ascertain whether I had dropped off Joran in order for him to go to a tennis lesson, I can state
the following. I took hm there to either follow a tennis lesson or to go to the gym. Whether he indeed took a tennis lesson or went to the gym I cannot say because after I had dropped him off, I went home.

To your question whether Joran on Monday May 30th 2005 hadn't been complaining about pain in his feet and legs and whether
he had told me that he would not take a tennis lesson, I can state the following. Joran occasionally has complaints like that. He sometimes also complains about back-aches. Whether he complained that Monday, I cannot remember.

To your question whether I can remember if Joran complained of pain in his feet or legs during the period from May 30th 2005 to
June 9th 2005, I can state the following. I can remember that between the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember however if he specifically complained about that on Monday.

To your question whether I asked him what could have caused the pains, I can state the following. No, I did not ask him. He complained about these kinds of pains from time to time.

To your question whether I knew what the causes were of these pains, I can state the following. I assumed that they were general pains of being tired/sore. I had not attributed them to a specific reason.

To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Racquet Club” to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following. I cannot remember. To the best of my recollection I did not return to the “Racquet Club” after I dropped off Joran.

I am not 100% sure of that. But if I had gone back to then it would not have been to pick up the bag alone but also to bring Joran home. At approximately 18.00 on Monday May 30th 2005 I would have been home. I cannot remember anymore if I picked up Sebastian and Valentijn or whether they were dropped off at our home because during the time Anita was away there was not fixed structure to that. I think I did eat dinner with Valentijn and Sebastian.

Sebastian and Valentijn went to bed at their normal bedtime of approximately 21.00 hours. I myself turned in for the night at approximately 23.00 hours. Whether I at that moment checked to see if Joran was home I am not sure.

To your question whether I often checked to see if Joran was in, I can state the following. I do check that from time to time. But not always.

To your question why I, knowing that Joran was supposed to call me if he needed to be picked up, did not check to see if he was home, I can state the following. If I did not check whether he was home then that was because I at that moment in time did not think about that.

To your question whether I than would have called Joran to ask him with whom he would drive home, I can state the following. It could be that I called him but I do not remember whether I did. I of course call Joran regularly. With the question whether or not he needs a lift home. Whether that happened on Monday May 30th 2005, I cannot remember.

To your question what I did on May 31st 2005, I can state the following. Around 02.00 I was awakened by the barking of my dogs and Valentijn who had awakened before I woke up. I heard a lot of noise, I got dressed and walked to the gate. There I saw a police car and two police officers. There were also several other cars, among them a van and I think about 10 people or so. Most of these people turned out to be Americans but there were also a few Arubans, among other Charles CROES and two people with a cord around their necks. I think they were from a hotel. A police officer asked me if he could talk to me and he told me that a girl had gone missing and that my son had been seen with this girl. The group as a whole seemed agitated . One of the Americans told me that it was about a girl my son had met at “Carlos & Charlies”. I told him immediately that it could not have been my son because he had played in a “free tournament” at the Holiday Inn during the afternoon and that I had picked him up at 23.00 hours at “Mc Donalds”. I then went to Joran's apartment and to my surprise and to my anger he was not in his apartment. I then called him on his mobile phone. He immediately answered his phone. I asked him where he was and the told me he was at the “Wyndham”. That he was at the “Wyndham” did not surprise me at that moment. He was supposed to be playing in the “Free tournament” there. That could also be a clue that I indeed did not see him after I had dropped him off at the “Racquet Club”. I told him that people wanted to talk to him with regard to a girl that had gone missing and that I would come to where he was. I then got into the police-car and the whole group drove over to the “Wyndham”. I walked towards the casino that was locking up. I could not see Joran there and I again called him on his mobile phone. He answered and told me that he was at home now.

To your question whether I told Joran who were with me, I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.

A few people in the group showed the picture of the missing woman to several members of staff at the casino. At least one of the women said that she had seen the girl a few hours earlier in the company of a tall boy. Serious discussions took place but I suggested that we should go to my house again because that was where Joran had gone to.

To your question whether, in front of the casino, I had mistakenly thought someone was Joran and pointe him out, I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did. Maybe I did see a tall boy and from a distance mistook him for Joran and walked into that direction.

