Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[dennisintn]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

to the cops and the press, i thought he meant information that patrick himself was giving.  jmo, and translations of translations are not my forte.
dennisintn

[Rob]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

trust me it is the correct translation
But it could also mean that he is sure in his own mind that he knows who did it it does not necessarily mean he has proof

thanks JE
I trust you are correct. If Patrick has knowledge of what possibly occurred, he needs to explain himself. In my opinion, he has made a statement that he knows something. Now, he needs to explain it to the Authorities.

P.S. I expected someone to say it was a translation problem. We have heard that one before too...lmao

Hotping, right he did give a statement, but he might need to clarify his latest remarks. If Patrick gave a detailed statement to Mos regarding the confession and included information we are not privy to, it would have had to lead to the arrest of Joran and his accomplice. The accomplice has never even been interrogated according to Joran. So, that person, if identified to Mos last week, would have had to give a declaration. I see no arrests, so I can only conclude that Patrick has not told Mos the name of this person. He may need to clarify his earlier statement.

[Observer]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

This guy isn't a idiot though and certainly won't blab everything out in this Aruban interview. His ticket is his book and apparently there is some good stuff on his text messages and other recordings which I believe is how he made up his opinion who he knows dumped Natalee. If he had taped evidence of that I am sure that would be in the hands of the OM. Of course it is still possible Joran told him more that was never on any video,they had a relationship out of that Range Rover as well.

[hotping]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

trust me it is the correct translation
But it could also mean that he is sure in his own mind that he knows who did it it does not necessarily mean he has proof

thanks JE
I trust you are correct. If Patrick has knowledge of what possibly occurred, he needs to explain himself. In my opinion, he has made a statement that he knows something. Now, he needs to explain it to the Authorities.

P.S. I expected someone to say it was a translation problem. We have heard that one before too...lmao

Hotping, right he did give a statement, but he might need to clarify his latest remarks. If Patrick gave a detailed statement to Mos regarding the confession and included information we are not privy to, it would have had to lead to the arrest of Joran and his accomplice. The accomplice has never even been interrogated according to Joran. So, that person, if identified to Mos last week, would have had to give a declaration. I see no arrests, so I can only conclude that Patrick has not told Mos the name of this person. He may need to clarify his earlier statement.

I Agree! But Just Maybe Mos and Staff are trying to locate the person that was named???    MO

[Jo-An]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

to the cops and the press, i thought he meant information that patrick himself was giving.  jmo, and translations of translations are not my forte.
dennisintn

JE translated it correctly.
They are talking about payments.
Patrick says about the payments: "I'll tell you... I give both parties the same, but it's a big group. The press gets something and also the involved police-officers."

[Kiwi]

Considering that Joran van der Sloot just found out he was caught on tape .... why is he not outraged ... why is he upholding Patrick van der Eem and Peter Devries.

Also ... Joran foretells that he will not be touched by authorities ... his lies will be verified ... his lies will save him.

Something is not right ... especially when you consider Joran's anger issues. 

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
Februar



Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

Question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

Question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

Question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all. I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now. I don't know what the OM is thinking. I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

++++++++++++


Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0QWaD27y4

This is the area I'm looking at. At the time of the phone interview Joran was not so sure how much he had said at least for the moment that they asked the question. Maybe he was high during the interview at Grandma's house.

[JE]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

to the cops and the press, i thought he meant information that patrick himself was giving.  jmo, and translations of translations are not my forte.
dennisintn

The way i read it was: interviewer asks which parties were involved where the payments are concerned
Patrick answers:(litteraly) i give both parties the same..... I interpreted this as him saying that both media and police
were receiving money. just my interpretation.

It could also mean him (patrick) giving information to both parties. But since it was an answer to the interviewers question i figured it was about payments.

[caesu]

Here's a theory:

Once this case is solved, Hans Mos will use the victory and the subsequent shift in power/government to make a run for Prime Minister.   

PM of some swampy ditch if he is lucky.

