Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[BUCKSHOT]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

Who's to say that Patrick has not given a statement....We just don't know what He said in it .....seems like in the last week or so He went to see Mos.....correct me if I'm wrong

Are we able to obtain / read Patrick's PV ?

[BUCKSHOT]

PATRICK Maar ik weet wie het lichaam in zee heeft gegooid.
But i know who threw the body into the ocean.

I contend that IF this is correct and Patrick did say that, it's a huge development and he needs to be interrogated throughly and immediately.

Who's to say that Patrick has not given a statement....We just don't know what He said in it .....seems like in the last week or so He went to see Mos.....correct me if I'm wrong

Are we able to obtain / read Patrick's PV ?

Patrick should have a copy, correct ?

[oceanexploration]

From Kyle:

So, if I understand this right, it IS possible that the trap in the Dateline video MAY have been the trap stolen from the fish hut??

I think it's possible,but the trap that was reported stolen was a bit smaller.

As you already know, the trap dimensions you are familiar with came from Dr. Hodges.  To my knowledge, he did not speak with the fisherman who owned the hut which was broken into.  He spoke with the owner of the fishermans huts. 
Not that it is of any consequence, because the fisherman who leases the hut which was broken into 1) doesn't speak a lick of English 2) likely fishes mainly at night and 3) the trap likely didn't belong to the fisherman who's hut was broken into.  I walked by the huts about 5-6 times a day for 4 straight days during the time of day Hodges went to the Huts to learn as much as possible. I didn't encounter that fisherman once.  However, I spoke to the fisherman next to the one that was broken into who was often sitting out front of his hut.  He could only say hello in English. 

Regardless of the questionable applicability of the information, we decided to use the dimensions Dr. Hodges provided to serve as a baseline or minimum sonar target.

As for the trap being the one that was reportedly next to the fisherman's huts...I honestly don't know and can't prove that it is or isn't at this point.  I believe early on Dompig referred to the fish trap as being HUGE at one point.  A 5'x 4' trap hardly qualifies as huge. 

[BUCKSHOT]

If you want Joran's missing shoe(s), just ask Dennis Jacobs; he probably has them locked in his desk drawer.

[oceanexploration]

Jackb - that is how Kyle sent it to me.  I have no idea why the white square in the upper right hand corner.

I cut a thumbnail image of the actual sonar target of the trap out of the picture.  I didn't want it posted because I don't have rights over the sonar data.

[wreck]

If you want Joran's missing shoe(s), just ask Dennis Jacobs; he probably has them locked in his desk drawer.

....uhhhh.... I think they were "digested" years ago.

[Nut44x4]

more of the same ole'
Today's Dutch News in English (they are always a day behind )

'Friend' knows who dumped Natalee
Friday 07 March 2008

Patrick van der Eem, the man who helped secretly record Joran van der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has himself been secretly recorded by an Aruban tv company, Dutch media report on Friday.

After an interview on a local television station, Van der Eem carried on talking, thinking the cameras had been switched off.

But instead he was recorded saying that he knew who had dumped Natalee’s body at sea and that Van der Sloot had asked him for €2,000 to buy the man’s silence, the Telegraaf reports.

Van der Eem was also heard saying he had known Van der Sloot for several years. On Peter R de Vries’ tv programme, he claimed he befriended the Dutch student in a Nijmegen casino in 2007.

According to the Telegraaf, Van der Eem expects to become a millionaire because of his role in the Holloway affair. ‘And I will make sure that Joran and his entire family fall flat on their face. They had better emigrate to Africa,’ the paper quoted Van der Eem as saying.

Parts of the interview, which was recorded in Papiamento two weeks ago, have already been aired by TeleAruba. The interview was made following the news that Van der Eem has signed a US book deal.

News agency ANP reports that Van der Eem was furious after the partial broadcasts and has threatened interviewer Poentje Castro. Castro is seeking legal advice, ANP said.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php

[BUCKSHOT]

Is Patrick beginning to flip to the other side? Or are speculations just misinformation?

Patrick knowing Joran for years...
Patrick withholding info about body disposal person(s)...
Patrick doing everything for money, instead of doing everything to help sovle case...

He did, after all, meet with Hans Mos in Aruba, the spin machine.

[Bearlyhere]

Good morning!

I just heard the news from my mechanic ~ that Joran has talked!!! ~ I'm so glad I needed a new radiator in my car and that the car got fixed yesterday & Eric came over my house with the breaking news!

His basic summary was this:

Joran got friendly with the local drug dealer and started making vague references to what happened, saying stuff like "man, you just don't know the secrets that I have, and the drug dealer just listened and acted like he didn't know what Joarn was talking about. Then the drug dealer go in touch with America's Most Wanted (or someone like that who the Monkeys know) and it was arranged that the drug dealer would just let Joran talk... his every word and mannerism recorded. The drug dealer got a new truck ~ all outfitted with various recording devices, both audio and video ~ cameras everywhere aimed at the passengers seat where Joran would be sitting ~ and eventually blabbing ~ which he did.

Joran got called back to Aruba for something ~ one last investigation or whatever ~ and he came back telling the drug dealer basically that he got away with it again... The drug dealer told him that he had some great deals going down, that he got a new truck out of all of it, and urged Joran to hurry on over, that they had some "business" to attend to.

