Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[Jo-An]

Robert Jensen Show with Beth Holloway - Peter R de Vries - Patrick van der Eem - Bram Moszkowicz

-Beth: Patrick is a great man, a great father, he's my hero
-Patrick talking about how he wanted to frame Joran, that was his only goal
-Patrick says he has a criminal past but changed drastically after he was about 21 years old, he started selling heroin at the age of 15, he's been in jail twice, drugsrelated
-Patrick talking again about meeting Joran for the first time in the Dutch casino and working towards the confession tapes, getting Joran to trust him
-Patrick says Joran told him he didn't respect his parents, didn't listen to them but that's nothing special for a 20-year old

No new info so far.

Beth was just sitting there the hold whole time, Robert and Patrick only spoke Dutch.

*commercial break*

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Thank you, Jo-An. No telephone call from Jensen to the Pimp today? He may be saving that for when Peter is sitting there.

  FRAMING is not a word, I believe Patrick had in mind for Joran.  Tricking him into a confession of truth as to what happened would be what, in my estimation he was doing.  Whoever used the word FRAMING is either using the wrong word or they are trying to FRAME Patrick.     Jack blue

You're probably right! English is not my 1st language and I was listening, translating and typing all at the same time!! 

[mojo]

FRAMING is not a word, I believe Patrick had in mind for Joran.  Tricking him into a confession of truth as to what happened would be what, in my estimation he was doing.  Whoever used the word FRAMING is either using the wrong word or they are trying to FRAME Patrick.     Jack blue

perhaps more like putting him in the frame...gotta be one those translation problems!

[JE]

Early in the case Tito Lacle a reporter said during his interview with Greta that his sources tell him that authorities are looking for a shoe that Joran lost, possibly in the pond area, and that Joran tried to buy another one to match the shoe he lost. Greta commented that it would have been difficult for Joran to walk home the night of Natalee's disappearance with only one shoe

This is exactly what I recall. There have been various reports though. One at RWV stated that the sneaker found in Jorans closet had mud on it. But what I remember is that ALE found one sneaker with a spot of blood on it in Jorans closet. Never did hear anything about DNA testing yhat might have been done.

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Natalee Holloway Update: Missing Shoe
I've been informed that at a press conference today investigators have asked anyone that may have information as regards a sneaker - K-SWISS (White and Blue) size 14 possibly seen or found near the Marriott or the Fisherman's Hut area to please contact the Police.
Earlier reports have suggested that a search at the home of Joran Va der Sloot turned up a shoe which may have been covered with mud, or muck. The shoe had no match. The last bit of information hasn't been independently confirmed.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_91.html


On 12-6 BETH told “FoxNews” that early in the investigation, the family was told by the ARUBAN police investigators that blood was found inside a 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, tennis shoe that is predominantly white with some blue trim that belongs to Principal Suspect J. SLOOT that was taken into evidence (the other 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14 tennis shoe has--according to the ARUBAN police authorities--has never been found). The ARUBAN police investigators told the family that the found blood inside the tennis shoe taken into evidence would be forensically tested, but, to date, BETH said she does not recall for sure if the ARUBAN police investigators have ever reported about the results of any blood tests, nor have the DUTCH nor the ARUBANS even said if the blood tests have ever been completed on the shoe.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

Thanx all for answering my shoe questions this is what i wanted to know:
On 12-6 BETH told “FoxNews” that early in the investigation, the family was told by the ARUBAN police investigators that blood was found inside a 5-29/30-worn “K-Swiss” brand, size 14, tennis shoe that is predominantly white with some blue trim that belongs to Principal Suspect J. SLOOT that was taken into evidence

On jorans june 9th statement he doesnt know if he wore white shoes or creme boots

on june 12th see above beth tells fox about kswiss etc

on june 14th joran states:"I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach"

what's the point of his statement if they found one of the shoes in his home??

  ther's something weird about this shoe story

[JE]

What i never could figure out is why he started this story about the shoes in the first place. Leaving his shoes at the beach or dumping them in a sewer or whatever only makes him look suspicious. Why did he not just get ridd of the shoes and simply not mention em to anyone. What's the big deal with these shoes. There is also the size 14 versus size 10 issue. It would have been so much easier just not to mention the shoes. Also if there was blood on his shoes that wouldn t that be on his clothes to? Cant imagine he walked home naked

There is only one reason I can think of that he'd change shoe size, JE, and that is to frame someone else. I think his shoes had blood/vomit DNA evidence on them and he had to get rid of them, but to switch sizes would mean he needed to deflect suspicion to somebody else with a different shoe size in case his were found.

To frame or protect someone else. I wonder what size shoes the other suspects have

[caesu]

very good to watch patrick.

especially about how the tabloids are discrediting him.
but that doesn't bother him much. he expected that.

nice guy patrick. i really believe that.

also at the end when robert said to beth, nice to sit here with your hero's
patrick said and beth is a supermom.

now bram mosko is on pauw/witteman.