I once again entered the police car and the whole group followed me to my house. When we arrived there I found Joran together with Deepak, leaning against the car. I asked Joran why he did not stay at the Wyndham and he said that he must have misunderstood me. He also told me that the neighbors had told him to turn the music down because they had complained. He also told me that he had been to the “Raddison”. According to me Charles CROES was the first person who started asking Joran questions. Joran said that he had met a girl at “Carlos & Charlies” and that he, Deepak and Satish had dropped her off at the Holiday Inn. Joran said that Sunday afternoon he had had met a girl at the Holiday Inn and that he had helped her when she was sitting at the poker table. The girl had lost $350 and he had helped her win back $150 (a few days later when Joran had seen a picture of Natalee and her friends in one of the free US newspapers, he said that it was the girl on the extreme right of that picture that he had helped win back the money. That girl was not Natalee). Natalee did belong to a group of American girls that had been pushing him to come over to “Carlos & Charlies”. According to Joran he told them that he couldn't go to “Carlos & Charlies” because he had to go to school the next day. He also told them that he, without my knowing about it, arranged to be picked up by Deepak around 24.00 hours and that he did go to “Carlos & Charlies”.In “Carlos & Charlies” the missing girl Natalee, invited him several times to come dancing with her. He told that he did dance with her and that she had asked him to take a so-called “Body-shot” off her. He also said that she wanted to go with him in the car and that they drove in circles around “Carlos & Charlies” for a few times and waived to some friends of Natalee. Natalee was absolutely sure she wanted to stay in the car. I saw that he then addressed a few of the Americans. He asked if Natalee's parents where among them. One of the people said he was Natalee's step-father. He asked if the step-father would please go away for a second and told the rest of the people that they had been kissing in the back seat and that he had fingered the girl.Joran also said that the girl wanted to see the sharks and that because of that they had gone to the north coast of the island even though Joran had told her that there were no sharks there. Joran also said that the girl had said that her mother was the sister of “Hitler” and that she said she wanted to go to Austria. He also said the girl had asked him if Deepak and Satish were his slaves because the parents of the girl owned a plantation and that black people worked there like slaves. I am not sure whether he said this to the Americans or to the police-officers in the car. There was uncertainty for a moment whether Joran and the group of people where talking about the same girl. I can remember another name was mentioned next to Natalee's name. I thought the other name was Kathleen. When Joran however was shown a picture of the girl, he said that it had been this girl that he had made out with. He recognised her especially by her eyes and the mouth. After Charles CROES had spoken Joran others started interrogating Joran. That did not always go very subtle. Joran was accused and inconsistencies in his story where pointed out to him. I at that moment in time though that those inconsistencies where futilities and that he was seriously pressured from several people. I told the Americans in the group to restrain themselves, and told them they did not have any jurisdiction here, and that they should act civil. I then addressed the police officers and told them they should take charge of the situation. I told Joran and Deepak that they should make their statements to the police-officers rather than to the Americans. At some point one of the Americans cursed out Deepak by calling him an “asshole”. I at that moment stated that they had gone too far and that Joran and Deepak should make no more statements to the Americans. One of the police officers indeed stepped in and said that this was no way to go forward. I said we should focus on finding the girl and not to insult people. I said to the Americans that they should realize they are in another country and they should act politely. One of the Americans suggested going to the “Light House” because according to Joran they had been there when they were driving around the girl. One of the police officers said that this was useless. I happened to agree with him. At that moment I wanted for Joran to go to his apartment and I wanted to return to bed. Joran however said that we should try our best to help and find this girl. One of the Americans suggested that we should go the Holiday Inn to take it further from there/view the situation. A little bit reluctantly I got back into the police car with Deepak and Joran. The police officers were also somewhat tired of the situation and said that the Americans should report the girl missing. We then drove to the police-station in Noord and the police-officers consulted with the watch-commander. They also changed cars. I understood that the watch-commander had no objections to the police-officers going to the Holiday Inn together with Deepak, Joran and myself. When we arrived at the Holiday Inn there was a dark coloured man there standing with folded arms who later introduced himself as WILLIAMS from the F.B.I. This man immediately took Joran separately and had a short talk with him. I also went over to WILLIAMS and asked him what his function was. Then he told me he was with the F.B.I. so I returned to the the police officers and asked them whether they knew that F.B.I. officers were present there. They told me they did not know anything about that. I briefly talked with a member of staff from the Holiday Inn who told me there was only one camera and that this camera was pointed in the direction of the front desk. I also understood it was not certain whether or not that camera was actually working. One of the police officers had a lengthy discussion with WILLIAMS in the back of the lobby. I understood from the officer that he had informed WILLIAMS of the existence of the so-called “Beach bums”. Deepak also told a girl behind the front desk that he had seen that a security guard dressed in black had walked over to the girl after they had dropped her off. The security guard had been in the possession of a “walkie talkie”. The girl behind the front desk said that it could not have been one of their security guards because they wear white shirts. There still was fierce discussion but one of the Americans wanted to shake my hand to express that he was sorry of having been so hurt full and agitated. I at that moment refused to shake that hand because I was still angry about their behaviour which prompted another American to say “talk about being civil”. A woman with long black hair was continuously talking on her mobile phone. I understood that she was informing the news media in the US to the fact that a girl had gone missing. I briefly talked to Charles CROES who had been driving the mother of the missing girl. He said that he didn't need to know anything more from Joran. He said that he had looked into Joran's eyes and understood from that

