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« Reply #800 on: March 07, 2008, 12:44:23 PM »

[I respect your opinion, however, I could see where the med jet was a well planned precaution.

Yes of course, it was. What if Natalee was found and needed specialistic care?


By the plane Natalee could have been taken to the right place as soon as possible.
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« Reply #801 on: March 07, 2008, 12:47:24 PM »

The trolls show very often a little tape containing a couple with big sunglases telling Beth: "Beth you know, bla,bla,bla,bla.
The trolls tell the woman of this couple is an ex-friend of Natalee's mother.

Other stories say that this couple are detectives.

One of the posters give a link to their? site. Fortunetellers?




I don't understand why the trolls continue with this line when we have Joran on tape confessing.  I suppose they just attribute his whole ten or so confessions as idle pratter and yet take the word of just anybody when it come to bashing Beth?

Maybe those in the sunglasses are the friends of Julia who were working for AHATA from the start.  One real friend of Beth's was contacted and she said she never said what those two psychics claim they have her on tape that no one has ever actually hears.

They lie. 

It's obvious they tell lies. They told Natalee has been in rehab before she went to Aruba.  Well, this is impossible because she is 18 years old and finished school successfully. Besides that, she was after her holiday going to live by herself. So why runaway?
She was 18 years old. There is no reason for an 18 years old girl to run away from home.
What they claims does not make any sense at all.

They have this information from an    ...................anonymous
............................taxidriver. He heard a familymember telling this.
 

The medical plane was very, very, very, very suspicious.



The medjet (which arrived after the private plane arrival) and McWane jet were broadcast early on. Fox news October 2005 has Beth talking about it.  It was no secret. How would Aruba not know about a plane landing?   The $37,000 medjet cost was even published. There is no revealing secret there. The medjet was sent because the family was told Natalee was in a choller house and there was the belief that she had left with a local drug dealer (which would explain the money to drink and gamble when one has no job). Americans are a bit funny about healthcare.  Had this been my daughter, I would have called every flight physician I knew to get her back to the states ASAP. She couldn't have been doing drugs for days.  She was sitting fine in the casino video (with a bottle of water in front of her) and dancing at C&Cs.  Her friends never saw her drugged, drunk, yes, not drugged.
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« Reply #802 on: March 07, 2008, 12:49:59 PM »

about the break in at the huts:

 Rather quickly it emerged that he was The Fisherman who had discovered the break-in to the units on the morning of May 30, 2005. He related the following story.

He had been at this hut at 6 am that Monday morning May 30, 2005. Before long, he noticed that someone had broken into the first three of the four units in this particular group, from north to south, prying off the padlocks with something like a tire iron or a crowbar. He showed me the still-visible marks of the break-in on each unit. He described in detail the contents of each unit and the nature of the break-in.

Facing the first of the Fisherman's Huts from left to right (north to south): unit 1 contained a valuable stove, cooler and other equipment but nothing went missing; unit 2 had the lock pried off but was seemingly unopened because the door was stuck (and nothing was later reported missing); unit 3 also had its lock pried off with the only missing item being a brand new, large fishing knife (no rope was taken as had originally been reported, he said); finally unit 4 remained untouched. Clearly it seemed the perpetrator(s) had broken into the units in an orderly fashion until they found the specific item they were seeking—the knife. Indeed it struck the fisherman as odd that nothing else of value was taken.

Of the three Fisherman's Hut buildings, only one was accessible to break-in. The units in the closest nearby building were going mostly unused with sand covering the entrance doors up to a couple of feet. The outermost building was seemingly abandoned and virtually in the water.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html



So when did the fishermen, that were fishing that night, actually leave...if this owner saw this at 6am??  hmmmmm
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« Reply #803 on: March 07, 2008, 12:56:12 PM »

Who wants to take the bet that if Patrick witheld information from Mos during his declaration and now something shows up on the tape showing this, that Mos is going to charge him with a crime.

Watch out, it could happen!

Maybe Mos didn't ask Patrick any questions.  The Joran tape speaks for itself.  Mos and Peter R. both said that Daury was not the name mentioned...I think.  If Patrick said Joran told him something in private, then it becomes hearsay, anyhow.  There are plenty of Joran's own words to investigate.  It doesn't matter what Patrick thinks...unless of course he or a friend can get another perp on tape...or SMS...
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« Reply #804 on: March 07, 2008, 12:58:18 PM »

As OE said...he *never* said there were no *human* remains in the trap...what I would like to know is...what chollor /beach bum has been missing since that night...someone who might have seen/helped with *some thing bad*...
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« Reply #805 on: March 07, 2008, 01:01:38 PM »

Every sensible thinking person can tell Natalee was not a drugs user.