[JE]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

to the cops and the press, i thought he meant information that patrick himself was giving.  jmo, and translations of translations are not my forte.
dennisintn

The way i read it was: interviewer asks which parties were involved where the payments are concerned
Patrick answers:(litteraly) i give both parties the same..... I interpreted this as him saying that both media and police
were receiving money. just my interpretation.

It could also mean him (patrick) giving information to both parties. But since it was an answer to the interviewers question i figured it was about payments.

Also just before the question of who's involved where payments are concerned patrick says
he spends an awfull lot of money(meaning Joran presumably or could that be daddy)
suspicous mode on
daddy paying off police?
suspicious mode off

JMO

[caesu]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

trust me it is the correct translation
But it could also mean that he is sure in his own mind that he knows who did it it does not necessarily mean he has proof

correct translation dutch > english yes
but also correct papiamentu > dutch?? i don't know. peter r. says no.

[Bladerunner]

Thanks JE!

I ll tell you something... there is something strange going on with the story about the other boys
PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean

end of transcript

As we say here in America a cliffhanger  Will this be continued in his book? Most likely if he wants to be a best seller!

they say that the rest will be shown today on tele aruba

i found the payement bit interesting.
Someone paying the media and the cops?

to the cops and the press, i thought he meant information that patrick himself was giving.  jmo, and translations of translations are not my forte.
dennisintn

JE translated it correctly.
They are talking about payments.
Patrick says about the payments: "I'll tell you... I give both parties the same, but it's a big group. The press gets something and also the involved police-officers."

Hopefully, he went into more detail about this on the video we haven't seen/heard. A US and Dutch broadcast of this entire interviewer/off-camera interview needs to happen.

[klaasend]

Posted by Luvslalom at RU - translation of the first 7 minutes of the Telearuba broadcast last week:


There are 2 different You tube translations done from Pap to English with THANKS to Reaver/Aruba.

The last part on which tonights show will be on was a translation from Dutch to English.
According to MF/Aruba the following is 7 min of the broadcast. Not all segments have been translated, as I mentioned above.


PvdE: (inaudible) ...... the Netherlands, he lied everything together, unbelievable

PC: You are telling me that there is too much lying, for it not to be true?

PvdE: see, he doesn't want to tell exactly what he did to the girl, you know, maybe she died of GHB or maybe they gang raped her or something like that must have happened. This girl didn't die of natural causes.

PC: One more time, do you think that you have asked all the questions you would've wanted to ask?

PvdE: see, now afterwards there are some questions you can.....look, the ambulance thing, why didn't he call an ambulance? That's a question that I regret not asking. (..)

PC: But if you get a second chance that is the additional question you will ask?

PvdE: ofcourse, sure! you understand?! to see his reaction on that. Since the beginning he told me about....... we have more than 10 auto rides, 20 something hours on tape I couldn't have cut in...... many times I ask the same questions, sometimes I go harder on him, you know...and he tells me "no way no way, don't you believe me?" then I had to back off a little bit again you understand?.

PC: Are you still in contact with him?

PvdE: No.

PC: Do you want to have contact with him?

PvdE: No, no, why must I have contact with a person like that? See, I want contact with him when he wants me to tell him what to do. He must go to a TBS clinic stay in there for 2 years to find out what is wrong with Joran van der Sloot, because there are many things wrong with this man, many many things, you understand? And ...Good friend? It was never my intention for him to be my friend. See, sometimes, there were times I laugh with him, you understand? But yeah, he's a 20 year old man, not everything Joran does is bad. But yeah, the thing he did, that’s where he went wrong. If the thing happened to me or you, I know what you would've done, you know what I would've done.. Aruba is small everything is close by; I would've call the ambulance immediately. Why not?!

PC: Pactrick van der Eem, is going for fame?

PvdE. That's correct.

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(inaudible)..
PvdE: ……no no no that’s the thing you understand?

PC: But do you see my show any different than all the other persons that talked to you?

PvdE: Yes, no but it good it the first in Aruba.

PC: Will you give me your telephone number and e-mail address and I can contact you and give you the information exactly what time it will begin and which site you can go to watch it.

PvdE: yes sure! My number is 0031………..