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moment we got into the police car after I had shook every ones hands, all except the long black haired woman who was still on the phone. WILLIAMS told me that I should count on the fact they they would want to talk to Joran again. The mother of the girl by that time had already left. At least I did not see her anymore. We were dropped off home by the officers. It was starting to get light.

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go. I know that I insisted that he should go. A reason for that might be that he had already not gone to school on Monday. I then left for work. I think it was approximately 7.30 hours when I called the headmaster of the International School. I had told him that Joran had not slept all night and asked for him to be understanding just in case Joran was feeling sleepy. About 8.30 hours I was called by one of the guards in the hall of the justice building and he told me that Jan van der Straten wanted to talk to me. I took Jan van der Straten up to my room and there Jan van der Straten asked me if I could pick up Joran from school and bring him over to the police-station in Bubali. Jan said that it was wisest to do this immediately. I called the headmaster and told him that I would be coming to pick up Joran. The headmaster told me that Joran was resting in what was called the doctors office and asked me at what time he should wake him up. I told him that I would be at the I.S.A. at approximately 10.00 hours. When I arrived at the I.S.A. Joran was already up. I then waited with Joran until the headmaster was free because he was in a meeting with the school counselor. We then briefly talked to the headmaster, at that time we talked about the fact that the girl had gone missing, that the girl had had a lot to drink and that Joran should have kept a closer eye on the girl and that he should have made sure that the girl safely had gone into the Holiday Inn. The headmaster and myself told Joran that he should have acted more responsibly. We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement. Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement. We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations. At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's, which of these fast food restaurants we ate I cannot remember anymore. Then we went home. Both of us were very tired because we had not slept a lot that night.

I cannot remember what I did when I got home. I think that Joran went to bed and that I worked a little in the garden and then started preparing dinner. I informed Anita about what had taken place. That night I went to bed early.

To your question what I did on June 1st 2005, I can state the following. That was the day Anita was supposed to come home from the Netherlands. According to me the alarm clock went off as usual at 05.45 hours and at 06.00 hours I woke up the boys and they all got onto the bus. According to me that day was a normal day. I cannot remember anything special about that day. I think I went to work as usual and got home at approximately 16.30 hours, we ate dinner as we normally did, I was at the computer and at approximately 20.00 hours we picked up Anita. I think that Sebastian came with me to pick up Anita.

To your question whether I had a talk on June 1st 2005 with Joran, Deepak and Satish about the case of the missing girl. I do not remember if this was on the 1st of June 2005. I did talk a lot with Deepak, Satish and Joran, from the moment they were interviewed as witnesses until they were arrested. We of course read the newspapers, saw the news and talked about it. I also was in almost daily contact with Jan van der STRATEN. I did not doubt the truthfulness of their story for one second. When we talked about the girl, we discussed what could happen if the girl would not re-appear. I was under the impression that the boys assumed that she would re-appear sooner or later. Af course we also discussed what if the girl did not re-appear. From what little information I got from Jan van der STRATEN, I got some hope that the girl was seen after she was dropped off at the Holiday Inn. He did not say this in so many words but I took that as an explanation as to why the boys weren't asked to give further statements to the police.

