Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) DUTCH & English

[Buckeye]

Jan Van der Straaten left the island July 22, 2005 (although some believe he stayed involved). I am not sure of the date of the AMW/Dutch reenactment.  Either factor could have triggered someone that had previously not come forward, to do so.  There could have been earlier tips (the jogger), never followed up or followed up later.  The timing of coming forward does not relate to the truth or accuracy of the information.

[texasmom]

Quotes from Deepak

10 juni 2005

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In the other statements you can read that the brothers, when Joran and Natalee started kissing, they thought this was weird because Joran had a nice girlfriend. The boys sound respectful to girls. I find that a very positive point. They do not talk bad about Natalee in the statements.If I read this statement it would not surprise me that the Kalpoe brothers felt intimidated by the VanderSloots. It sounds like: “you’re in trouble”. Not “Joran is in trouble”.
Why would Pa vdS tell the boys that “they were in trouble” if he really believed they dropped Natalee at the HI?

How did Joran's father knew they were going to be arrested? 

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Briany,
The police chief, Jan van der Straten was a friend of Paulus Vandersloot.  There were reports of many telephone calls between the two in the early days of the disappearance of Natalee. 

This is from Beth Holloway's book Loving Natalee Page 129.

  At the Holiday Inn the nightly meeting in the 007 room with FBI legal attache Doug Shipley is about to get under way.  Doug is an impeccably dressed, very professional man.  Very FBI-ish.  Anxious to hear what he has to say, we also want to tell him what we have learned about the professional relationship between Paulus van der Sloot and police chief van der Straten.  Many people on the island have also told us that there is a personal relationship between the two as well, but we have no way of verifying this information.  A private investigator hired by the family told me that Paulus van der sloot was on an administrative judge's panel in 1996 or 1997.  The investigator said while Paulus was on this panel the police chief worked for him and "had to answer to him." 

[texasmom]

Quotes from Deepak

10 juni 2005

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In the other statements you can read that the brothers, when Joran and Natalee started kissing, they thought this was weird because Joran had a nice girlfriend. The boys sound respectful to girls. I find that a very positive point. They do not talk bad about Natalee in the statements.If I read this statement it would not surprise me that the Kalpoe brothers felt intimidated by the VanderSloots. It sounds like: “you’re in trouble”. Not “Joran is in trouble”.
Why would Pa vdS tell the boys that “they were in trouble” if he really believed they dropped Natalee at the HI?

How did Joran's father knew they were going to be arrested? 

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Sorry about messing up the quote stack, trying to save space, lol.

Briany,
The police chief, Jan van der Straten was a friend of Paulus Vandersloot.  There were reports of many telephone calls between the two in the early days of the disappearance of Natalee. 

This is from Beth Holloway's book Loving Natalee Page 129.

  At the Holiday Inn the nightly meeting in the 007 room with FBI legal attache Doug Shipley is about to get under way.  Doug is an impeccably dressed, very professional man.  Very FBI-ish.  Anxious to hear what he has to say, we also want to tell him what we have learned about the professional relationship between Paulus van der Sloot and police chief van der Straten.  Many people on the island have also told us that there is a personal relationship between the two as well, but we have no way of verifying this information.  A private investigator hired by the family told me that Paulus van der sloot was on an administrative judge's panel in 1996 or 1997.  The investigator said while Paulus was on this panel the police chief worked for him and "had to answer to him." 

[briany]

Quotes from Deepak

10 juni 2005

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In the other statements you can read that the brothers, when Joran and Natalee started kissing, they thought this was weird because Joran had a nice girlfriend. The boys sound respectful to girls. I find that a very positive point. They do not talk bad about Natalee in the statements.If I read this statement it would not surprise me that the Kalpoe brothers felt intimidated by the VanderSloots. It sounds like: “you’re in trouble”. Not “Joran is in trouble”.
Why would Pa vdS tell the boys that “they were in trouble” if he really believed they dropped Natalee at the HI?

How did Joran's father knew they were going to be arrested? 

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Sorry about messing up the quote stack, trying to save space, lol.

Briany,
The police chief, Jan van der Straten was a friend of Paulus Vandersloot.  There were reports of many telephone calls between the two in the early days of the disappearance of Natalee. 

This is from Beth Holloway's book Loving Natalee Page 129.

  At the Holiday Inn the nightly meeting in the 007 room with FBI legal attache Doug Shipley is about to get under way.  Doug is an impeccably dressed, very professional man.  Very FBI-ish.  Anxious to hear what he has to say, we also want to tell him what we have learned about the professional relationship between Paulus van der Sloot and police chief van der Straten.  Many people on the island have also told us that there is a personal relationship between the two as well, but we have no way of verifying this information.  A private investigator hired by the family told me that Paulus van der sloot was on an administrative judge's panel in 1996 or 1997.  The investigator said while Paulus was on this panel the police chief worked for him and "had to answer to him." 

