Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English

[briany]

Wat zou de reden zijn dat Pa vander Sloot zijn zoon dekt?

Is dat normaal voor een vader (en zelfs moeder om dit te doen?)

Onbegrijpelijk toch.

Vader tegelijkertijd met Natalee in het casino?
Woning van VanderSloot mocht niet worden doorzocht.

Wie moest Joran beschermen?

Zijn vader toch niet hoop ik?

[briany]

Waarom dekken Vander Straaten en King het woning van VanderSloot?

Is toch niet normaal dat er speciaal iemand komt logeren om huiszoeking te beperken?

Zijn de beschermers van Paulus chantabel?

Of hebben ze er zelf iets mee te maken?

[johan555]

dit las ik op een blogger van aruba
15 juni 2005
House Search
A house search warrant has been issued for one of the suspects, Joran van der Sloot.
It was visible that the officials went in action early this afternoon and until now they have confiscated the parent's two cars.

Waarom nemen ze de beide auto's in beslag en doorzoeken ze  niet het huis ?

en :

Abraham Jones stated that he was locked up in the cel next to Joran van der Sloot(17-year-old) who also became an suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway last Thursday.
And Mickey John stated that he was encarcerated in the cel next to the suspect Deepak Kalpoe, who was detained on the same day as his brother, another suspect, Satish Kalpoe.
The Arubian community wonders if the imprisonment of suspects in the same cellblock is another so called 'police tactic'

waarom sluiten ze de gevangenen naast elkaar op ?

en :
News that’s currently circulating our island of Aruba.

Blood has been found in the silver Honda Civic impounded Thursday by officials,  this car is supposedly owned by the suspect detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway,  Joran van der Sloot.
.
The biological parents of  Natalee Holloway had supposedly taken blood tests yesterday, to confirm if the blood found in the car is indeed from Natalee.
The results are known.
Hopefully this will be revealed in the press conference of this morning at 10 AM.

wat is er waar en niet waar over dat Bloed ?

en :
Okay,
Natalee has been spotted at Carlos ‘n Charlie’s the night that she disappeared, true.
Her own friends and some witnesses considered her as drunk. But Carlos ‘n Charlies is a nightclub, to be exact even the most popular one the island! And yes they sell alcohol as well. As any nightclub would nevertheless they didn’t force her to drink that night or any night for that matter, it’s a consensual decision she made herself.

And that there is drugs provided outside the Carlos ‘n Charlie’s might also be true, I have heard a lot of stories like this one before and it doesn’t seem impossible, I myself did not notice anyone selling drugs out side when I attended this specific nightclub, but on the other hand my cousin was offered drugs in this particular street, where Carlos ‘n Charlie’s is located.
But why blame Carlos ‘n Charlie’s owner(s) for drugs being sold in front of their nightclub? And for a girl that made the mistake of drinking that night?
I am not going to speculate on what really happened to Natalee Holloway, to my knowledge no one knows what happened to Natalee after she left Carlos ‘n Charlie’s on that faithful night. Everyone has a choice in life, Natalee chose to be at Carlos ‘n Charlies on the night of May 29th.

[johan555]

Cell Phone :

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning .

[johan555]

Caren Janssen

Aruba's attorney general, Caren Janssen, will not publically reveal what, if anything, investigators found in the search of the home.

Asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the house, the attorney general said, "You can't just go in there like a cowboy."

She said officials need to "build up an investigation" first.

Officers carried two garbage bags filled with items out of the house. They also towed away two vehicles.

[briany]

Johan555,

Denk je niet dat als er bloed in de auto van de Kalpoe was gevonden, ze die broertjes niet hadden vastgezet?

Joran heeft tot ook al een paar keer geprobeerd de broertjes de schuld te geven.

Enig idee waarom er geen bloed is gevonden?

Omdat er geen bloed is gevonden misschien? Ze kunnen moeilijk met nepbloed bij een forensisch instituut komen aanzetten.

Geruchten verspreiden en daardoor de suggestie richting de broertjes te laten blijven bestaan  om zodoende de aandacht van de werkelijke daders weg te leiden is echt niet zo moeilijk hoor!

Het is toch onbegrijpelijk dat Joran blijft zwijgen?
Het is toch onbegrijpelijk dat Pa en Ma vanderSloot via slinkse wegen beschuldigingen richting Natalee uiten?

