Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[Rob]

Here is a good photo showing the simple padlock on the door at the huts:

It is from this site, apparently 2003:

http://www.island-temptations.com/old/summer03/story4/

I believe the green doors are on the back of the huts, but someone can confirm this.

and there is this caption ~ (Left) Heidi Munzenhoffer modeling her own design

[katrien]

No, it had full permission to land as it always has when making a flight to retrieve a patient.

These flights act fully within the law and have no reason to do otherwise.  It wasn't a daring rescue mission by the military or special forces but a routine MedFlight being used as it normally and lawfully is used.
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So, this is another gossip?
Howmany gossips do the trolls invent? Today they started tot alk about the microphones in the car.

It is all about misinformation. They try to take the attention away to what really is important.
Would they do that if there was no reason?

Johan555 was talking about the sewerage on Aruba.

[JE]

Here is a good photo showing the simple padlock on the door at the huts:

It is from this site, apparently 2003:

http://www.island-temptations.com/old/summer03/story4/

I believe the green doors are on the back of the huts, but someone can confirm this.

blade look here ther's lots of pictures of the huts (click on em for slide show)
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

[vms]

Anna,

Rosalie formerly a Munzenhoffer? Wasn't it Gesterkamp or did I miss something?

[Buckeye]

Bladerunner, It says right beside that photo on the link:

Shot on location at Charlie's Bar in Savaneta,
the mangroves of Savaneta, Fisherman's Huts,
and poolside at Wacamaya Residence.
(Left) Heidi Munzenhoffer modeling her own design
 

 

And in the article:

Heidi custom designs and tailors her suits for each individual client, but has plans to develop and market her creations to the general public soon. The designer also runs couture shop Creations Aimee with her mother, Rosa. Heidi is currently working on a swimsuit calendar for 2004, combining both her talents as a designer and beauty as a model.

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So Heidi is a Munzenhoffer as is Angela?  Could the Rosa that is her mother be Rosalie Klein who was previously also a Munzenhoffer and the big connection between these trolls revealed at last?

Does anyone know if scubajap and Angela Munzenhoffer are sisters by any chance?

There was some picture when Rosalie's sister came to island for birthday and I think a picture with ?godfather? Berndina ?  I'm trying to remember...but I think there was some connection...or picture in a group setting..

[Buckeye]

Anna,

Rosalie formerly a Munzenhoffer? Wasn't it Gesterkamp or did I miss something?

Now, I think that's correct...but maybe her married (?X) name and Klein her maiden name?

[Rob]

here's a boat from the though print site.

Machibo - name on the side. I enlarged it and it may not be clear.

[Flipper/Donnie29]

No, it had full permission to land as it always has when making a flight to retrieve a patient.

These flights act fully within the law and have no reason to do otherwise.  It wasn't a daring rescue mission by the military or special forces but a routine MedFlight being used as it normally and lawfully is used.
.

So, this is another gossip?
Howmany gossips do the trolls invent? Today they started tot alk about the microphones in the car.

It is all about misinformation. They try to take the attention away to what really is important.
Would they do that if there was no reason?

Johan555 was talking about the sewerage on Aruba.

Yeah thats right Katrien.. they only do that to get the focus of of the big picture.. thats the only thing there doing.. So obviously they know alot more, and are just being actively spreading lies etc etc.. It really makes me irritated..

Im also curious about why the Aruban OM, canceled the show in being aired.. What was on it that was so important..

[Anna]

Latrien,

The trolls started lying almost immeidately from the time Beth arrived.  One of them made up a bogus missing poster trying to make it appear Beth only thought Natalee had run away when nothing could have been further from the truth.  By two weeks, AHATA had formed their Strategic Command Force to start churning out the lies to "counter" what they thought was sure to be a public relations disaster for the island.

They have been at this for almost three long years.  It just makes us realize that Beth does need protection and support more because of this.

The government and tourism are intertwined with the government owning the actual beaches and many of the hotel buildings that they lease to the big hotel operators.  Huge conflict of interest when the government has an interest in protecting tourism and puts that over justice and enforcing the laws.

Also the government recently built a new huge cruise ship dock and now cruise ship arrival declines by 40 percent meaning they are in financial trouble on many of these ventures, etc. and so they work to subvert justice in order to protect tourism.

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[Anna]

Latrien,

The trolls started lying almost immeidately from the time Beth arrived.  One of them made up a bogus missing poster trying to make it appear Beth only thought Natalee had run away when nothing could have been further from the truth.  By two weeks, AHATA had formed their Strategic Command Force to start churning out the lies to "counter" what they thought was sure to be a public relations disaster for the island.