PC: wait I’ll write it down…. Look how I called this project…

PvdE: (Zwarte Sloot) Black Ditch.(they laugh): no, out of the (Sloot) ditch, IN the ditch…. 00316107209XX

PC: How minutes do you have Niche? 17? I calculated it good; I calculated 15 minutes good good good. We did talk a lot right?.......(laughter) I want a beer, you want something?

PvdE: no no thank you….209 (beep beep)

PC: you don’t want a juice or anything?

PvdE: No no thank you in a minute I’m going to for a swim with my children

PC: Ah. Ok.. this is your line?

PvdE: yes my line

PC: what is your e-mail address?

PvdE: p(beep beep)@planet.nl, that correct, but, no, see…. The police talked to them and they have a lot of things.. and I have a lot of things

PC: bring a towel for me.. Let me tell you something, I am involucrated in this thing but I never did like this (inaudible) I have information that the police have and never used. I will aired it in this show.

PvdE: what kind of information? About him, Joran?

PC:No, about what also could have happen to Natalee Holloway and nobody bother to use this information. And this will I show this day, information that is..,..how old is this situation 3 years? The information is 2.5 have nearly 3 years old. Not that I want….., I don’t say he didn’t (inaudible) ….until this case is closed every possibility must remain open.

PvdE: what do you think then? It happened at the beach, it happened at home…..

PC: well, yes, but I,… you know what happens? When I talk to you, I feel…. When you talk to somebody his energy goes in you. You lived with this guy…this guy is still in you my brother…

PvdE: NO….

PC: this guy of course! I feel somewhere you are making me doubt you. (beep) when I saw you on the tv I got a feeling I never got before. I saw an incredible acting. This guys had you through, this guy knew you were looking for information out of him, and he was going to give you the information for you to help him with the supposed deal. I didn’t want old facts that you talked about in other shows, I want new facts.. (inaudible, beeping), you know what I mean?

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

PC. That they detained him you mean?

PvdE. No they picked him up one time they put him in jail, I was in the Netherlands

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Dutch to English

PvdE: It was on a Wednesday and we would start with it Monday.

PC: Ah, yes, yes.

PvdE: I had thought of some things myself, from hidden mini-camera's in plants till even an Internet and phone connection that were tapped. But I will tell you something, he spends a lot of money.

PC: Which parties are involved in this?

PvdE:The Press gets something, but also the police officers involved. Look, when a problem of this magnitude happens on Aruba people will get a different view, because all he says is just incredible!

PC: Yes, and it will be repeating itself.

PvdE: Yes, and the whole image of him will be getting worse.

PvdE: Let me tell you something, there is something strange about the story of the other boy.

PvdE: But I know who has dumped her into the sea.

TO BE CONTINUED.

Comment of PC:

Let me first make clear that what you see Patrick smoke is just a normal cigarette. I am not smoking either.

This film that was closed with "to be continues" is because this Thursday the entire movie will be broad casted. It is a movie in which many obscene words will be used.
That was the only way to have Patrick make feel at ease and have him talk "of the record".

But this Thursday, at 21:00 the movie will be broad casted in its entirety on Tele Aruba. But because we are still negotiating with Holland and the United States regarding the broadcasting rights, in which the other side of the medal will be shown, in which mr van der Eem has lured Joran into a car in order to obtain the information, which was just shown.

This Thursday it will be broad casted in a 20 minute during movie what information van der Eem was able to gather from Joran.

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.

[Bladerunner]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.




I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

[Observer]

Also just before the question of who's involved where payments are concerned patrick says
he spends an awfull lot of money(meaning Joran presumably or could that be daddy)
suspicous mode on
daddy paying off police?
suspicious mode off

JMO

That sounds more like it,we saw his comments where he said "And I will make sure that Joran and his entire family in their mouth. They can better emigrate to Africa, "Van der Eem threatening. That was pretty bold so he must have something to back that up.

