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« on: March 05, 2008, 02:11:13 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 02:19:33 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 02:45:37 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 02:56:17 PM »

Hi Monkey's,
  I was just wondering something.Does the ship seen on the Aru-bay video and the picture of this helicopter have anything at all in common?

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 03:01:50 PM »

I had one other comment/question I wanted to post on the way out the door to do errands but wanted monkey thought on this.

I do so wish that Patrick had asked Joran why he threw away his shoes.  Here you have someone walking home on a rock scrabble island full of cacti in the DARK no less so what does he do?  He removes his shoes and tosses them into some drainage area.

What could have been so urgent he could not even finish his walk home in those shoes?  Now Joran is back in denial mode and will say he left them on the beach again but I so wish Patrick had asked him why he threw them away before he reverted back to his I am a tremendous liar mode.

What could have been on those shoes that required him to toss them?  He didn't say he lost them in the surf or muck but that on the way home, he purposely removed them.

Wet shoes dry, I know from experience especially tennis shoes even leather ones.  Vomit?  Could say Natalee threw up on him, poor Joran.  Vomit with GHB?  He could say he had not idea she had given herself such a drug.

Blood is the only thing I can think of that would be so bad he would not want to even finish walking home wearing those shoes.  Blood and Natalee's blood is the only one thing I can come up with that would require the immediate removal of the shoes, fear of being seen or caught with that on them and must have been showing for him to be desperate enough to walk home barefoot if that happened.

Even if it never happened and Paulus took him home, it would have been telling to hear his explanation for why he couldn't keep those shoes even long enough to get home in them.

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A lawyer and his son whose hobby is criminal justice/how to get away with crimes would know not to track that around or have the shoes found later.

Just saying again. . . .

Off on errands but no matter what I am doing, my mind always wanders back to what happened to Natalee.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 03:02:28 PM »

Oh I forgot lol,
   Does anyone know if the average Joe would be able to get close enough to the helicopter posted to video tape it? Never been there so wouldn't know.Kept in a hanger?Launch pad? I don't know,do you?Thanks..
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 03:04:23 PM »

We need to get this right:

No matter what Mos says Joran is no longer a suspect.

Joran was released as a suspect in December and can not be watched, listened to, or surveiled.

Until Joran is rearrested under suspision of a crime, he can not legally be a suspect.

Joran can not be rearrested until physical evidence or a verifiable witness can be found.

Joran is free of judicial suspision and is in no way a legal suspect.

Joran has not been charged with a crime and there is not and may never be a trial date.

The only effect on Joran is that he is a "persona non grata"


I dont agree with it but thats how it is, under their system.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 03:07:09 PM »

I had one other comment/question I wanted to post on the way out the door to do errands but wanted monkey thought on this.

I do so wish that Patrick had asked Joran why he threw away his shoes.  Here you have someone walking home on a rock scrabble island full of cacti in the DARK no less so what does he do?  He removes his shoes and tosses them into some drainage area.

What could have been so urgent he could not even finish his walk home in those shoes?  Now Joran is back in denial mode and will say he left them on the beach again but I so wish Patrick had asked him why he threw them away before he reverted back to his I am a tremendous liar mode.

What could have been on those shoes that required him to toss them?  He didn't say he lost them in the surf or muck but that on the way home, he purposely removed them.

Wet shoes dry, I know from experience especially tennis shoes even leather ones.  Vomit?  Could say Natalee threw up on him, poor Joran.  Vomit with GHB?  He could say he had not idea she had given herself such a drug.

Blood is the only thing I can think of that would be so bad he would not want to even finish walking home wearing those shoes.  Blood and Natalee's blood is the only one thing I can come up with that would require the immediate removal of the shoes, fear of being seen or caught with that on them and must have been showing for him to be desperate enough to walk home barefoot if that happened.

Even if it never happened and Paulus took him home, it would have been telling to hear his explanation for why he couldn't keep those shoes even long enough to get home in them.

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A lawyer and his son whose hobby is criminal justice/how to get away with crimes would know not to track that around or have the shoes found later.

Just saying again. . . .

Off on errands but no matter what I am doing, my mind always wanders back to what happened to Natalee.

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yes there are so many things patrick could have asked.

also why joran didn't call ambulance or just dropped her of in front of the emergency entrance at the hospital.
why dump her in the ocean? joran doesn't explain that to patrick.
(of course it is obvious why)

peter r. said that they decided not the stay in contact with patrick while he was driving.
not to make joran suspicous that patrick was spoken to while talking to joran.
remember patrick is not a professional interrogator / spy.
but he did prety good. i still want to see the 20 hours.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 03:11:11 PM »

Thought you monkeys might like to see this:


State of the timeshare industry in Aruba — A call for research Authors: Hahm, Jeeyeon; Lasten, Earney; Upchurch, Randall S; Peterson, Ryan

Source: Journal of Retail and Leisure Property, Volume 6, Number 3, July 2007 , pp. 221-229(9)

Publisher: Palgrave Macmillan
 
Abstract:

This case study is based on secondary data gathered concerning the state of the timeshare industry in Aruba. The major findings of this study indicate that there is a strong and growing consumer interest in timeshare ownership as a viable recreational alternative. This interest suggests that considerable empirical research is needed to understand the factors associated with sustaining the financial and economic impacts of the timeshare industry upon Aruba's economy.Journal of Retail and Leisure Property (2007) 6, 221-229. doi:10.1057/palgrave.rlp.5100066
Document Type: Research article

DOI: 10.1057/palgrave.rlp.5100066



I haven't looked at the source document yet to see what this is all about, but when I can I will. A

 "call for papers" realting to the state of the Aruban timeshare industry.....hmmmm interesting research topic!