To your question when I had noticed, that boys were asking a lot about what would happen with missing girl would not re-appear or if she would be found dead, what would happen then, whether this did not make me wonder why they were asking this, I can state the following. According to me it was not the boys who brought this up, but I brought this up. I was usually the one who steered the conversation towards the girl.

Why did I steer the conversation towards the girl? I did this because I was getting worried. I was getting worried for the girl and also for the boys. Because of the fact that they had been the last to be seen with the girl they would no doubt come back to them. I however did not doubt the validity of their story for one moment.

Comment reporting officer: At 20.05 hours the assistent district attorney, inspector first class J.C. SAMBO informed the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT that he would be held for questioning at the police station in Noord on which the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT responded that he would resist the incarceration because it was a completely insane and absurd action.

Suspect finds it highly questionable that this is only happening to make his son make statements that are beside the truth. Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity into the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing, but that this could best be done in the capacity of a witness.

To your question whether I spoke to the boys at home on Wednesday June 1st 2005 and about what we talked, I can state the following. I don't exactly remember anymore what days I spoke to the boys. I only know that I talked to the boys a lot. I did not want Joran to be out of the house for as long as the girl was still missing. Because of that a lot of Joran's friends, including Deepak and Satish came over to visit us. We then often talked aboutthe girl. We were following the reports in the newspapers, on the radio and on television.

To your question how it happened that I found a lawyer for Joran and the two Kalpoe brothers, I can state the following. Looking at the facts I had to take into consideration that Joran, Deepak and Satish could at some point become suspects. If that was the case I wanted the proces to go as smoothly as possible, in order for them to be released as soon as possible. Again, I still believed their story implicitly. If they already had lawyers no time would be waisted when they were arrested. The lawyer could be there very quickly, so that the questioning could being immediately and no time would be wasted. In reality I was trying to facilitate the process as much as possible.

You are telling me that I have stated that I believed the story but still took preparations with regard to a lawyer and I have explained them the entire procedure of being arrested and being detained, why? To this I can say the following. I have previously said that due to the fact that the boys could possibly be the last people who had been seen with the girl, this fact could be sufficient to cause them to be seen as suspects. As said before, I wanted to facilitate this process. Part of that was making sure the boys did not panic because they were unfamiliar with the procedure. I especially wanted to prevent that they would make statements that were untrue. In the situation they found themselves with a police and judicial apparatus that was under enormous pressure that was not unthinkable.

To your question why I would think they would panic if they told their story, the one I believed, or whether I had reasons to be suspicious of their story and whether I know more about the case than I, my son Joran, Deepak and Satish did not tell when they made their first witness statements, I can tell you the following. I have told you before that I believed the boys story, that I had no reasons to doubt it, I also did not get any clues that made me doubtful and thus I assumed that the statement they gave to the police were the correct ones. My fear was more in the desire to score of the police force. I was afraid that the boys would be entrapped/tricked into making a statement that was not correct. I have told them on more than one occasion that they should count themselves lucky that they were with the three of them and that the interviews should not be hard because they were telling the truth.

To your question as to how good a liar Joran is, I can tell you the following. In the past Joran lied. About money that he had stolen from us. We have talked about this extensively and it was also discussed at the youth psychologist Dr. XXX XXXXXX, with whom he had several talks about his growth into adulthood. I had the feeling he had made a clean breast of it/fresh start. I at least did not assume I had to doubt everything he said.

To your question what I now think after it came out that Joran is making untruthful after untruthful statement and what I can state about that, I can state the following. I can not make a judgement about this. What I have understood that Joran is the one who broke open the case.

To your question what I mean when I said that Joran broke open the case, I can state the following. Joran's lawyer has told me that it was Joran who changed his statement. Because of that the case is now broken open and now the truth can come out.

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible.

Comment reporting officers: At approximately 21.15 hours the interview of the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT was concluded in mutual understanding with the suspect. The suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT will be enabled to read the complete proces-verbaal and to make comments on it.

P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT

After the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he stated to us that he would persist in it and signed it.

Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Noord on June 23rd 2005.


The reporting officers


R.R. TROMP C.A. BURKE

[johan555]

Verkoold lichaam gevonden
14 Apr, 2008, 18:07 (GMT -04:00)

Rechercheurs en politieagenten doorzoeken de omgeving van de bouwval waar het verbrande stoffelijk overschot door voorbijgangers werd aangetroffen. 

ORANJESTAD — In een onbewoond huis in Palo Margo, ten noorden van San Nicolas, is zondagavond rond zes uur een ernstig verbrand stoffelijk overschot aangetroffen. De politie kreeg even voor zes uur een telefoontje van een echtpaar dat in de buurt wandelde en het lichaam aantrof.

De patrouille van de politie trof in het verlaten huis een stoffelijk overschot aan dat zo ernstig verminkt was dat zelfs het geslacht niet met zekerheid kon worden vastgesteld. Daarover krijgt de politie vandaag zekerheid nadat sectie op het lichaam is verricht. Ze hoopt dan ook meer aanwijzingen te hebben om de identiteit vast te stellen.

De technische recherche trof in het huis, dat ten noorden van Palo Margo staat in de buurt van de Tunnel of Love, bloedsporen aan. Of daaruit geconstateerd mag worden dat de persoon ook in het huis is omgebracht, kon politiewoordvoerder Papito Comencia niet zeggen. “We wachten de resultaten van de sectie en het sporenonderzoek af. We hebben op dit moment nog geen enkel idee wat zich in het huis heeft afgespeeld.” Hij laat weten dat de recherche gisteravond onmiddellijk begonnen is met het instellen van een diepgaand onderzoek.





 

[johan555]

Over Shango en Simian :
Joran noemt ook al hogere machten .
Voor zo'n pubertje al een hele uitspraak,maar die keek ook op tegen die patrick .
Ik denk dat ze goed ingeschat hebben dat dit weleens behoorlijk op internet besproken zou kunnen gaan worden .
De verdwijning etc .en natuurlijk als ze zeker weten dat het lijk min of meer onvindbaar is .
Wat is er dan slimmer dan direct en snel na de verdwijning een dwaalspoor op te zetten met een aantal kennisen en er op sprookjes achtige manier en vol met raadsels allerlei berichten posten ?
Een beetje laten merken dat je van de hoed en de rand weet .
Ook zitten er wat Vodoo achtige dingen in en dat zou kunnen wijzen op de 2 broers (K& S)
Je kan heel makkelijk door voorkomen of het uit florida komt of door een netwerkje of door iemand het daar te laten posten .
Ik denk dat Shango en of Simian > Paul vd Sloot is en hulp heeft gehad van Jacob Wit ook is het niet onmogelijk dat Renee Gielen er iets mee te maken heeft
Interessant zou zijn eens te onderzoeken
of deze mensen familie of connecties hebben met florida

over :

JACOB WIT AND HIS FRIEND PAUL VD SLOOT


De meest opmerkelijke en bedenkelijke rol in de gehele kwestie speelt
niet zoon Joran, maar vader Paul van der Sloot. Na zijn studie rechten
in Tilburg werkt hij een tijdlang als advocaat in Nederland om burgers
bij te staan in hun verzet tegen de overheid, maar al spoedig na
kennismaking met zijn toekomstige vrouw vertrekt hij naar Aruba. Hij
blijft wel vrienden in Nederland houden, waaronder rechter Jacob Robert
Wit. Vanaf 2003 is hij plaatsvervangend rechter voor het Antilliaans Hof
van Justitie en tot eind 2005 is hij rechter in opleiding, maar daarna
wordt hij advocaat. Gedurende die periode leert hij het justitiële
systeem en met name de persoonlijke netwerken steeds beter kennen. Het
is een kleine wereld op Aruba en iedereen kent iedereen. Als het nodig
is weet men elkaar te vinden in de bar of casino.