They have been at this for almost three long years.  It just makes us realize that Beth does need protection and support more because of this.

The government and tourism are intertwined with the government owning the actual beaches and many of the hotel buildings that they lease to the big hotel operators.  Huge conflict of interest when the government has an interest in protecting tourism and puts that over justice and enforcing the laws.

Also the government recently built a new huge cruise ship dock and now cruise ship arrival declines by 40 percent meaning they are in financial trouble on many of these ventures, etc. and so they work to subvert justice in order to protect tourism.

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Edit to correct spelling of name Katrien, sorry.  No edit button  (grumble, grumble).

[katrien]

A plane can't sneak anywhere.

[Anna]

Anna,

Rosalie formerly a Munzenhoffer? Wasn't it Gesterkamp or did I miss something?

Now, I think that's correct...but maybe her married (?X) name and Klein her maiden name?

I thought Klein was her married name now and she was previously married to that Jethro Gesterkamp guy, the one with the tour boat Octupus?  But I am wondering if Munzenhofer is not the maiden name of both of them as scubajap was known to have the parents with the Bucaneer restaurant.  Isn't that the same parents as Angela?

But I am pretty sure Gesterkamp was one of the husbands and not her maiden name.

[Lala'sMom]

Isn't that Ronchi de Cuba person the big guy/girl in those Hiram photos?  This is the designer? Now, that connects some dots...for me.

[vms]

Anna,

Rosalie formerly a Munzenhoffer? Wasn't it Gesterkamp or did I miss something?

Now, I think that's correct...but maybe her married (?X) name and Klein her maiden name?

I thought Klein was her married name now and she was previously married to that Jethro Gesterkamp guy, the one with the tour boat Octupus?  But I am wondering if Munzenhofer is not the maiden name of both of them as scubajap was known to have the parents with the Bucaneer restaurant.  Isn't that the same parents as Angela?

But I am pretty sure Gesterkamp was one of the husbands and not her maiden name.

Yes, Gesterkamp was a husband.
Munzenhoffer is Angela's married name. I don't know about scuba being connected to the Buccaneer also.

[Hotshot]

Here is a good photo showing the simple padlock on the door at the huts:

It is from this site, apparently 2003:

http://www.island-temptations.com/old/summer03/story4/

I believe the green doors are on the back of the huts, but someone can confirm this.

There are no doors on the back of the huts.  I can vouch for that.  All doors on the front.   http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/hutcollage.jpg   Kyle has taken some of the same pictures I took while over there.  The new wood door, is the hut that was broken into.  

[Buckeye]

Anna,

Rosalie formerly a Munzenhoffer? Wasn't it Gesterkamp or did I miss something?

Now, I think that's correct...but maybe her married (?X) name and Klein her maiden name?

I thought Klein was her married name now and she was previously married to that Jethro Gesterkamp guy, the one with the tour boat Octupus?  But I am wondering if Munzenhofer is not the maiden name of both of them as scubajap was known to have the parents with the Bucaneer restaurant.  Isn't that the same parents as Angela?

But I am pretty sure Gesterkamp was one of the husbands and not her maiden name.

I just can't remember it all....

[Rob]

I'd like one mystery cleared up - Is Ronchi de Cuba a guy or a girl?

I literally have no idea. 

[Kiwi]

Rob I may have started the key-hut break-in line last night. The thought came up with the fishermans recount of the break-in at the huts but that its a good thing that the boat was still there. Of course the idea could have been presented years ago or hours prior. Sometimes simple and quick works better in the time line.

[Rob]

Rob I may have started the key-hut break-in line last night. The thought came up with the fishermans recount of the break-in at the huts but that its a good thing that the boat was still there. Of course the idea could have been presented years ago or hours prior. Sometimes simple and quick works better in the time line.

I think you are right Kiwi, it was you...and it's good thinking. I had not thought of it before. So, again, kudos to you.

I don't remember anyone else talking about it.

[private eye]

Yes, it is true that the Aruban Minister of Justice puts his faith in psychics instead of his own OM and investigators.

But then what can one expect of someone caught with two or three sex slaves being held against their will?  Where are the charges for his doing that?

Perhaps that would be something to send to Hero Brinkman?  Anyone have detailed information on Rudy and the sex slaves?  Maybe we should send that to Mr. Brinkman.

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Rudy knows the quality of his staff better than we do:)