She obviously drank on her holiday. Why not?
For the first time on Aruba with your schoolfriends.

Finished school successfully. Five days to Aruba. Partytime.   
I do not believe she was taken drugs. She did not have time to use drugs. Besides that, she does not look like a drugs user.

Before I read the book of Beth I was thinking that the plane was there to bring Natalee, in case she was found badly hurt, to a specialistic hospital.

Well, there was another reason.

So what's the problem?
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« Reply #806 on: March 07, 2008, 01:03:21 PM »

They have some strange ideas in Aruba.  Seem to think if someone had the misfortune to be related to Hitler, it should mean they no longer are deserving of justice?  Also if a person has been in rehab which Natalee NEVER WAS that the local pimps might be entitled to make them disappear?

You can't get a large payout from an insurance company without law enforcement knowing all about it.  It is impossible in this country.

And yet they persist with the lies, often inventing and adding new ones as though if they come up with just the right ones, we will all turn on Natalee and Beth and no longer support them???

We are a nation of laws and not men.   It is the concept of equal justice and justice for all and all the rest that keeps us here.  We don't care what lies they tell or come up with.  Those are totally futile as we believe in justice for all without regard to those things they think will turn us against Natalee's memory and her mother. 
Not gonna happen.  Just makes them look worse and worse and worse.

Never have I in my entire life heard of cops pretending they couldn't do their jobs because of the media or something the victim's mother said or did.  They would be laughed off the force in this country for making such claims.

We don't buy the concept that some people are deserving of justice and others are not so they might as well stop with the lies and do the right thing.

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« Reply #807 on: March 07, 2008, 01:06:34 PM »

O/T  Klaas.......can you mark the thread please?

Natalie Nicole Powell, 22 has been found safe in South Carolina
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« Reply #808 on: March 07, 2008, 01:06:35 PM »

How would Aruba not know about a plane landing?   

May be Beth did not ask permission.
May she was afraid Aruba would not give permisson, so she did not ask.

Very well possible.
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« Reply #809 on: March 07, 2008, 01:07:53 PM »

First land, then ask permission.
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« Reply #810 on: March 07, 2008, 01:13:12 PM »

Good afternoon all- Klaasend is it possible to pass that idea along to the family about the keys to the fishermans boat being inside one of the huts. Then returned back to its mooring minus the trap.
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« Reply #811 on: March 07, 2008, 01:13:14 PM »

Here is a good photo showing the simple padlock on the door at the huts:

It is from this site, apparently 2003:

http://www.island-temptations.com/old/summer03/story4/

I believe the green doors are on the back of the huts, but someone can confirm this.


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« Reply #812 on: March 07, 2008, 01:15:07 PM »

Good afternoon all- Klaasend is it possible to pass that idea along to the family about the keys to the fishermans boat being inside one of the huts. Then returned back to its mooring minus the trap.

Sure, we can do that 
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« Reply #813 on: March 07, 2008, 01:17:33 PM »

First land, then ask permission.


Those Medically Equipped planes are VERY expensive.  No one is going to risk one being fired on by hostile authorities or confiscated or seized for not having permission to land. 

I am quite certain the apporpriate flight plans were in order including permission to land.  Not many physicians are willing to risk their lives as well as the pilot to make a landing without permission.  For one thing, I don't think the company that owned the plane would allow it to do so.  Could be confiscated by the offended government, etc.

No, it had full permission to land as it always has when making a flight to retrieve a patient.

These flights act fully within the law and have no reason to do otherwise.  It wasn't a daring rescue mission by the military or special forces but a routine MedFlight being used as it normally and lawfully is used.
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« Reply #814 on: March 07, 2008, 01:17:37 PM »

World Journier..medjet

On October 31, 2005 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated she will be in ARUBA for 3 days. BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated to FOX News that during the first weeks after NATALEE vanished in ARUBA, they had arranged for and rented a plane to be waiting in ARUBA for 2 days to pick up NATALEE and take her off ARUBA after, apparently, someone had told NATALEE’s Loved Ones that NATALEE was alive and in an ARUBA crack house. NATALEE was not in the crack house, so the plane the family had rented returned back to the UNITED STATES, and the plane rental had cost NATALEE‘s Loved Ones $37,000. BETH stated, “I would hope that Deputy Dompig realizes that we’re not flying family, friends and searchers in and out on brooms to Aruba. You know, we pay air fares. We pay hotel bills. We pay the exorbitant attorney fees, private Investigators. You know, one sample of a bill was $37,000 to “Medjet” because we had the jet sitting on the tarmac for two days because that’s when we thought we were pulling Natalee out alive of one of their crack houses, being held by a crack addict against her will. So you know, there have been some expenses that we have incurred during this investigation.”