Ik kan maar een reden bedenken.

[johan555]

VAN DER SLOOT:

We are parents that know our kids. We try to educate them well . We try to care for them, warn them, and it's devastating that these things happen.

[johan555]

BY MICHAEL ROTHFELD STAFF CORRESPONDENT, This story was supplemented with wire service reports.

June 16, 2005

NOORD, Aruba -- The moment the woman at the counter heard Natalee Holloway's name yesterday, she could not contain herself.

"I want them to finish it fast, and solve the problem," Rosita Dinzey, 40, said as she rented cars to visitors at the airport. "It has us locals upset, and it's not an Aruban who did it."

For nearly three weeks, locals and foreigners on this small Caribbean island have been obsessed with the disappearance of the 18-year-old Alabama student, spending hours speculating about her fate. Some have tired of it.

Holloway went missing in the early morning of May 30, hours before she was to meet 124 other new high school graduates from Mountain Brook, Ala., to fly home after a five-day trip. No one has been charged with a crime. Yesterday, authorities intensified their focus on one of three young men last seen with Holloway as they left an island disco: Joran van der Sloot, 17, the son of a Dutch justice ministry official living in Aruba.

His companions have told authorities he and Holloway kissed in his car on a beach at the northern end of the island that night, and one of them said the pair later went to another beach, near a Marriott Hotel. Investigators turned up nothing during a search there Tuesday.

Van der Sloot's father, Paul, asked the court yesterday for permission to see his son, who was taken into custody last week with Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers' lawyers asked to see evidence against their clients. A judicial spokesman said there would be a ruling late this week.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg told CNBC yesterday that investigators were making progress. Workers on this island 20 miles from Venezuela, meanwhile, listen for news on the radio. And tourists continue to arrive. As three teenage girls exited their plane from the United States, a flight attendant smiled at them. "Be safe, girls," she said.

Not everyone is entranced by the case. Newlyweds Derrick and Debby Neville of Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn were more interested in kite-surfing ads as they began a five-day stay. "It's unfortunate that this is going on where you're going, but we're going to enjoy the vacation," said Derrick Neville, 45.

About noon, investigators descended on the van der Sloots' cottage in the Montaña neighborhood 10 minutes inland from the beachfront Holiday Inn where Holloway had stayed.

Local forensics investigators, FBI agents, the Aruban police chief and the prosecutor on the case came and went in the humidity, towing two cars and carrying off several plastic bags.

Magdala Roza, 19, who spent hours watching from her aunt's home across the street, pointed to a school down the street that she attended with the young van der Sloot until they were about 10. He is now an honors student at an international school in Aruba. "Our neighborhood is so still, we didn't think this could happen," said her cousin Juraima Jacobs, 22.

A man next door to the van der Sloots said he had lived there since van der Sloot was a boy but seldom had dealings with the family. "Always, they get in their car and go," said the 57-year-old teacher who did not want to give his name. "Maybe because he's a judge or something, he has a higher status."

The meandering path of the investigation has frustrated both those close to Holloway and the people of Aruba, who fear its reputation as a friendly tourist destination has been dragged down by images of foul play. That frustration was compounded by the authorities' decision to detain two security guards for a week based on a story reportedly put forward by van der Sloot and his companions that when they dropped Holloway at her hotel, she was approached by a guard. A surveillance video did not show her return, and the guards were released Monday.

"Why are you going to take two black guys who have nothing to do with it and keep them incarcerated?" Dinzey said, despite the guards' release. "I think they should pressure these three boys."

Hebben ze deze 2 vastgezet  om de fam vd Sloot tijd te geven om de sporen te wissen ?

[GBMW]

Cell Phone :

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning .

Is dit oud of nieuw?

06:30 uur? Klopt dit? Dan ben ik wel heeel benieuwd van wie die telefoon was......denk van Joran...

[sharon]

Cell Phone :

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning .

Is dit oud of nieuw?

06:30 uur? Klopt dit? Dan ben ik wel heeel benieuwd van wie die telefoon was......denk van Joran...

It is old news, or old rumor, GBMW.

I no longer remember which one.

I think Steve Croes lives in that area. And there was much other speculation, if I remember correctly.

[GBMW]

Cell Phone :

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning .

Is dit oud of nieuw?

06:30 uur? Klopt dit? Dan ben ik wel heeel benieuwd van wie die telefoon was......denk van Joran...

It is old news, or old rumor, GBMW.

I no longer remember which one.

I think Steve Croes lives in that area. And there was much other speculation, if I remember correctly.

Thanks Sharon!

[johan555]

Is het nou een rumor of geen rumor ?
Kan je overal wel over zeggen 

[sharon]

I am not sure if you have seen the very early days of reporting of this story by Scared Monkeys -- please accept apologies if you have already read. I beleive this is the first report.

If you have not read the reports from the beginning, I can provide you with some more of the links


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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/02/this-cant-be-good-for-tourism/

This Can’t Be Good For Tourism, Where’s Natalee Holloway
For an Island paradise that prides itself on sandy beaches and a constant trade wind, the last thing they would want is bad publicity of an unsafe island. However, An Alabama high school student, Natalee Holloway, disappeared during her graduation trip to Aruba.

Natalee Holloway, 18, was among 125 graduating seniors from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, on a five-day trip to the Caribbean island.

She was last seen getting into a vehicle and leaving a nightclub in the capital, Oranjestad, before dawn on Monday, deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said. She did not show up for her group’s return flight later in the day.

“We went to check in for our airplane, and she wasn’t there, and she’s been missing since then,” classmate Jay Weinacker said.

Having lived and worked there, people really need to understand that island’s like Aruba have their fair share of crime as well. Once you are away from the hotels and in Oranjestad it is no different than any other city in the US. Sometimes even worse.

Aruba police said Wednesday that they had questioned and released three local men who said they dropped the teenager off at her hotel late Sunday night. Officials said the girl’s parents were unable to spot her on a hotel surveillance tape.

June 2nd, 2005 at 12:37pm Posted by Red | Bizarre, Natalee Holloway | 6 comments


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I just wanted to send my deepest hope that she is safe. I am from montgomery alabama and too have traveled to many places. I will continue to pray for her safe return! Come Home Natalee!

Comment by Jennifer | June 3, 2005, 9:24 am

[…] e family promised to reward anyone who brings her safely to a police station or hospital. As posted yesterday crime does occur on these islands and in many cases they go unreported. The last thing t […]

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I,too, have been praying for Natalee. I live in Montgomery, and being an Alabamian, it seems to hit home. One of us, missing. My thoughts and prayers are with the family and I hope and pray that she returns home safely. May those who may be involved with her diappearance, if any, be punished to the fullest. Come home safely Natalee!!!

Comment by Sarah | June 8, 2005, 3:02 pm

Here it is, day 26, and no sign of Natalee  I’m from Alabama also, and can’t understand why on earth Natalee’s disappeared without a trace. Aruba has a lot to lose, and hopefully will due to their mishandling of the tragic events. The world knows the Aruban and Dutch governments are covering up for the Van der Sloots!! Sad, sad, truly sad 

Comment by Susan | June 25, 2005, 6:06 am

I have traveled to many islands. While on vacation although we should be cautious no one assumes that one event or act will result in dier consequences. I live in Maryland but I feel for her. Looking back at my vacation in the Bahamas, that could of been me. So I am miles away but it really hits home. In addition, I just want to spotlight the coverage in the US. This has nothing to do with Natalee but the US media is terrible. If this same incident would of occured to an African-American we would not see as much coverage. It hurts my hurt to see such a tragedy in Aruba and in the US.

Comment by Tamika | July 20, 2005, 5:11 pm

[…] We had warned from the outset when Natalee Holloway went missing that this would not be good for tourism. The manner in how Aruba conducted the investigation only added to their demise. The perception of safety and a tourist island doing the right thing is in the eye of the beholder, not a spin or marketing campaign.  As others in the Caribbean have seen increases, Aruba continues on the downward spiral. The 4th quarter of 2005 saw a 7.4% decrease in passengers to the Queen Beatrix Airport. The Central Bank of Aruba also reported a 14.7% decrease in airport passengers in the 1st quarter of 2006.   […]

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[briany]

Ene Steve was dus naar een van de Kalpoe broertjes gegaan om te vertellen dat hij ze had gezien toen de Natalee oppikten bij C&C maar ook dat hij had gezien dat Natalee werd afgezet bij het Holiday Inn.

