Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[Jo-An]

XxX Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:41 am @ RU
Patrick didn't pay Joran, Joran paid Patrick so Patrick would keep his mouth shut about the name. That's how rumours started in the first place: no correct translation etc.


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Something Julia said at RU this morning coincides with something I had thought of when 'Daury' was first mentioned. I pondered it over in my head, but decided it was moot...what do you all think>> It almost makes me sick to think she and I think alike on this one, lol. 


Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:39 am
When I first heard the Name on De Vries show I googled it:
 
Payment of a Dowry, gift — often financial, has a long history in many parts of the world.

I'm not sure if Joran would know the word "dowry". 

[BUCKSHOT]

Is Patrick beginning to flip to the other side? Or are speculations just misinformation?

Patrick knowing Joran for years...
Patrick withholding info about body disposal person(s)...
Patrick doing everything for money, instead of doing everything to help sovle case...

He did, after all, meet with Hans Mos in Aruba, the spin machine.

Patrick and Joran knowing eachother for years - this was a mistranslation.

Withholding information about disposal - also somewhat of a mistranslation, Peter confirmed yesterday that Patrick doesn't know "who did it" but is highly suspicious of a certain person. Patrick knows Joran lied about the beach. He asked Poentje: "So where do you think it happened, at THE BEACH or AT HOME?"

Patrick is in it for the money - may be true, maybe the fame and all the compliments he got made him aware of the fact that he could  make a lot of money out of this (re. the book).

I'm very curious how this Patrick-thing will develop.

Jo-An,
Thanks for clarification.

[vms]

Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

Poentje's Interests

<snipped>

Television Larry King (exluding the Nathalie Halloway show)

 http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida 

Which contradicts his General interest which is:  In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

I smell a hypocrite.

   

Agenda came to my mind also...

[BUCKSHOT]

If you want Joran's missing shoe(s), just ask Dennis Jacobs; he probably has them locked in his desk drawer.

Or he covered them with the chocolate that seems to flow so freely on the island and ate them.

               

In America, we have "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"

In Aruba, they have "Dennis Jacobs and the Chocolate Factory"

Evidence is always dipped in chocolate, then licked off by Jacobs...

 

[Destiny]

I sure hope they give in to his demands..He may start shaking people down even the Dutch Tourists..How Much guilders do you have?   

Not enough to fill that belly...

[caesu]

about the NOVA corruption series:

yesterday is was about curaçao.
about corruption, nepotism, conflicts of interest.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=5867&selectArchiveDay=5

saturday part 3, about st. maarten and bonaire.
obvious where that's about.

of course about the transferred and arrested police chief Derrick Holiday.
and the fact that there is no police chief on Bonaire after Jan van der Straten left.
and all the involvements of antilles justice minister David Dick.
he is in a very awkward situation now.

i don't know if there is a part 4 about aruba.

[Jo-An]

Ok guys, my working day is done, was alone in office all day so...




See ya later!

[Nut44x4]

Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:36 am   

Patrick also tells Poentje:

Joran's buddy/helper is currently hiding out with Joran in _______. 


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She also says the halted broadcast will be shown on Sunday.

XxX wrote:
I will only believe it when I hear it from him on broadcast, there are to many rumours already in this case. You have no back up for so far, I do have a back up for my story. The truth will be in the middle at this point.
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Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:09 am
Believe what you'd like. it will be aired on you Island on Sunday.


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I am getting dizzy THis is all so ridiculous.

[Destiny]

More on the shoes--it never ends.

Note I believe it was Tromp saying the shoes were new which Joran also said and that he, Joran, wanted them back because of this.

Then later he was reported saying on Aruban Radio I think Chanel 90 that they were old so he didn't mind that they were lost, just forget about shoes, etc.

The SHOES are in the Twilight Zone as well!  The things that will make you go crazy if you think about them too long.

 

Once in a while those shoes go walking through my head.