On November 1, 2006 “Blogs For Natalee” reported about the October 28, 2006 meeting:

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Was a medjet ever in Aruba and if so what were the reasons for it being there? They did have a medjet available due to the possibility that Natalee was being held in a crack house and would not know her condition when they found her.

Personal note: the family was told over and over by the ALE to check the crackhouses in the first few days of the investigation.


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« Reply #815 on: March 07, 2008, 01:19:17 PM »

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« Reply #816 on: March 07, 2008, 01:20:40 PM »

How would Aruba not know about a plane landing?   

May be Beth did not ask permission.
May she was afraid Aruba would not give permisson, so she did not ask.

Very well possible.

There is radar....and I seriously do not think that anyone lands a plane without the control tower knowing they are coming in.  Commercial planes arrive also.  The plane would be the one with "permission".  A plane can't sneak anywhere.
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« Reply #817 on: March 07, 2008, 01:23:48 PM »

WARNING:  *Speculation Alert*...

Walking out to the *tip* of the limb here....this is my main cliff notes theory of how things went down...Natalee was the victim of a larger group than J2K...Natalee was taken to the Sloot house...this being the *last* place she was taken that evening....something *very bad* did happen to Natalee there...a lot of evidence in the Sloot house...including Natalee, when Beth and parties arrived at the Sloot house...the Sloots did not expect Beth to arrive...and especially not so soon....Beth denied access to Sloot house...Paulus the Perv sweating buckets...Joran and friends arrive not dressed for Casino....

Trap from 6 Robin photos *does* contain items pertaining to this case....Natalee is under the new concrete at Sloot house...as now that Beth and media is on Aruba...attemps to dispose of Natalee at dump...and a possible few other places...puts the perps in too much spotlight....Natalee returned to Sloot house...as it is the only place that Perps *know* cannot be investigated in full....Natalee moved to several locations on the Sloot Property....final resting place under concrete....the Sloots cannot leave the house now...too much speculation about the new concrete out there in the public ....BTW....when was the last time that the *whole* Sloot family has been away from the house...all at the same time...since all this shit has happened...

OK...so there....I'm teetering on the tip of the limb....but just had to get this off my chest...
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Sounds plausible.If they have nothing to hide they should be begging for them to search the house,dig up the new concrete,etc,etc...The VDS family.What a bunch of Hooligans...

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« Reply #818 on: March 07, 2008, 01:24:47 PM »

Bladerunner, It says right beside that photo on the link:

Shot on location at Charlie's Bar in Savaneta,
the mangroves of Savaneta, Fisherman's Huts,
and poolside at Wacamaya Residence.
(Left) Heidi Munzenhoffer modeling her own design
 

 

And in the article:

Heidi custom designs and tailors her suits for each individual client, but has plans to develop and market her creations to the general public soon. The designer also runs couture shop Creations Aimee with her mother, Rosa. Heidi is currently working on a swimsuit calendar for 2004, combining both her talents as a designer and beauty as a model.

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So Heidi is a Munzenhoffer as is Angela?  Could the Rosa that is her mother be Rosalie Klein who was previously also a Munzenhoffer and the big connection between these trolls revealed at last?

Does anyone know if scubajap and Angela Munzenhoffer are sisters by any chance?
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« Reply #819 on: March 07, 2008, 01:27:32 PM »

Bladerunner, It says right beside that photo on the link:

Shot on location at Charlie's Bar in Savaneta,
the mangroves of Savaneta, Fisherman's Huts,
and poolside at Wacamaya Residence.
(Left) Heidi Munzenhoffer modeling her own design
 

 

And in the article:

Heidi custom designs and tailors her suits for each individual client, but has plans to develop and market her creations to the general public soon. The designer also runs couture shop Creations Aimee with her mother, Rosa. Heidi is currently working on a swimsuit calendar for 2004, combining both her talents as a designer and beauty as a model.

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So Heidi is a Munzenhoffer as is Angela?  Could the Rosa that is her mother be Rosalie Klein who was previously also a Munzenhoffer and the big connection between these trolls revealed at last?

Does anyone know if scubajap and Angela Munzenhoffer are sisters by any chance?

I can't follow all that but I'm sure you veteran monkeys will make the connections--if there are any!!   
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