Dit is wel heel, heel erg toevallig.

Natalee blijkt later dus niet bij het HI te zijn afgezet. Het is interessant te weten waarom Steve naar de Kalpoe broertjes was gegaan om ze dit te vertellen. Met welk belang?

Is de achternaam van de Steve die aan de broertjes had verteld dat hij had gezien dat Natalee werd opgepikt bij C&C en afgezet bij het HI, Croes?

Is deze Steve Croes de zoon van Rudy Croes?

[sharon]

Ene Steve was dus naar een van de Kalpoe broertjes gegaan om te vertellen dat hij ze had gezien toen de Natalee oppikten bij C&C maar ook dat hij had gezien dat Natalee werd afgezet bij het Holiday Inn.

Dit is wel heel, heel erg toevallig.

Natalee blijkt later dus niet bij het HI te zijn afgezet. Het is interessant te weten waarom Steve naar de Kalpoe broertjes was gegaan om ze dit te vertellen. Met welk belang?

Is de achternaam van de Steve die aan de broertjes had verteld dat hij had gezien dat Natalee werd opgepikt bij C&C en afgezet bij het HI, Croes?

Is deze Steve Croes de zoon van Rudy Croes?

Steve Croes is one of the most interesting characters in this case, in my opinion.

He validates a lie 'I saw them drop her off -- I saw her fall'.  AFTER we all know that it is a lie since the camera does not show this.

Deepak insinuates that the alibi is all a 'set up' via the "I hit the jackpot" conversation on the phone with Joran.

In the statements -- Deepak and/or Satish indicate that Steve is AT Carlos & Charlie's that night -- instead of at work. And that Steve will get in trouble with his boss over that fact.

Steve is incarcerated during the same time that Paulus is. I speculate that Paulus was in prison as a favor so that he could speak directly with Joran and keep him up to date on the 'disposal' and lies. Steve plays into this -- in my opinion.

Steve and Paulus are also released at the same time.

Steve loses his job on the tatoo -- and becomes the DJ at Carlos and Charlies.

Steve CROES is not related to 'Rudy' Croes so far as we have been able to find.

Steve Croes IS related to Solognier -- he is his nephew, I believe. Solognier is/was ALE.

They are ALL involved. They all know pieces of the truth. Deepak. Satish. Steve.

Yet they continue to keep it secret. Keep it hidden from the mother and the loved ones of Natalee.

I hope they burn in hell. But that would be too good for them.

[briany]

This was the story when it appeared Natalee was not dropped at the Holiday Inn.
They were in prison, and I guess that they were not in the luxurious position to make-up another  story.

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Satish 11 juni 2005

Joran then said to my brother that he should drive to the Holiday Inn hotel to drop off the girl. My brother then drove in the direction of the Holiday Inn hotel. To your question whether the girl had said something after she had woken up, I have to tell you that I did not pay attention. On the way to the Holiday Inn Hotel, Joran told my brother to turn right at some point. At Joran's request my brother turned right and drove into the street just north of the Marriot Hotel. My brother continued driving up the street until Joran said that he should stop the car. My brother then brought the car to a full stop. My brother asked Joran how he was going to get home. Joran answered that he would find a way to get home. My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours on May 30th 2005. The girl and Joran then got out of the car. Joran and the girl walked towards the beach. Joran and the girl had put their arms around each other while they walked. To your question whether the girl had been drunk and how the girl was walking, I can say the following. The girl was at that time well with it and was walking fine too. After we had driven out of this street I asked my brother to slow down and I threw the "Yard" cup out of the car on the right side of the road. After that we drove towards our house. To your question as to what direction we took when we drove home I answer you the following. I cannot remember for sure, but I think we took the road through Tanki Leendert to get home.

Deepak 11 juni 2005

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After that I drove down the road towards Arashi. Having arrived on the Smith Boulevard, on the section of road that has no street lights, I asked Joran if I should head back to town. Joran said no, no, let me out here. That was in the vicinity of the "Marriot Hotel". I asked, where is here. He said here. I turned into a side street. To your question as to what kind of a road it was, I can say the following. I am not sure if it was a dirt road or a paved road. I am willing to show you where the street is that I just mentioned.