Also,I have not seen a translation saying he thinks Natalee was gangraped and Joran was trying to make her Death look natural. Again he's no idiot and he knows a 18 year old girl just doesnt go into seizures out of the blue and have her body dumped and everyone lie about it. There has to be much more conversation that we are missing,and what he meant that the other boys acted strange.IMO

[JE]

I think this whole tele aruba thing is just another developement as there have been so many before. They claim there is big news but in the the end it will be another story open to interpretion and speculation by all of us. It may give an insight into the inner workings and motives of Patrick van der Eem but it will not, just like the PRDV tapes lead to a conviction. If it turns out that Patrick had knowledge that could have solved the case but witheld that information for fame or financial gain he should be up there with JVDS in a court room being questioned by Bram Mozcowitzs. I for now want to give him the benefit of the doubt and am willing to believe that the tele aruba reporter is just looking for his 15 minutes of dubious fame. BTW the show airs in aruba in 2 1/2 hours.

[Rob]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.




I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

nice catch Bladerunner.

[Bladerunner]

I think this whole tele aruba thing is just another developement as there have been so many before. They claim there is big news but in the the end it will be another story open to interpretion and speculation by all of us. It may give an insight into the inner workings and motives of Patrick van der Eem but it will not, just like the PRDV tapes lead to a conviction. If it turns out that Patrick had knowledge that could have solved the case but witheld that information for fame or financial gain he should be up there with JVDS in a court room being questioned by Bram Mozcowitzs. I for now want to give him the benefit of the doubt and am willing to believe that the tele aruba reporter is just looking for his 15 minutes of dubious fame. BTW the show airs in aruba in 2 1/2 hours.

If this keeps the attention of the media and general public on this case then whatever this whole things is about is a positive in my opinion. Didn't I read something about negotiating network rights to these videos in the US and Holland?

[JE]

Posted by Luvslalom at RU - translation of the first 7 minutes of the Telearuba broadcast last week:


There are 2 different You tube translations done from Pap to English with THANKS to Reaver/Aruba.

The last part on which tonights show will be on was a translation from Dutch to English.
According to MF/Aruba the following is 7 min of the broadcast. Not all segments have been translated, as I mentioned above.

Klaas the one i translated is from the Nieuwe Revu. They claim to have the video translated by a proffesional translator into dutch.

Since the nieuwe revu's translation contains more text than the one on RU i am inclined to believe that theirs is closer to the truth. a translator would not make up text that is not there

but then i can be wrong LOL

[caesu]

PvdE:But wait, I could have not lived with myself, if I knew him for many years and knowing that he did something like this . .But now I took it off like it was nothing. But this thing had to be this way man. When I heard that he was coming to Arnhem, I thought about it already, see when I meet you I will finish you off, I knew it then. I enter the casino (beep).. there I threw my fishingline, and I held him on a line for 7 months… (beep) the second time they picked him up……

if i read this it is not like Patrick knew Joran for many years.
but it is like when he met Joran at the casino he couldn't have lived with himself (for years) without trying to get Joran to confess.

this could be a better papiamentu translation than the Revu did.

the last part is just the Revu translation with the line the police and press getting money.
and that he knows who dumped her in the sea.

i very much doubt this translation (if Patrick even said it) because Revu had it apparently wrong in the translation about how long Patrick knew Joran.

add to that Peter R. saying they got the translation wrong.
add to that Patrick coming on Jensen's show after knowing the was secretly taped on tele aruba (he must have known that because the broadcast was on sunday).
add to that Stan de Jong co-wrote the Revu article.
Stan de Jong is together with Steve Brown archenemy of Peter R. de Vries.

i conclude the Revu played up a big hoax.

very well done Revu. more misinformation floating around popping up everywhere. 
as if there is not enough of that already.

[Bladerunner]

Finally, a video segment:

PvdE: One day he will fall on his face.
You have no idea what his other relatives are doing. I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter. I have more then 120 sms messages in my possession.

PC: How do we know that this is not a trick between you and Joran?

PvdE: When you come to Holland I will show you something, haha.




I wonder what he means by the last line "I will show you something? And what are his other relatives doing (I think he is implying something illegal perhaps?) 

nice catch Bladerunner.

Again, body language, etc. here would be very helpful, as you could interpret those statement several different ways. Although this one seems pretty clear to me and I am on board with it 100%:


I will make sure that their entire lives become bitter.