Is that the name of a song?

Pretty Darn Close! These Boots Were Made for Walking! Nancy Sinatra....That Makes Me wonder maybe He did where the cream colored boots that night and Daury had the KSwiss...either way I bet both pairs are missing....

Hotping...my thinking exactly!

[Peaches]

Hi all- Here is something that may be important. Did Ale actually check the fishermans boat to see if any of Natalee's DNA could be found or blood. Its possible the boat that could transport a trap was sitting there all along. Next question did they keep the keys in the hut?

That begs the question, did ALE check anything? There are lots of boats not far away at the moorings in front of the hotels and rumor has it Koen Gottenbos had his boat parked there. There are very few put-in points where he lives on the north end of the island.

ALE and Karin Jannsen refused to interview him causing Asst. Prosecutor Amylin Flanigan to quit the investigation.

Just maybe, Koen's boat was used to transport Natalee/evidence from painted rocks area to fishing hut? Then fishing hut/trap/fishermen boat comes into play??

I like it. I think Steve Croes would be more adept and knowledgeable than Koen but would not rule either of them out. Just moving a trap may be no great shakes for either.

Croes maybe.  Koen doesn't look like he's lifted anything more than his fork to his mouth for a couple years now.  jmo

[oceanexploration]

From Kyle:

So, if I understand this right, it IS possible that the trap in the Dateline video MAY have been the trap stolen from the fish hut??

I think it's possible,but the trap that was reported stolen was a bit smaller.

As you already know, the trap dimensions you are familiar with came from Dr. Hodges.  To my knowledge, he did not speak with the fisherman who owned the hut which was broken into.  He spoke with the owner of the fishermans huts. 
Not that it is of any consequence, because the fisherman who leases the hut which was broken into 1) doesn't speak a lick of English 2) likely fishes mainly at night and 3) the trap likely didn't belong to the fisherman who's hut was broken into.  I walked by the huts about 5-6 times a day for 4 straight days during the time of day Hodges went to the Huts to learn as much as possible. I didn't encounter that fisherman once.  However, I spoke to the fisherman next to the one that was broken into who was often sitting out front of his hut.  He could only say hello in English. 

Regardless of the questionable applicability of the information, we decided to use the dimensions Dr. Hodges provided to serve as a baseline or minimum sonar target.

As for the trap being the one that was reportedly next to the fisherman's huts...I honestly don't know and can't prove that it is or isn't at this point.  I believe early on Dompig referred to the fish trap as being HUGE at one point.  A 5'x 4' trap hardly qualifies as huge. 

BTW, Good morning Monkeys

[Lala'sMom]

Which source can provide the most money?  Book deals that may or may not happen or the PTB controlling everything with what seems to be unlimited resources? 

Morning Monkeys...just thinking out loud again.

[Tamikosmom]

more of the same ole'
Today's Dutch News in English (they are always a day behind )

'Friend' knows who dumped Natalee
Friday 07 March 2008

Patrick van der Eem, the man who helped secretly record Joran van der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has himself been secretly recorded by an Aruban tv company, Dutch media report on Friday.

After an interview on a local television station, Van der Eem carried on talking, thinking the cameras had been switched off.

But instead he was recorded saying that he knew who had dumped Natalee’s body at sea and that Van der Sloot had asked him for €2,000 to buy the man’s silence, the Telegraaf reports.

Van der Eem was also heard saying he had known Van der Sloot for several years. On Peter R de Vries’ tv programme, he claimed he befriended the Dutch student in a Nijmegen casino in 2007.

According to the Telegraaf, Van der Eem expects to become a millionaire because of his role in the Holloway affair. ‘And I will make sure that Joran and his entire family fall flat on their face. They had better emigrate to Africa,’ the paper quoted Van der Eem as saying.

Parts of the interview, which was recorded in Papiamento two weeks ago, have already been aired by TeleAruba. The interview was made following the news that Van der Eem has signed a US book deal.

