Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[klaasend]

Jackb - that is how Kyle sent it to me.  I have no idea why the white square in the upper right hand corner.

[hotping]

Klaas When You have time Could You please give TexasMom My email please....TIA 

[billb's daughter]

The trap still intrigues me. It is possible that the one found could have been the one that was stolen, but based on what we know thus far, it likely did not contain remains related to this case. However, I think its possible it COULD have contained other items of evidence.

Then again, if that is true, one has to ask the question why go through so much trouble to dispose of clothes, shoes, etc., in such a manner.

THe bottom lines is I don't think the cage we are looking for has been found yet.

Bladerunner...what you say makes sense, but I can't stop thinking the knife/machete rope, etc and maybe other evidence (tennis shoe(s) any other evidence) may have been hastily disposed of in the trap and taken out that night. Natalee may have also been buried near the fish hut and later moved (landfill, water, incinerated??). I guess in this order: they buried Natalee first, then realized they needed to dispose of evidence-thats where the trap comes into play. They probably wouldn't think to take it too far out that night, thus the 90 ft depth. JMO

[Dayhiker]

thx to all who replied to my shoe posts

i am aware that beth was told early on that blood/mud was found on one of jorans shoes. But since his house was searched on the 15th of june for the first time and there is no mention of a shoe being found during the search. Where oh where did this shoe with blood or mud come from. Joran claimed up to the 14th of june pv that he left em at the beach. Where did the cops get that one shoe or pair of shoes? PV june 9th he doesn t know for sure if he was wearing creme coloured boots or white shoes. PV june 14th i left kswiss size 14 blue and white shoes at the beach. i bought them in USA. To much detail for my taste. How could beth have known early on in the investigation that the kswiss were the shoes. Who told her? Size 14 is a very big shoe and as it turned out his shoe size was 10.5. I am curious to know if beth or ALE had this information about kswiss size 14 etc before june 14th. if so where did that info come from. Not from JVDS since he only remembered it so vividly only on june 14th. I m sorry if this post is hard to follow but its late and i ve been racking my brain on this. The only time that police could have found a shoe would be during the house search, but if this was the case why would JVDS have remembered these same details just one day before?

One more thing a friend of mine who is a police officer was over tonight. I asked him if asking about seizures or heart attacks was standard procedure in a missing person case. He said no we ask about the use of prescription medice but not specificaly about seizures or heart attacks.

In aruba your mileage may vary

What your cop friend says makes a heck of a lot more sense, JE.

[Dayhiker]

well, julia screwed up again.  mos stopped the broadcast and here old julia blames peter and patrick of threatening lives.  does she ever get anything right?  particularly where natalee is concerned.
dennisintn

There is a reason the major media is avoiding Renfro and Gielen.

They now all know every time they open their mouths shit comes out.

[klaasend]

Klaas When You have time Could You please give TexasMom My email please....TIA 

Done!

[Sea Searcher]

Hi All...

I'm trying to catch up and could use a little help..

The tele-aruba show was cancelled because
a. The ALE won't allow the show to air (MOS)
b. Patrick has threatened to kill the host if it airs.
c. Peter DeVries has threatened legal action if it airs
d All of the above

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer and am very confused 

Also Kyle has posted a picture of some trees with a sketch
of the cage shown in the unimportant pictures sent to the FBI then put on the
internet by Robin? For what reason?

I'm really lost here...anyone?

Thanks

[klaasend]

well, julia screwed up again.  mos stopped the broadcast and here old julia blames peter and patrick of threatening lives.  does she ever get anything right?  particularly where natalee is concerned.
dennisintn

There is a reason the major media is avoiding Renfro and Gielen.

They now all know every time they open their mouths shit comes out.

Very true   

[Buckeye]

JE

I do remember seeing Dave, being interviewed during the draining of the pond.  I think it was Soemers (ALE) interviewed, with him, that mentioned a "pair" of shoes.  I know that doesn't help with the single shoe and Beth's statement.   Welcome to the real world of "the shoe/shoes" investigation.  The big question is why did they make an issue out of it?  Shoe prints?  A comment by a maid that she saw blood?  a comment he was kicking Natalee??  Just speculating....

[hotping]

Klaas When You have time Could You please give TexasMom My email please....TIA 

Done!

Thank You!

[klaasend]

Hi All...

I'm trying to catch up and could use a little help..

The tele-aruba show was cancelled because
a. The ALE won't allow the show to air (MOS)
b. Patrick has threatened to kill the host if it airs.
c. Peter DeVries has threatened legal action if it airs
d All of the above

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer and am very confused 

Also Kyle has posted a picture of some trees with a sketch
of the cage shown in the unimportant pictures sent to the FBI then put on the
internet by Robin? For what reason?

I'm really lost here...anyone?

Thanks

Not sure, maybe all of the above.