Zo leert Paul van der Sloot ook politiecommissaris Jan van der Straten
kennen en ze worden dikke vrienden. Mogelijk dat Paul via Jan regelmatig
de kolen uit het vuur haalt voor zoonlief als hij weer eens wat meiden
heeft opgepikt, teveel geld heeft vergokt of iets teveel marihuana heeft
gebruikt. ‘Ons kent ons’ en zoals Joran in de uitzending van Peter R. de
Vries bekende: “Ik ‘heb iets op ze’.”
Al heel snel wordt Jan van der Straten als onderzoeksleider op de zaak
Holloway gezet. Hoofdofficier van Justitie Karin Janssen: “Er is vast
komen te staan dat reeds enkele dagen na de verdwijning de vader met de
jongen spreekt over het gegeven dat er zonder lijk geen zaak zou zijn”.
Minister van Justitie Rudy Croes bevestigt dit vrijwel direct en
stelt ook dat er ‘vele verdachte telefoontjes’ tussen Paul van der Sloot
en Jan van der Straten heen en weer gingen tijdens de beginfase van het
onderzoek. Van der Straten zorgt ervoor dat Paul van der Sloot alle
politie- en FBI-onderzoeken krijgt en blokkeert op geen enkele wijze de
toegang voor Van der Sloot tot de digitale onderzoeksbestanden in de
justitiële computers. Ondertussen adviseert palief zijn zoon om te
zwijgen en niets te zeggen. Op de dag dat het OM een huiszoeking gelast
van de woning van Joran én die van de ouders, doet rechter-vriend
Jacob Wit de deur open en krijgt het voor elkaar om huiszoeking in de
ouderlijke woning te voorkomen, tot stomme verbazing en latere
frustratie van het OM.

De rechter-commissaris (dat is Jacob WIT nu ) die de zaak Holloway behandelt weigert Van der
Sloot nu voor een derde keer te arresteren, terwijl er zoveel nieuw
bewijs ligt. Diezelfde persoon (Jacob Wit)weigerde destijds het gehele huis van
Paul van der Sloot te laten onderzoeken.

[johan555]

 
Hier een cryptische omschrijving :

één Engels en één vernederlandst voorbeeld laten zien wat men zich er bij moet voorstellen. Het Engelse voorbeeld is Linguist and philosopher writing in prison. Je moet om te beginnen weten dat choky een ander woord is voor prison. Vervolgens moet je weten dat het gebruik van in in de opgave meestal niet een echte plaatsaanduiding is, maar dat het gebruikt wordt om aan te geven dat een woord in een ander woord geplaatst moet worden. Dus er moet iets in choky worden geplaatst zodat er een nieuw woord ontstaat. Als crosswordpuzzelaar weet je (na lange tijd) in Engeland ook dat writing vaak wordt afgekort als ms, een afkorting voor manuscript. Stop ms in choky en je krijgt de Amerikaanse linguist en philosopher Noam Chomsky.

Een Nederlandse opgave zou kunnen luiden: Die deftige persoon was in onovertrefbare vorm
oppermachtig. Een deftige persoon is een heer. Iemand die in onovertrefbare vorm is, is de beste. Het in geeft aan dat heer in het woord beste moet worden geplaatst. Dat wordt dus: beheerste. Een semantisch houvast wordt gegeven door de omschrijving was oppermachtig. Voor Nederlandse cryptogrammenoplossers is duidelijk dat beide voorbeelden niet naadloos passen in de Nederlandse cryptocultuur. Bijvoorbeeld, het door elkaar halen van taal en metataal heeft in Engeland een zo veel prominentere plaats ingenomen dan in Nederland dat het Engelse crossword nauwelijks te vergelijken valt met het Nederlandse cryptogram.

Maakt Anita vd Sloot niet graag cryptogrammen ?

[johan555]

moord cryptogram



lees hier verder :
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/handwritten_rea.html

dutch: http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015185.php

[johan555]

Dit bericht stond gisteren op dat nwo blogje
Het is een onbetouwbaar blog ,dus het zal wel weer ene fake bericht zijn .

ricardo Says:

april 15th, 2008 at 23:52
Dit gaat niet lukken jongens. Volgens betrouwbare bron hoor ik dat J. donderdag aanstaande naar Aruba moet komen. Dan zal alles aan het licht komen, het OM is inderdaad erg druk geweest de laatste tijd, en…met resultaat!

