Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[Rob]

Dayhiker, I *think* one one the posts said he is back in the Netherlands.

This is getting quite ridiculous. Patrick met with Mos last week - did he disclose that info then?

[Dayhiker]

- maybe he meant he knew the case for years (instead of knowing Joran for years)....was familiar with it?
- Patrick probably tried to set up Joran himself and asked / paid a lot of people for help including police?
- the trap thing: there are some dots there also...so probably someone else involved too in that question?
- Patrick seems to know a bit more than he's letting on

This is all a bit weird....this case is  just getting more complicated...hopefully the full tape will be aired tonight and translated soon. And hopefully some reactions by Patrick / Peter R. de Vries in the Dutch media tonight!

GBMW, was delighted at your earlier post that you are looking into the corruption angle. That seems to be where the case is headed, especially if Bram (and Peter) can secure ALL of the case files, at least what hasn't been destroyed by Jannsen, Van der Straten and Jacobs, wink wink.

Complicated is putting it lightly, lol! Thanks for keeping us posted.

[caesu]

main points:

-patrick knew joran for years - they didn't meet in the casino for the first time
-it was patrick plan with the microphones between plants (as in indoor plants) and the micro-camera's. also the tapping of internet and phone connections.
-a lot of parties are involved. the press but also police-officers.
-patrick says there is something strange going on with the other boys (the kalpoe brothers???)
-patrick knows who threy the body in the sea

host asks: how do we know this is not all a trap set up by you and joran?

patrick says: when you come to the netherlands you will see, hahaha



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revu is a tabloid magazine.
and stan de jong who co-wrote this is an enemy of peter r. de vries.
stan de jong also writes on witheet, steve brown also writes there.

but this is quite bad. i am sure peter r. will write something on his site soon.
maybe patrick is also going to say that he lied all this to the aruban tv.

Thanks caesu! To quote an old line, this case just gets "curiouser and curiouser."

very confusing what this al means.

microphones / camera's in between plants??
so that's not in the car because there are not plants of course.
or were they first trying to do the under cover operation in a home or restaurant.

have to keep in mind that this comes from Revu magazine.
this magazine came last week with the article about Patrick's past.

i am also waiting for a reaction from Peter R. about all this.

the actual broadcast on aruba tv is tonight.

[Tater]

Somehow I'm getting a real sinking feeling..

[Dayhiker]

Thanks caesu! To quote an old line, this case just gets "curiouser and curiouser."

very confusing what this al means.

microphones / camera's in between plants??
so that's not in the car because there are not plants of course.
or were they first trying to do the under cover operation in a home or restaurant.

have to keep in mind that this comes from Revu magazine.
this magazine came last week with the article about Patrick's past.

i am also waiting for a reaction from Peter R. about all this.

the actual broadcast on aruba tv is tonight.

Glad I don't have to wait til tonite our time, LOL!

[Rob]

caesu, weren't there cams between some plants with the Poentje interview the other night? After Patrick though the interview was over and the cameras removed the interviewed continued and Patrick was unaware he was video'd?

I have no idea....I'm confused.

[Bladerunner]

main points:

-patrick knew joran for years - they didn't meet in the casino for the first time
-it was patrick plan with the microphones between plants (as in indoor plants) and the micro-camera's. also the tapping of internet and phone connections.
-a lot of parties are involved. the press but also police-officers.
-patrick says there is something strange going on with the other boys (the kalpoe brothers???)
-patrick knows who threy the body in the sea

host asks: how do we know this is not all a trap set up by you and joran?

patrick says: when you come to the netherlands you will see, hahaha



---------------------
revu is a tabloid magazine.
and stan de jong who co-wrote this is an enemy of peter r. de vries.
stan de jong also writes on witheet, steve brown also writes there.

but this is quite bad. i am sure peter r. will write something on his site soon.
maybe patrick is also going to say that he lied all this to the aruban tv.

Thanks caesu! To quote an old line, this case just gets "curiouser and curiouser."

very confusing what this al means.

microphones / camera's in between plants??
so that's not in the car because there are not plants of course.
or were they first trying to do the under cover operation in a home or restaurant.

have to keep in mind that this comes from Revu magazine.
this magazine came last week with the article about Patrick's past.

i am also waiting for a reaction from Peter R. about all this.

the actual broadcast on aruba tv is tonight.

When I read "plants" I was thinking the same thing, does that mean there is other audio/video of conversations between Patrick and Joran in a location other than the car?

[Dayhiker]

Dayhiker, I *think* one one the posts said he is back in the Netherlands.

This is getting quite ridiculous. Patrick met with Mos last week - did he disclose that info then?

Very crazy, much harder to untangle than the case itself. Changes the whole picture if the tapes go much deeper than what we already know. The word bizarre comes to mind.

[Rob]

When I read "plants" I was thinking the same thing, does that mean there is other audio/video of conversations between Patrick and Joran in a location other than the car?

That seems to be what is being said. What else could it imply?

[GBMW]

- maybe he meant he knew the case for years (instead of knowing Joran for years)....was familiar with it?
- Patrick probably tried to set up Joran himself and asked / paid a lot of people for help including police?
- the trap thing: there are some dots there also...so probably someone else involved too in that question?
- Patrick seems to know a bit more than he's letting on

This is all a bit weird....this case is  just getting more complicated...hopefully the full tape will be aired tonight and translated soon. And hopefully some reactions by Patrick / Peter R. de Vries in the Dutch media tonight!

What about the 2,000 euros, what does that mean?

Ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid,” zegt Van der Eem in het Papiaments tegen de Arubaanse interviewer. „Joran vroeg me om 2000 euro om die man te laten zwijgen,”

I know who threw the body into the sea / ocean, says Van der Eem in Papiamento to the interviewer. Joran asked me for 2000 Euros to keep the man silent.