To your question as to how far I drove into the afore mentioned street, I can say the following, I think I drove about 55 yards into that street. Joran said that I could leave him there. After that I brought my car to a full stop. Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I then asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the "Holiday Inn Hotel", we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, are you sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking away hand in hand. I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and then drove towards my house. I do remember that in front of the "Marriot Hotel" Satish asked me to stop for a minute. I did what he asked me, Satish rolled down his window and threw out the two "Yards". After that we drove until we got to the roundabout near "Texaco Sasakr". At the roundabout I headed due east towards my house at Hooiberg.

To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following. We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.

@ Sharon,

Can you explain how it is possible that the brothers, after it appeared that Natalee was not dropped off at the Holiday Inn,  seperated from eachother  both told the same story? The story that Joran told Deepak to drop Natalee off in a certain street?

If you read the statements you can also read that the brothers were very surprised that Steve told Deepak he saw him pickup Natalee at C&C AND dropping Natalee at the Holiday Inn.
How is this possible? Did Steve follow them? Wat Steve coincidental on both places at the same time Kalpoes car was?


I do not understand this, but maybe you can explain by referring to official statements.

So Steve told Deepak he did not go to work? Do you know whether this is verified?

[sharon]

@ Sharon,

Can you explain how it is possible that the brothers, after it appeared that Natalee was not dropped off at the Holiday Inn,  seperated from eachother  both told the same story? The story that Joran told Deepak to drop Natalee off in a certain street?

If you read the statements you can also read that the brothers were very surprised that Steve told Deepak he saw him pickup Natalee at C&C AND dropping Natalee at the Holiday Inn.
How is this possible? Did Steve follow them? Wat Steve coincidental on both places at the same time Kalpoes car was?


I do not understand this, but maybe you can explain by referring to official statements.

So Steve told Deepak he did not go to work? Do you know whether this is verified?

Hi Briany -- I did not 'save' articles and transcripts from the early days. I would never have thought of it -- it all appeared so simple and solvable. Who would have thought?

So I have a very good memory  but after 3 years of lies and changing stories, I may mess up a detail or 2 

In very early reports, it had already been discussed that Paulus had a 'meeting around the pool' with the boys and possibly the Kalpoe parents -- BEFORE BETH ARRIVED.

IMO -- that is where the 'Holiday Inn' drop off story was decided. That was BEFORE BETH arrived -- so it was before Paulus could find out that the security tapes did not show Natalee returning.

It was in one of the statements that Deepak (or Satish) mentioned that Steve was at C&C -- but the statements werre only made public about a year ago -- so that was a surpise to me. And much of the statements are meaningless, in my opinion, because it is very obvious that they are orchestrated and contrived -- or rewritten -- or missing. But always with a tinge of truth.

briany -- I am not a debater, or a wannabe detective, or hopeful author....I am someone who was unwittingly dragged into this because it broke my heart. it could have been me at that age. it could have been anyone. it could have happened anywhere. justice needs to be served. that is the world order.

I have been following the disappearance since the early days of June 05 -- mainly on this forum and front page. a few other sites. tv. magazines. newspapers. transcripts. dave's book. beth's book. google translator 

I am willing to share my memories -- and sometimes even a link or 2 that I have saved. But not to change anyone's opinion. Just to provide an insight to the very early days -- where in my opinion, a few 'truths' leaked out.

[sharon]

Hi Briany -- more 'early reading'    June 04, 2005. I'm not sure if you have found the blog entries from the early days?  I did not post all the comments -- but if you follow the link you can read them.


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/04/natalee-holloway-update-sat-june-4-part-two/

Natalee Holloway, Update Sat. June 4 Part Two
 

Now Fox News is reporting that 3 Men Are Top Lead in Missing Ala. Woman Case. Like we said yesterday when the did not refer to them as suspects, yeah right.

Police said Saturday that three men have become “the most important lead” in the case of the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba — and vowed that “there will be developments” in the next few days.

Deputy police chief Gerold Dompig said authorities were investigating the background and story of two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands who said they dropped off Natalee Holloway, 18, at the Holiday Inn before dawn Monday.

Dompig declined to call the men suspects, saying they were “persons of interest,” but said the men were “the most important lead.”

From The Las Vegas Sun

Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said Holloway’s disappearance has dismayed an island that prides itself on its safety and friendliness - a haven for the 500,000 American visitors last year.