[johan555]

dit las ik op het forum van amigoe
posted 15. June 2005 01:44 AM
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Een lijk zal aan kunnen spoelen afhankelijk van de stroming en of de vissen honger hebben Mil. Een maand geleden nog in Greatbay gebeurt. Maar mocht zij zijn verdronken dan ontsiert het de jongens dat ze niet per direct 911 hebben gebeld om hulp te vragen. Zoontje van een rechter en kinderen van een juwelier hebben toch wel een mobieltje?

weet iemand daar iets over ?

[johan555]

17. June 2005 03:44 PM   
 
Het Holloway verhaal gaat vermoedelijk nog een flink aantal staartjes krijgen.

Hoe is het in godsnaam mogelijk om aan mensen (die meedoen om in hetveld opsporing te doen) een gratis T-shirt te verstrekken van de politieke partij MEP om er een politiek slaatje te slaan uit de affaire.

Waarom zoveel officiële woordvoerders die elkaar tegenspreken:

Chief government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg;
Attorney General Caren Janssen;
Attorney general spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezan;
Aruban Police Commander Jan van der Straaten;
Aruban Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia;
Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig;
Night watch commander Rudie Soemers;
Police commander Trudy Hassell;
Tourism Minister Edison Briesen;
Nelson Oduber;
Justitieminister Croes en zo nog velen.

Wat te denken van de miscommunicaties door de officiële woordvoerders
en om Van der Straaten enkele dagen het woordvoerderschap te ontnemen
enkel en alleen omdat hij sprak van drie Arubaanse mannen terwijl
volgens de minister van justitie hij had moeten zeggen 2 mannen van
Surinaamse afkomst en een van Nederlandse afkomst. Moest de minister
van justitie nog een appeltje schillen?
Wat een joke om een woordvoerder hierom zijn woordvoerderschap te
ontnemen terwijl de man prakties gelijk heeft. Als op Aruba naar
officiële maatstaven gemeten meer dan 25 % van de bevolking autochtoon
is, zal het veel zijn.

En wat te denken welke gevolgen zo'n rancuneuze beslissing op het
politieapparaat heeft, en mogelijk op het onderzoek.

In de pers komen dan bijvoorbeeld de volgende resultaten:
Janssen denied that Aruban officials had blocked FBI divers from
searching coastal waters. In fact, she said, FBI divers had not yet
even attempted to make any dives. "They are here to study the situation
in case it is necessary to dive and send for the necessary equipment,"
she told The AP late Thursday. She said their presence on the island
was "purely for orientation" and that "nobody has been sent back."
Those statements contradicted comments from Aruban Police spokesman
Edwin Comenencia, who had said earlier that FBI divers had conducted
searches, but suspended them on Wednesday because they had covered the
area they set out to. Asked about the situation on Thursday, Comenencia
would only say, "We are working together."
En
In an important reversal, officials also said the two arrested men
have not been charged as had been announced previously. The attorney
general's spokeswoman, Vivian Van Der Biezan, said authorities
initially misspoke while trying to explain the situation to foreign
reporters in English, a second language in this Dutch territory
En
Reports conflicted Saturday in developments of the Alabama honor
student who has been missing in Aruba for almost two weeks.
Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes told FOX News Natalee Holloway,
who was on vacation with friends as a graduation trip when she
disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities know the location
of her body.
However, the mother of the 17-year-old told FOX News authorities had
not yet contacted them with this information. Croes also said that
Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with
investigators looking for the body.
These reports came after significant, yet at times conflicting,
developments with the five suspects being detained in the case.
One of the young men detained admitted "something bad happened" to the
woman after they took her to the beach, a police officer said, while
prosecutors said the investigation was at a crucial point.
But prosecutors refused to comment on the statement by Deputy Police
Commissioner Gerold Dompig , who told The Associated Press that the man
who made that admission was leading police to the scene. He refused to
identify which of the three young men who took Holloway to a northern
beach the night she went missing made the statement.
Police refused Saturday morning to say whether they discovered anything
overnight to solve the mystery of what happened to Holloway, who was
last seen in the early hours of May 30.
Referring to Dompig's statement, prosecution spokeswoman Vivian van der
Biezen said Saturday: "We neither confirm nor deny any information
coming from other sources ... [about] alleged statements of suspects in
this case."