News agency ANP reports that Van der Eem was furious after the partial broadcasts and has threatened interviewer Poentje Castro. Castro is seeking legal advice, ANP said.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php

Thank you Nut.

Janet

[Blonde]

Good Morning, I was reading about the possibility of the fisherman's boat being used. That was very intriguing and I had not considered it. So, kudos to who ever thought of that.

Here is a picture from ArubaGirl's website.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/photos/aruba/dsc_0027.html

These are the boats shown. I also have a ton of my own beach photos and will look to see if I have any that show any boats in that area that look larger.



cropped and blown to 200%


This image is from Jan. 11 - 19, 2005, so it would be before Natalee went to Aruba and this is how I remember the boats.


http://www.hammocktree.us/ms/Aruba05/Aruba05.html

Rob doesn't this boat look like this one that's from Aruba- Bay Video 24 body in the bag
video hmmm.

[Anna]

Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:36 am   

Patrick also tells Poentje:

Joran's buddy/helper is currently hiding out with Joran in _______. 


~~~~~~~
She also says the halted broadcast will be shown on Sunday.

XxX wrote:
I will only believe it when I hear it from him on broadcast, there are to many rumours already in this case. You have no back up for so far, I do have a back up for my story. The truth will be in the middle at this point.
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Glenda Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:09 am
Believe what you'd like. it will be aired on you Island on Sunday.


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I am getting dizzy THis is all so ridiculous.

Hiding out with Joran???

Patrick mentions Joran's relatives.  Has anyone ever wondered about Little Val, Koren's younger brother who was apparently awake and on the computer around three a.m. the night Natalee disappeared?

He's a pretty good sized kid and was not questioned at all until recently.

Huummm. . . .Again, just thinking out loud about things that would embarrass the Sloots and Joran's relatives and someone hiding out with Joran, etc.  Could Joran have called his brother for assistance when things went bad?

I have always wondered why no statement was taken from Val despite his logging onto the computer during the time in question on the night Natalee disappeared.

Well, we have looked everywhere else, just thinking out loud also.

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[Peaches]

More on the shoes--it never ends.

Note I believe it was Tromp saying the shoes were new which Joran also said and that he, Joran, wanted them back because of this.

Then later he was reported saying on Aruban Radio I think Chanel 90 that they were old so he didn't mind that they were lost, just forget about shoes, etc.

The SHOES are in the Twilight Zone as well!  The things that will make you go crazy if you think about them too long.

 

Once in a while those shoes go walking through my head.

Is that the name of a song?

No, but this is...

http://www.songofatlanta.com/media/clips/OurDayWillCome/02-TheseBootsAreMade.mp3

[Rob]

Blonde

Hi, yes it does look like the exact same boat. Nice catch. You da Girl!!!

[Blonde]

Sander GOTTENBOS Statement

On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following;
I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following:
It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".

On your question if Joran had been on our boat before, I will explain to you the following:
Joran has never been on our boat and has also never with our dangers. (?)
It should read:

"Joran has never been on our boat and also has never been boating with us".
On your question if I had spoken on May 29, 2005 with Joran by means of the computer, I will explain you the following:
I do not remember myself if I had spoken to him by means of the computer. If he had been online then it would be possible.

[Rob]

OK, I took the original photo from January 05 and cropped it to blew it to 200 %, then I flipped it. Then I took Blonde's photo from Aru-Bay video #24 and selected all and blew that to 150% and combined both.

They are the same boat in my opinion.

[Anna]

Also recall Paulus shouting to the parents and folks from Alabama who came to his home on Monday night looking for Natalee.

"You have no jurisdiction, you have no jurisdiction!"

Was he more afraid of a SEARCH of his property than their questioning Joran?  And once again it is claimed that VAL was the one to awaken Paulus.  Once again we have the younger brother awake at a very odd hour.

Just saying. . . . .

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