“Learning the news of Natalee’s disappearance on our island left us all in a state of shock and disbelief,” Oduber said. “We will not tolerate any activities that harm our American friends or tarnishes Aruba’s reputation.”

Authorities say there is no evidence the honors student was abducted, but police commissioner Jan van der Straaten said “after four or five days you are afraid a crime has been committed.”

CBS5

Ten more FBI agents joined an increasingly desperate search Saturday for an Alabama honors high school student, while police investigated the story of three men who said they dropped her off at her hotel the night she vanished on this tranquil Dutch Caribbean island.

Police, Dutch troops and hundreds of volunteers scouring coastline and beaches for six consecutive days have found no trace of Natalee Holloway, 18.

Holloway, a straight-A student who won awards for volunteering, had earned a full scholarship at the University of Alabama and planned to study premed, said her maternal uncle, Paul Reynolds. He described his niece as a levelheaded girl who would not have done anything rash.

“Natalee is the perfect teenager, on the perfect vacation on a perfect island,” he said. “If something terrible can happen to somebody like Natalee where does that leave the rest of us?”

Holloway’s disappearance has shaken a sense of safety many Arubans long took for granted in an island of 72,000 people that saw one murder and six rapes last year. This year, there have been two murders and three rapes, police said.

“We are upset. We have felt so very safe all the time. Now we are afraid,” said Betty Verbal, a 42-year-old waitress and mother of two. “In all churches, Catholic and Protestant, people are praying for her.”

*** UPDATE I ***

CNN: “Police offer theories on teen’s disappearance”

Aruba police have three theories concerning a missing high school student from Alabama, Aruba’s deputy police chief said Saturday, six days after the student disappeared on a senior trip to the island.

The first theory is that “people of interest” — the three men 18-year-old Holloway was last seen with early Monday morning — may have harmed her.

In a joint news conference with the missing student’s mother, deputy police chief Gerald Dompig said the second theory is that Holloway may have chosen to disappear “on her own accord” and that still a third theory is Holloway may have been kidnapped.

Witnesses said she left in a car with three local young men between the ages of 18 and 25 at about 1:30 a.m. Friends have said they have pictures of her dancing with young men at the club.

Authorities have said they talked to the three men who left with her, and the men claim they took Holloway to nearby Arashi Beach before dropping her off at her hotel at about 2 a.m.

Boy these things are really not adding up.

Map of Aruba (map above, click for more details)
Map of Oranjestad (map on right, click for more details)

Carlos’n Charlie’s Aruba
Address: Weststraat 3A

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort
Address: J.E. Irausquin Boulevard
Situated on Palm Beach, this attractive, newly renovated high-rise resort is located about 20 minutes from Oranjestad.

How does one go from Oranjestad to Arashi Beach and then to the Holiday Inn in about a half hour? Is there more than one Holiday Inn on the island with 600 rooms?

*** UPDATE II ***
Video from MSNBC, suspects in custody, persons of interest.



June 4th, 2005 at 08:28pm Posted by Scared Monkeys | General, Natalee Holloway | 30 comments



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It is possible to go from Oranjestad to Arashi Beach and then to the Holiday Inn in a half hour, especially at around 1.30 a.m. but under the circumstances I don’t think it would have been likely. One does not go to Arashi Beach without reason.

Comment by Amy | June 4, 2005, 8:56 pm

Some AP reports said the three men took her to the beach and “had sex with her” before returning her to her hotel. The words in quotes were later removed from the wire story. They may have drugged her (roofies?) and she may not have recovered consciousness. They then would have panicked. Another report says the Dutch kid is the son of a local attorney who is defending all three. This story is also not around anymore. The press has been week in covewring this.

Comment by Tom Holladay | June 4, 2005, 9:18 pm

[briany]

In very early reports, it had already been discussed that Paulus had a 'meeting around the pool' with the boys and possibly the Kalpoe parents -- BEFORE BETH ARRIVED.

Hi Sharon,

Of course what you say is possible. As long as there are no reports or interviews with the people themselves, the rumours can stay considered as rumours. Everybody can play Shango and Simian, even the parents of Joran are able to do so.
The possibility that the Kalpoe brothers are framed, is there.