I think Kyle just wanted to show us where the trap would have been behind the FH.  You should ask Kyle why he wanted them posted though 

[Observer]

Hi All...

I'm trying to catch up and could use a little help..

The tele-aruba show was cancelled because
a. The ALE won't allow the show to air (MOS)
b. Patrick has threatened to kill the host if it airs.
c. Peter DeVries has threatened legal action if it airs
d All of the above

B and C were said by Julia Renfro so I wouldnt trust it at all.

[Dayhiker]

It's good to be back home, although the change in climate gave me a wicked head cold.  I was told today that the Persistence was already in Mexico, well ahead of schedule. 

Hope you feel better soon Kyle!  Great to hear that the Persistence is ahead of schedule on the trip home, I know they are anxious to be with their families.  Try some chicken noodle soup for that cold.  The climate here in Texas changes about every 12 hours these days.  Spring flowers and trees are blooming and they are predicting freezing temperatures, sleet and snow for tonight and tomorrow.  I had the air conditioner on last night! 

Zinc, Stinging Nettles and Golden Seal will clear that head cold right up, Kyle.

[Buckeye]

Still thinking shoes...

If Joran told Freddy what happened early Monday am, or Freddy was involved.  Maybe Freddy told Joran he needed to get rid of his shoes because they would see his prints by the mangroves/racquet club/bird sanctuary/wherever (because Natalee was hidden).  Joran whines but they are my good shoes...from the states....Freddy says, I'll buy you a new pair...get rid of them...and stretch your feet....

[Buckeye]

Jackb - that is how Kyle sent it to me.  I have no idea why the white square in the upper right hand corner.

Watermark..removed???   

[Dayhiker]

Hi All...

I'm trying to catch up and could use a little help..

The tele-aruba show was cancelled because
a. The ALE won't allow the show to air (MOS)
b. Patrick has threatened to kill the host if it airs.
c. Peter DeVries has threatened legal action if it airs
d All of the above

B and C were said by Julia Renfro so I wouldnt trust it at all.

And that rules D out as well. Hans must have the hammer down on this for what reason we can only guess because he is about as effective as a one legged man in a butt kickin' contest.

[Buckeye]

Hi All...

I'm trying to catch up and could use a little help..

The tele-aruba show was cancelled because
a. The ALE won't allow the show to air (MOS)
b. Patrick has threatened to kill the host if it airs.
c. Peter DeVries has threatened legal action if it airs
d All of the above

B and C were said by Julia Renfro so I wouldnt trust it at all.

And that rules D out as well. Hans must have the hammer down on this for what reason we can only guess because he is about as effective as a one legged man in a butt kickin' contest.

 

[Dayhiker]

The trap still intrigues me. It is possible that the one found could have been the one that was stolen, but based on what we know thus far, it likely did not contain remains related to this case. However, I think its possible it COULD have contained other items of evidence.

Then again, if that is true, one has to ask the question why go through so much trouble to dispose of clothes, shoes, etc., in such a manner.

THe bottom lines is I don't think the cage we are looking for has been found yet.

Bladerunner...what you say makes sense, but I can't stop thinking the knife/machete rope, etc and maybe other evidence (tennis shoe(s) any other evidence) may have been hastily disposed of in the trap and taken out that night. Natalee may have also been buried near the fish hut and later moved (landfill, water, incinerated??). I guess in this order: they buried Natalee first, then realized they needed to dispose of evidence-thats where the trap comes into play. They probably wouldn't think to take it too far out that night, thus the 90 ft depth. JMO

I'm liking it. But have to wonder why such a large trap for such a few items. Why not bury them, too? Just playing the devil's advocate here, Billb, anything is possible in this case.

[Kiwi]

Hi all- Here is something that may be important. Did Ale actually check the fishermans boat to see if any of Natalee's DNA could be found or blood. Its possible the boat that could transport a trap was sitting there all along. Next question did they keep the keys in the hut?

[Bladerunner]

The trap still intrigues me. It is possible that the one found could have been the one that was stolen, but based on what we know thus far, it likely did not contain remains related to this case. However, I think its possible it COULD have contained other items of evidence.

Then again, if that is true, one has to ask the question why go through so much trouble to dispose of clothes, shoes, etc., in such a manner.

THe bottom lines is I don't think the cage we are looking for has been found yet.

Bladerunner...what you say makes sense, but I can't stop thinking the knife/machete rope, etc and maybe other evidence (tennis shoe(s) any other evidence) may have been hastily disposed of in the trap and taken out that night. Natalee may have also been buried near the fish hut and later moved (landfill, water, incinerated??). I guess in this order: they buried Natalee first, then realized they needed to dispose of evidence-thats where the trap comes into play. They probably wouldn't think to take it too far out that night, thus the 90 ft depth. JMO

That scenario could very well have happened. If your pressed for time you might not think to go out too far either. Are you thinking that a fisherman's boat was involved or a "freinds boat?"