The fact that Paulus was in the casino at the same time Natalee was there which he is trying to deny is weird. There is no reason to deny this.

The fact that Paulus avoided search of his property and managed to arrange that only Jorans place was searched, could be an indication something happened in the house of VdS.

Karin Janssen ordered search of al the properties of VanderSloot and what happened?
Ben King, also a big shot and close friend of Paulus (who staid "coincidentally" at the house of VanderSloot) opened the door and did not let the police in.
Then it was arranged with the help of VanStraaten that the search was limited only to Jorans place.

When I started to read the statements  I thought the brothers dropped Natalee of at Jorans house. Since I wrote more I believe they dropped her off in the street both brothers talk about. I think Natalee and Joran were picked up by someone when the Kalpoes had left.

It is possible that VanderSloot, VanderStraaten and Ben King are into this themselves.
It is also possible that those people are blackmailable which I doubt, because they are good friends of eachother.

Why does Joran not tell what really happened. He would have been out of prison by now but he remains silence.
Do you think he is protecting  the Kalpoe brothers, who he is trying to blame at the same time?
I think Joran is protecting someone else.
 

[Buckeye]

Why does Joran not tell what really happened. He would have been out of prison by now but he remains silence.
Do you think he is protecting  the Kalpoe brothers, who he is trying to blame at the same time?
I think Joran is protecting someone else.

Joran blamed the Kalpoes then Natalee....then encouraged all far fetched scenarios.

Joran may not have been out of prison by now, if he is guilty of manslaughter.  He knows this....and that is why he can't tell the reason that Natalee died.  There is a reason he had to get rid of the body.  He won't tell the truth because he would be back in prison.  The cover up was after the fact. He knows the consequences of his actions and is protecting himself....and probably his mother or father...because they helped. Natalee had a bottle of water, in front of her, in the casino video.  She was standing unaided and dancing at Carlos and Charlies.  If she died that night....it was murder...drugged or beaten....IMO.

[briany]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

[Buckeye]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

The suspicions, even for the security guards, included murder.  What led them to charge "murder"?  The FBI told Beth there was blood in the car. Oduber told them there was blood in the car. Seems the early luminal tests, on the island, were positive. It doesn't take a whole island to destroy or substitute evidence....only one or two dirty cops...especially if one is the head of the investigation. What material was sent for testing and who was in charge of sending it?

[briany]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

The suspicions, even for the security guards, included murder.  What led them to charge "murder"?  The FBI told Beth there was blood in the car. Oduber told them there was blood in the car. Seems the early luminal tests, on the island, were positive. It doesn't take a whole island to destroy or substitute evidence....only one or two dirty cops...especially if one is the head of the investigation. What material was sent for testing and who was in charge of sending it?

As far as I was informed Dompig was in charge of the investigation under supervision of VdStraaten.

Let me get on thing straight first: I have seen a Dutch interview with Joran at Jenssen last year. Joran tries to blame the brothers.
This indicates that Joran and the brothers have no common secret.
He also told that since the confrontation in the car (cartranscript) they never spoke to eachother ever again.
Joran hates the Kalpoe brothers and vice versa.

But, how did the FBI agent knew there was blood found in the car?
Everybody is quit upset about the cleaning of the car (which I do not believe), but suppose they cleaned the car. Then something small could have been found, looking like blood. If they did not clean the car a lot of blood must have been found.
It is possible that this FBI agent told Natalee's mother that there was probably blood found.

The sample was sent to the forensic laboratory and suppose it was indeed blood.

What could be the reason not to arrest the Kalpoe brothers than?

Joran and his father did (propably in cooperation with v.d.Straaten, Dompig and some other friends of Paulus) their utmost to get the Kalpoe brothers in jale for the disappearance of Natalee.

Why would Dompig do something with the blood to set the Kalpoe brothers free?

[briany]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

The suspicions, even for the security guards, included murder.  What led them to charge "murder"? 

Because someone knew?

[sharon]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

The suspicions, even for the security guards, included murder.  What led them to charge "murder"?  The FBI told Beth there was blood in the car. Oduber told them there was blood in the car. Seems the early luminal tests, on the island, were positive. It doesn't take a whole island to destroy or substitute evidence....only one or two dirty cops...especially if one is the head of the investigation. What material was sent for testing and who was in charge of sending it?

Thanks for trying Buckeye 

Your contributions are significant -- and appreciated.

I'm not wasting my time anymore, though    But I must admit -- I was fooled by the tactic (for a minute or 2) 

Doesn't Joran have several 'statements' to the police where he says DEEPAK went back to the beach AND RAPED, MURDERED AND BURIED NATALEE???