 
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 03:12:05 PM »

Yeah, and why would Daury/Daddy say Joran what have YOU done if she just died with no evidence of violence?

Wouldn't Darury/Daddy instead ask what happened?  Not what Joran had DONE?

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 03:13:50 PM »

Well, I am sure not being critical of Patrick, either.  He did a great job and bet we all have questions we wished he had asked for us but under the circumstances, he handled it just right to get the information out of an already paranoid Joran.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 03:15:15 PM »

Well, I am sure not being critical of Patrick, either.  He did a great job and bet we all have questions we wished he had asked for us but under the circumstances, he handled it just right to get the information out of an already paranoid Joran.



I agree, Anna.  Patrick is totally a hero.  I bet he has questions he wished he had asked too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 03:17:03 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 03:22:00 PM »

One of the authors has an interesting website that has a survey about Aruba's parks, oh and low and behold he used to work for guess who????

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 03:27:39 PM »

One of the authors has an interesting website that has a survey about Aruba's parks, oh and low and behold he used to work for guess who????

http://earneylasten.com/


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Aruba Tourism Authority, Oranjestad, Aruba
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Contact info - why are they all tied to Florida?

In United States Home
Earney F. Lasten
8775 Sartori Street #203

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 03:27:50 PM »

I had one other comment/question I wanted to post on the way out the door to do errands but wanted monkey thought on this.

I do so wish that Patrick had asked Joran why he threw away his shoes.  Here you have someone walking home on a rock scrabble island full of cacti in the DARK no less so what does he do?  He removes his shoes and tosses them into some drainage area.

What could have been so urgent he could not even finish his walk home in those shoes?  Now Joran is back in denial mode and will say he left them on the beach again but I so wish Patrick had asked him why he threw them away before he reverted back to his I am a tremendous liar mode.

What could have been on those shoes that required him to toss them?  He didn't say he lost them in the surf or muck but that on the way home, he purposely removed them.

Wet shoes dry, I know from experience especially tennis shoes even leather ones.  Vomit?  Could say Natalee threw up on him, poor Joran.  Vomit with GHB?  He could say he had not idea she had given herself such a drug.

Blood is the only thing I can think of that would be so bad he would not want to even finish walking home wearing those shoes.  Blood and Natalee's blood is the only one thing I can come up with that would require the immediate removal of the shoes, fear of being seen or caught with that on them and must have been showing for him to be desperate enough to walk home barefoot if that happened.

Even if it never happened and Paulus took him home, it would have been telling to hear his explanation for why he couldn't keep those shoes even long enough to get home in them.

.

A lawyer and his son whose hobby is criminal justice/how to get away with crimes would know not to track that around or have the shoes found later.

Just saying again. . . .

Off on errands but no matter what I am doing, my mind always wanders back to what happened to Natalee.

.

What i never could figure out is why he started this story about the shoes in the first place. Leaving his shoes at the beach or dumping them in a sewer or whatever only makes him look suspicious. Why did he not just get ridd of the shoes and simply not mention em to anyone. What's the big deal with these shoes. There is also the size 14 versus size 10 issue. It would have been so much easier just not to mention the shoes. Also if there was blood on his shoes that wouldn t that be on his clothes to? Cant imagine he walked home naked
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 03:28:18 PM »

We need to get this right:

No matter what Mos says Joran is no longer a suspect.

Joran was released as a suspect in December and can not be watched, listened to, or surveiled.

Until Joran is rearrested under suspision of a crime, he can not legally be a suspect.

Joran can not be rearrested until physical evidence or a verifiable witness can be found.

Joran is free of judicial suspision and is in no way a legal suspect.

Joran has not been charged with a crime and there is not and may never be a trial date.

The only effect on Joran is that he is a "persona non grata"


I dont agree with it but thats how it is, under their system.

I also need to add:

The Kalpoes were released as suspects and cleared of all suspision in December

The Police authorities are forbidden from requestioning Joran or his many friends without a judges approval

The investigation can only proceed if new evidence is found, until that time there is no investigation.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 03:28:26 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 03:36:19 PM »

Yeah, and why would Daury/Daddy say Joran what have YOU done if she just died with no evidence of violence?

Wouldn't Darury/Daddy instead ask what happened?  Not what Joran had DONE?

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I also wonder about the shoes and the black eye.

But what would you do if you were somewere and someone got very sick?
Maybe panic and call some one else?
But wat does the person you call normally do than? My friends and family would say: stay were you are, we call an ambulance. I think every normal person would do so.

I don not understand.

Why did this not happen?
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2008, 03:37:47 PM »

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