And now the investigators have about a years worth of Joran's talking about what happened that night ~ that Joran, Deepak and Satish have all been arrested again ~ and there are divers in Aruba once again looking for Natalie's body ~ because Joran even told where her body was dumped ~ about 5 miles off shore in the ocean.

Is all this, that my mechanic told me, about right?

In short, No.  I am sure by now another monkey has set you straight.

Katz, I have been missing my other bear-pal in the cage.  Come back and visit.

[Bearlyhere]

Thanks Jo-An! I didn't know it was so long ago that this happened...

I'm gonna have to find out what's going on.

I saw on page 1 of this thread that it was posted that nothing is happening still and yet to Joran ~ even though he admitted everything ~ I don't see how this can be ~ but I guess it's just Aruba... I don't know...

Joran did confess to Patrick but this was months/weeks ago.
The tapes were broadcasted in the Netherlands on Feb 3rd and the day after that on 20/20 in the US.
I knew the investigation was re-opened but I don't know about the guys being arrested again though...

OMG, You have a lot of catching up to do!! 
Summary:
Patrick and Dutch crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up this hidden camera thing in order to get Joran to confess.
He did.
Peter showed the tapes to Hans Mos in Aruba.
Mos said that this was enough to have Joran arrested again.
But the judges said it wasn't enough: all Joran did was confess to disposing of a body and you can't be arrested for that without real proof.
So now Joran is hiding somewhere (probably in Germany) and the case is re-opened and Joran is a murdersuspect.

I knew one of the smart monkeys would beat me to it.  Hi Jo-An.   

[caesu]

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080307_vandereem

-telearuba did not allow the broadcast in which patrick supposedly said who dumped natalee in the ocean.
-telearuba says to taping might be illegal and is afraid for judicial consequences.
-poentjes lawyer thinks differently about that.
-poentje respects telearuba's decision but is trying to broadcast it elsewhe -  he is in talks with another aruba channel and a channel on curaçao and two broadcasters in the netherlands.
-patrick threatened to poentje with death. 15 collegeas of poentje were witness of that. poentje is going to report this to the police.
-peter r. de vries says all this is not a big deal. poentje only tried to play a trick on patrick just like patrick himself did (on joran). peter r. says no threats were made.

interview with poentje (mp3)
http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_uitzendverbod_20080307_44_1kHz.mp3

[Bearlyhere]

Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

His favorite movie is One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, It;s de ja vu all over again.

           

[Magnolia]

Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

He looked like an old man on the TeleAruba Show.
He must have dug really deep in the family photo album
to come up with those shots.
Wonder if he ever worked for Alexander Gottenbos.

[Rob]

Good Morning, I was reading about the possibility of the fisherman's boat being used. That was very intriguing and I had not considered it. So, kudos to who ever thought of that.

Here is a picture from ArubaGirl's website.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/aruba/dsc_0027.html

These are the boats shown. I also have a ton of my own beach photos and will look to see if I have any that show any boats in that area that look larger.



cropped and blown to 200%


This image is from Jan. 11 - 19, 2005, so it would be before Natalee went to Aruba and this is how I remember the boats.


http://www.hammocktree.us/ms/Aruba05/Aruba05.html

[vms]

Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

Poentje's Interests

<snipped>

Television Larry King (exluding the Nathalie Halloway show)

 http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida 

[Nut44x4]

XxX Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:41 am @ RU
Patrick didn't pay Joran, Joran paid Patrick so Patrick would keep his mouth shut about the name. That's how rumours started in the first place: no correct translation etc.


+++++++++++++++
Something Julia said at RU this morning coincides with something I had thought of when 'Daury' was first mentioned. I pondered it over in my head, but decided it was moot...what do you all think>> It almost makes me sick to think she and I think alike on this one, lol. 


Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:39 am
When I first heard the Name on De Vries show I googled it:
 
Payment of a Dowry, gift — often financial, has a long history in many parts of the world.

[Bearlyhere]

If you want Joran's missing shoe(s), just ask Dennis Jacobs; he probably has them locked in his desk drawer.

Or he covered them with the chocolate that seems to flow so freely on the island and ate them.

               

[Jo-An]

Is Patrick beginning to flip to the other side? Or are speculations just misinformation?

Patrick knowing Joran for years...
Patrick withholding info about body disposal person(s)...
Patrick doing everything for money, instead of doing everything to help sovle case...

He did, after all, meet with Hans Mos in Aruba, the spin machine.

Patrick and Joran knowing eachother for years - this was a mistranslation.

Withholding information about disposal - also somewhat of a mistranslation, Peter confirmed yesterday that Patrick doesn't know "who did it" but is highly suspicious of a certain person. Patrick knows Joran lied about the beach. He asked Poentje: "So where do you think it happened, at THE BEACH or AT HOME?"

Patrick is in it for the money - may be true, maybe the fame and all the compliments he got made him aware of the fact that he could  make a lot of money out of this (re. the book).

I'm very curious how this Patrick-thing will develop.

[Bearlyhere]

Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

Poentje's Interests

<snipped>

Television Larry King (exluding the Nathalie Halloway show)

 http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida 

Which contradicts his General interest which is:  In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

I smell a hypocrite.

   

[Destiny]

"Justice in Aruba wants nothing more than say that there are still investigation into what happened on the night that Holloway disappeared."



Yeah, sure, for nearly 3 friggin years!!!

I can see it now...5 generations down the line...case still being *investigated*...passed through the blood lines involved from the beginning...like some piece of heirloom furniture....