Got to LOVE those official 'statements' 

BOYCOTT ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.....IT DOESJUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[briany]

Natalee had a bottle of water, in front of her, in the casino video.  She was standing unaided and dancing at Carlos and Charlies.  If she died that night....it was murder...drugged or beaten....IMO.

Deepak 11 juni

To your question how Natalee was that night in "Carlos & Charlies", I can say the following. She danced beautifully, I had lied in my previous statement about her being unsteady on her feet when she stepped off the stage. That was beside the truth. She had a steady walk. In my opinion she was reasonably "with it".

I just remembered something. If Joran says that we took him home, then that is not the truth. Because he had sent me a message that said that he when he got home he would get online. You should check my mobile phone to see if the message is still in there.

To your question as to how I think about Joran making statements against me and my brother, I can say the following. I think he that he did this to blame the whole thing on us.

[johan555]

Was Paul vd Sloot in McDonald"s ?

Here are the "family member's" posts from Riehl:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious

[Observer]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

Your losing it Briany and it appears you are suffering from information overload..lol! Or are the facts just not fitting in with your agenda? It was reported by Oduber on TV and told to the Family by the FBI and several ALE that there was definetly blood in that car and trunk. Just a day earlier they announced to the world Natalee was confirmed dead,one of the suspects confessed something bad happened and they were leading them to her body. All rumors? Unbelievable mistakes made by Paul's friends?

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Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.

GRACE: What happened?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.

Natalee Holloway: ... BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR. ... of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. ...ABC NEWS


The next day, June 10, 2005, DNA samples were taken from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway in Aruba. June 10, 2005 brought us another important occurrence in this case – a confession was made by one of the suspects arrested the previous day.

FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

[Blonde]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

In regard to blood in the car, even Oduber said it was definately blood:

Aruba by Dave Holloway: pg. 180

(Art Woods and Dave Holloway were meeting with Amalin Flanegan, a prosecutor who had resigned from Natalee's case, to determine why she had resigned.)

"We explained how we were first told that there was blood in Deepak's car. Then there was no blood in the car. The seat had been cut out of the car, and it tested positive for blood. Then, it supposedly tested positive for choclate syrup and cleaning fluid. But, the prime minister had said that it was definately blood, and a police officer that Art talked to said it tested positive for blood."

[briany]

There was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers.

The forensic laboratory told is was chocolate. The forensic laboratory could not tell is was chocolate.
The forensic laboratory was eighter wrong by telling it was chocolate or they were in the complot too.

There were rumours that there was blood in the car of the Kalpoe brothers so it defenitely was blood.

Everybody who tells it was not blood, is wrong or mistaken. 

Natalee went to the beach and not to the house of VanderSloot.

The whole Island is involved.

Your losing it Briany and it appears you are suffering from information overload..lol! Or are the facts just not fitting in with your agenda? It was reported by Oduber on TV and told to the Family by the FBI and several ALE that there was definetly blood in that car and trunk. Just a day earlier they announced to the world Natalee was confirmed dead,one of the suspects confessed something bad happened and they were leading them to her body. All rumors? Unbelievable mistakes made by Paul's friends?

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Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.

GRACE: What happened?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.

Natalee Holloway: ... BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR. ... of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. ...ABC NEWS


The next day, June 10, 2005, DNA samples were taken from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway in Aruba. June 10, 2005 brought us another important occurrence in this case – a confession was made by one of the suspects arrested the previous day.

FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

@ *******,

I find it very strange that you talk to me about agenda's. I am probably one of the few with no agenda or interest here.

Are you going to tell me this thim that there was blood in the car found, it was in the papers, the spokesman and the Aruban Prime Minister told there was A LOT OF BLOOD found in the car, and nobody did something with it?

So this time it is A LOT OF BLOOD?

I remember there were so many suspects who told the car was cleaned in the middle of the night?

So they CLEANED the car AND there was A LOT of  blood IN THE CAR at the same time?

[briany]

Wat did the forensic institute says it was:

chocolate?

or cleening fluid?

or both?

[briany]

Was the blood sent to Holland?

Or to the US?

or Both?

What a crap.

[johan555]

WHY would the Kalpoe's lie to the police and risk being a target themselves?

[sharon]

WHY would the Kalpoe's lie to the police and risk being a target themselves?

 

THAT johan555, is the MILLION DOLLAR question   

The 'truth' would have set them free a long time ago. Apparently not.......

[johan555]

WHY would the Kalpoe's lie to the police and risk being a target themselves?

 

THAT johan555, is the MILLION DOLLAR question   

The 'truth' would have set them free a long time ago. Apparently not.......

 if the sloots offered them money?