This quote is NOT in the transcript from the Nieuwe Revue so I don't know where it came from....but Patrick is officially quoted so maybe de Telegraaf (where this comes from) has more information.

[Bladerunner]

Or, does that he mean between the plants during the TeleAruba interview??

Who got paid 2,000 euro, seems like a paltry amount to dispose of a body, if that's correct??


HELP!!!!!   SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS MADNESS!!!


 

[JE]

- maybe he meant he knew the case for years (instead of knowing Joran for years)....was familiar with it?
- Patrick probably tried to set up Joran himself and asked / paid a lot of people for help including police?
- the trap thing: there are some dots there also...so probably someone else involved too in that question?
- Patrick seems to know a bit more than he's letting on

This is all a bit weird....this case is  just getting more complicated...hopefully the full tape will be aired tonight and translated soon. And hopefully some reactions by Patrick / Peter R. de Vries in the Dutch media tonight!

What about the 2,000 euros, what does that mean?

the way i understood it: joran asked patrick for 2000 euros to give to the guy who helped him dump the body
Buying silence

[Dayhiker]

When I read "plants" I was thinking the same thing, does that mean there is other audio/video of conversations between Patrick and Joran in a location other than the car?

Was Patrick doing his own investigation/taping of Joran before Peter got involved?

[caesu]

caesu, weren't there cams between some plants with the Poentje interview the other night? After Patrick though the interview was over and the cameras removed the interviewed continued and Patrick was unaware he was video'd?

I have no idea....I'm confused.

no, he was talking about the under cover operation in the netherlands to get joran to confess.

but it is all very very confusing now.
i am sure the next few hours peter r. comes with a reaction.

keep refreshing his site i would suggest.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

the earlier column of peter was also about patrick, debunking last weeks article in Revu.

[Dayhiker]

What about the 2,000 euros, what does that mean?

the way i understood it: joran asked patrick for 2000 euros to give to the guy who helped him dump the body
Buying silence

Greetings JE. Raises the question as to whether Patrick paid the actual dumper or Joran was trying to bilk him.

[Rob]

- maybe he meant he knew the case for years (instead of knowing Joran for years)....was familiar with it?
- Patrick probably tried to set up Joran himself and asked / paid a lot of people for help including police?
- the trap thing: there are some dots there also...so probably someone else involved too in that question?
- Patrick seems to know a bit more than he's letting on

This is all a bit weird....this case is  just getting more complicated...hopefully the full tape will be aired tonight and translated soon. And hopefully some reactions by Patrick / Peter R. de Vries in the Dutch media tonight!

What about the 2,000 euros, what does that mean?

Ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid,” zegt Van der Eem in het Papiaments tegen de Arubaanse interviewer. „Joran vroeg me om 2000 euro om die man te laten zwijgen,”

I know who threw the body into the sea / ocean, says Van der Eem in Papiamento to the interviewer. Joran asked me for 2000 Euros to keep the man silent.

This quote is NOT in the transcript from the Nieuwe Revue so I don't know where it came from....but Patrick is officially quoted so maybe de Telegraaf (where this comes from) has more information.

translation - Joran is shaking Patrick down for 2000 euros. The only motivation the "person" who threw Natalee into the ocean needs to to keep quiet so he doesn't get charged with murder.

After 3 years, I doubt that person is all of a sudden shaking Joran down for 2000 euros. That makes no sense, but Joran never does either....

[Bladerunner]

- maybe he meant he knew the case for years (instead of knowing Joran for years)....was familiar with it?
- Patrick probably tried to set up Joran himself and asked / paid a lot of people for help including police?
- the trap thing: there are some dots there also...so probably someone else involved too in that question?
- Patrick seems to know a bit more than he's letting on

This is all a bit weird....this case is  just getting more complicated...hopefully the full tape will be aired tonight and translated soon. And hopefully some reactions by Patrick / Peter R. de Vries in the Dutch media tonight!

What about the 2,000 euros, what does that mean?

Ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid,” zegt Van der Eem in het Papiaments tegen de Arubaanse interviewer. „Joran vroeg me om 2000 euro om die man te laten zwijgen,”

I know who threw the body into the sea / ocean, says Van der Eem in Papiamento to the interviewer. Joran asked me for 2000 Euros to keep the man silent.

This quote is NOT in the transcript from the Nieuwe Revue so I don't know where it came from....but Patrick is officially quoted so maybe de Telegraaf (where this comes from) has more information.

Ok, that is what I thought but that begs the question how can the person who disposed of the body be in a position to threathen Joran into giving him $2,000?? That person would be turning himself and Joran in if that were the case!

[caesu]

"joran gave patrick 2000 euro.
so patrick wouldn't say the name of the person how dumped her in the ocean.
patrick knows the name of this person."

http://www.nu.nl/news/1467475/10/Van_der_Eem_beweert_Joran_al_jaren_te_kennen.html

[Dayhiker]

Morning Bro, yeppers he better be off the island or he'll end up with his head cut off like the furnace worker. 

He's already off the island.  He was just on the DeVries show yesterday or the day before with Beth.

Pardon my pre-caffiene slowness this morning, haven't reached the Stage 4 Lucid threshhold yet LOL! Yes, makes sense!!!

[Dayhiker]

"joran gave patrick 2000 euro.
so patrick wouldn't say the name of the person how dumped her in the ocean.
patrick knows the name of this person."

http://www.nu.nl/news/1467475/10/Van_der_Eem_beweert_Joran_al_jaren_te_kennen.html

So now it's Joran paying Patrick?