Een hype is snel geboren in de U.S. en allerlei speculaties doen al de
ronde. Speculaties die mede ingegeven zijn door het spreken met zoveel
monden. Met dank aan minister Croes.

Wat te denken van de bar Carlos' n Charlie's om een jongen van 17
jaar ( toegang te verstrekken, na middernacht, terwijl iedereen weet
dat je in de bar door het personeel gepushed wordt om tequila in
noodtempo op te drinken. Tussen de groep Amerikanen zullen ook nog wel
minderjarige meisjes gezeten hebben. Iedere Arubaanse jongen tussen 14
en 54 weet dit en weet ook dat er veel toeristen (meisjes) zijn die het
drinken niet aankunnen en een gemakkelijke prooi zijn voor de heren.
Immers de ideale formule voor snel seks is: 3Z
( Zon, Zand en Zuipen)

Carlos' n Charlie's bar/restaurant claimt op haar website dat
iedereen gecontroleerd wordt op zijn of haar minderjarigheid. Dit is
natuurlijk een pertinente leugen, een kind van twaalf kan zo binnen
lopen. Ook de overheid is hier in gebreke omdat ze nimmer controle
acties uitvoeren en ook geen beleid hebben.

En beleid is kijken naar het heden en verleden. Bar/restaurant Carlos'
n Charlie's heeft niet een echt een goede reputatie. Ook in het
verleden waren ze al onderwerp van discussie o.m. met de verdwijning
van het 23-jarige meisje Amy Bradley wiens verdwijning nog steeds niet
opgelost is na 6 jaar, al bestaat er wel een sterk vermoeden dat ze nu
in de prostitutie zit.

Heeft de minister van justitie nooit kunnen bedenken dat in
horecagelegenheden waar klanten echt geprest worden om dronken te
worden, rare zaken kunnen gebeuren?
Bij Carlos' n Charlie's worden klanten door het barpersoneel op de
tafel gezet en moeten drank naar binnen gieten. Het personeel is pas
tevreden als men lallend omvalt en veel tieners kunnen de druk niet
weerstaan van het geroutineerde horecapersoneel en willen niet
"afgaan" bij hun vrienden.
Op dit soort horecazaken moet beleid toegepast worden en dat heeft de
minister van justitie verzuimd. Laat hem niet zeggen dat hij het niet
weet. Een falend beleid dus.

Als ik de juridische adviseur was van de onderhavige familie(s) zou ik
(ongeacht de uitkomst van het politieonderzoek en de oplossing van de
story) nu alvast bewijzen gaan verzamelen in welke mate het meisje en
de minderjarige jongen gedronken hebben, waarbij het verstrekken van
teveel tequila -zeker onder een soort vorm van dwang- voldoende is
om de (mede)aansprakelijkheid van Carlos' n Charlie's en de
overheid (lees: de minister van justitie) vast te stellen.

Teveel drank verschaffen is naar Amerikaanse begrippen ongeveer moord
en zeker op de wijze waarop dit onder psychische dwang gebeurt zoals
bij Carlos' n Charlie's. In de meeste staten moet je zelfs tenminste
21 jaar zijn i.p.v. 18 om alcohol te mogen nuttigen.
Wie gaat straks waar en wat claimen, ook bij de overheid? hetgeen
feitelijk betekent dat de gemeenschap er voor moet opdraaien.

Als het mysterie is opgelost zullen, ongeacht de uitkomst, de
bovenstaande zaken breed uitgemeten worden en niet ten gunste van
Aruba. Verschaffing van alcohol aan minderjarigen, oogluikend
toegestaan door justitie wordt vast en zeker een item, en terecht.

Politieke partijen zullen nu alvast moeten anticiperen op bovenstaande
bedenkingen. Ik denk dat de minister van Justitie die zo graag overal
zijn handtekening zet (om homo's te discrimineren ) zijn handtekening
had moeten zetten onder een duidelijke controle op het alcohol beleid.
Laat straks niet Aruba de dupe worden met minder toerisme en een hoge
claim bij de overheid die uiteindelijk de bevolking moet betalen omdat
de minister van justitie gefaald heeft.

Maar meer nog hopen (waarschijnlijk tegen beter weten in) op een goede
afloop dat het mysterie opgelost mag worden met een levend en gezonde
Natalee Holoway


bron amigoe