Maybe the brothers are put under pressure to tell the HI story.
The fact that Steve came over to tell the Kalpoe brother that he saw them is very weird and as the brothers realized: impossible.
It gives me the idea they were put into a position they had no choice.
It is not sensible to believe rumours. As we all know: rumours most of the time are sent with an intention.

Sander tells in a police statement that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were ordinary friends. He tells that the friendship between him and Joran is better than the friendship between Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

The cartranscript did not make any sence to me. But when I wrote it, considering that the Kalpoe brothers did not realize they were recorded and Joran did realize this and "said some things especially for the tape", the cartranscript did made much sence to me

When I continued reading the reports, I started to believe the later version of the Kalpoe brothers. Besides that, in the first versions (the HI versions), the stories of the brothers are completely different about when Natalee felt asleep and all that. That's the reason I believe the HI-story is a made-up story and the "drop off in a street" version, is the real story.

If you read the later versions of the Kalpoe brothers, they are consistent with eachother on the most important points.

Why were the Kalpoe brothers released long before Joran was released?
Weeks later, after the very late "story" of the gardener, the Kalpoe brothers all of the sudden were suspects again.
I think Joran and his father are the source. Joran and his father were always seen as the main suspects.
Why do the Kalpoe's remain silence? I think because they told what happened.

Joran keeps telling all kind of stories. His parents try to get the attention away from them by contacting people as (for the Dutch media) Renee Gielen. What is the reason she does this? Would you do such a thing?

I find this very odd and suspicious.
If you are looking for a cover up, I think there is no planned cover up with the cooperation of the Kalpoe brothers.

Maybe they were pressured into things afterwards, I do not know, but they did not want anything terrible happened to Natalee, I am pretty sure about that.

About this sextape in the car:

If I read the stories, it sounds like a 30 or 50 year old man has a tape of a 14 year old girl. It sounds like pedophilia.
Satish was 18 years old.

Does anybody know the girl was really only 14 years old?

In the interview with Jenssen Joran says there is no need to search on the Island because the Island was search very thoroughly.

Does Joran intents to say that he rather has no search on the Island?


 

[sharon]

In very early reports, it had already been discussed that Paulus had a 'meeting around the pool' with the boys and possibly the Kalpoe parents -- BEFORE BETH ARRIVED.

Hi Sharon,

Of course what you say is possible. As long as there are no reports or interviews with the people themselves, the rumours can stay considered as rumours. Everybody can play Shango and Simian, even the parents of Joran are able to do so.
The possibility that the Kalpoe brothers are framed, is there.

 

Hi briany

There was a reporting that Deepak's car was seen (the license plate written down -- and then it was determined to be Deepak's car) inside the VanderSloot property after Beth arrived on the island, but before Charles Croes and friends were able to tell Beth the location of joran's house.

There is also a statement to that effect -- and the event is referenced in a letter that one of the family's attorney's (DeSouza, I think) sent to Karin Jannsen.

And I do think it is possible that the Kalpoe's were framed -- as a result of their own behavior. Gangsta wannabe.

And I also think it's possible that the Kalpoes drugged Natalee. And raped Natalee. And assisted in the disposal of Natalee. And are critical to the denial of justice for Natalee.

All I know for sure is that Natalee was last seen getting into Deepak's car along with Joran and Satish and has never been seen or heard from again by her family and loved ones.

And amongst a lot of players -- the Kalpoes behaviour is suspicious, cruel, barbaric, mysogynistic, heartless, soulless, inhumane, perverse.....and the list goes on.

Deepak is quoted in the car transcript (and I agree that I think that Joran knew of the taping, but K2 did not) 'my sentence won't get extended because I know too much'.


And to confuse you more -- in the very early days I read a discussion blog on a Caribbean website -- and they were saying that Natalee died while 'ingesting' pure cocaine (to me that meant liquid -- and she probably was not aware of it) that was sold to joran by gilliam vander straaten. that was the first time I heard the name vander straaten. Of course I've heard nothing about this since -- and did not ever think to save the post.

And another story I read was that Natalee passed away during Satish's 'turn'  -- if you get my drift.

The lies and misinformation campaign were so orchestrated and evil and pervasive -- and caught many of us unawares as it did not occur that there would be so much effort to repress the truth -- I don't know that we'll ever know the 'truth'.