[Rob]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

[JE]

Going on about the shoes (srry all) Lets assume he lost a shoe during whatever activity. Would he be so stupid as to take the one he has left, including the eventual forensic traces, home and put it in a closet for the police to find??

[Keepthefaith]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I second that motion.It is very gracious of you to post this information.Others have thanked you but i haven't.So thank you for your posts and time.


Keepthefaith

[JE]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

rob i didn't contribute to the translations i was busy with shoes LOL
all credit goes to Ceasu and Jo-An

[Rob]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

rob i didn't contribute to the translations i was busy with shoes LOL
all credit goes to Ceasu and Jo-An

duly noted JE.

I know others feel the same way, but it's a pleasure to have you all here with us and your help is immeasurable. Thank you again to the Dutch posters.

it's my pleasure to know you all...

And

Hi Dayhiker, my brother!!! ^5

[Jo-An]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I second that motion.It is very gracious of you to post this information.Others have thanked you but i haven't.So thank you for your posts and time.


Keepthefaith

You're very welcome!

[Observer]

Going on about the shoes (srry all) Lets assume he lost a shoe during whatever activity. Would he be so stupid as to take the one he has left, including the eventual forensic traces, home and put it in a closet for the police to find??

Very stupid and that doesn't make sense either,his father would have made sure those shoes were nowhere near that house...Everyone knows you can't buy just one shoe! Which leads me to the next question..Why would Freddy feel obligated or volunteer to buy him a new pair of shoes?

[Peaches]

Thanks caesu, Jo-An, and JE. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

A big smoochie to y'all for recapping the shows we can't see over here.  I'm glad Beth is out there stirring the pot.  And she looks great doing it. 

[bleachedblack]

This is an interesting bit of info I don't recall hearing about before. Sure hope ALE followed up on this.......
 
>>>>SNIP

Three weeks ago, a tourist from North Carolina called me to ask me how to get in touch with police. She and her husband had been out exploring the island, and they came across a sneaker.

They knew investigators were looking for a pair of sneakers that belonged to van der Sloot. And, they knew the sneaker they spotted probably was just something someone left behind, but they couldn't let it go. She wanted to let police know about it.

http://tinyurl.com/3bkhpb

There was also a woman in North Carolina who started talking about Joran's mother saying NH hit her head and drowned and later recanted saying this.  If it is the same woman.  Arrest her.        jack b

I know which you are thinking about, the two sound different to me. The people you mention were supposedly friends/acquaintances of the sloots. PVDS allegedly called him and told him the story of Natalee drowning.......hmmmm one early overt attempt to establish a cover-up of what really happened.

[Peaches]

Going on about the shoes (srry all) Lets assume he lost a shoe during whatever activity. Would he be so stupid as to take the one he has left, including the eventual forensic traces, home and put it in a closet for the police to find??

Very stupid and that doesn't make sense either,his father would have made sure those shoes were nowhere near that house...Everyone knows you can't buy just one shoe! Which leads me to the next question..Why would Freddy feel obligated or volunteer to buy him a new pair of shoes?

We've been all over this one!  There is no good reason for Freddy to offer to buy Joran new shoes unless the shoes that were lost were actually Freddy's.  Freddy is too shrimpy looking to have size 14 feet even in his wildest dreams!

(I love that horse)

[Finbar]

Yea, yea.

I read where the headmaster of his school mentioned that he said NH hit her head swimming and drowned.

I think it was World Journier's posts.


CAPS, do you own a cat?


I must feed the credit cards.

Fin

[Peaches]

Yea, yea.

I read where the headmaster of his school mentioned that he said NH hit her head swimming and drowned.

I think it was World Journier's posts.


CAPS, do you own a cat?


I must feed the credit cards.

Fin

Is that Shango for "I'm going to order Chinese tonight?"

[KarmaRoundUp]

******* do you know the date when they were looking for it and where they found the bloody/muddy shoe?

In the beginning of the case they were looking for one shoe only. They had another shoe with mud or blood on it,I forget which one it was. However when they did the pond search  in July,Dompig announced to everyone it was a pair of shoes they were looking for,so I did a double take and many others did at RWV as well. We never heard anything from the initial reports until the search at the Pond.

Somewhere deep in the archives you will see the initial reports of looking for one shoe,I am positive of that! They were trying to find the missing shoe is what we were told in the beginning.

Plus Beth has in her notes about a bloody shoe.I hope Beth writes another book and have it be ALL about aruba and all the run arounds and lies her and the family were told.I also hope she names names of all the ones who dicked them around....start with that total frizzy haired,corupted,lizard skinned,lie regugitating,sun dried skanky *ITCH renHO.I want Chavez to steal that witch from aruba.
 

[Peaches]

Karma, I agree with ya totally.

[WhiskeyGirl]

From Diario online today -

Political cartoon "Banana Republic Cu Cum Laude!!"

http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/maart/3/car.jpg