Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 - 3/7/08

[klaasend]

OK, I took the original photo from January 05 and cropped it to blew it to 200 %, then I flipped it. Then I took Blonde's photo from Aru-Bay video #24 and selected all and blew that to 150% and combined both.

They are the same boat in my opinion.

If that boat is always there, wouldn't it make sense that it would be in the video?

[ala_gunslinger]

OK, I took the original photo from January 05 and cropped it to blew it to 200 %, then I flipped it. Then I took Blonde's photo from Aru-Bay video #24 and selected all and blew that to 150% and combined both.

They are the same boat in my opinion.

Man, you can almost make out the hull number!

[Destiny]

WARNING:  *Speculation Alert*...

Walking out to the *tip* of the limb here....this is my main cliff notes theory of how things went down...Natalee was the victim of a larger group than J2K...Natalee was taken to the Sloot house...this being the *last* place she was taken that evening....something *very bad* did happen to Natalee there...a lot of evidence in the Sloot house...including Natalee, when Beth and parties arrived at the Sloot house...the Sloots did not expect Beth to arrive...and especially not so soon....Beth denied access to Sloot house...Paulus the Perv sweating buckets...Joran and friends arrive not dressed for Casino....

Trap from 6 Robin photos *does* contain items pertaining to this case....Natalee is under the new concrete at Sloot house...as now that Beth and media is on Aruba...attemps to dispose of Natalee at dump...and a possible few other places...puts the perps in too much spotlight....Natalee returned to Sloot house...as it is the only place that Perps *know* cannot be investigated in full....Natalee moved to several locations on the Sloot Property....final resting place under concrete....the Sloots cannot leave the house now...too much speculation about the new concrete out there in the public ....BTW....when was the last time that the *whole* Sloot family has been away from the house...all at the same time...since all this shit has happened...

OK...so there....I'm teetering on the tip of the limb....but just had to get this off my chest...

[Tamikosmom]

The words of Tim Miller, Dave Holloway, Beth Holloway, Tim Trahan and Louis Schafer imply that the contents of the cage which the crew of the Persistance located had no connection to Natalee Holloway and ... as the end of February there were more targets to search.

Janet

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Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008

Greta: Tim are they absolutely certain that this is not a piece of clothing belonging to Natalee Holloway?

MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


Tim Miller/Tim Trahan
Dateline
February 22, 2008

(On the boat) Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

Chris Hansen: That had to be a crushing blow.

Tim Miller: It was a crushing blow.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Tim Miller/Dave Holloway/Beth Holloway
Dateline
February 22, 2008

Chris Hansen: How hard is it for you to dial their numbers and tell them that this in fact is not the break in the case we-- we hoped for?

Tim Miller: Probably one of the hardest calls I ever made. Probably one of the hardest … probably should have never made the first one. But everything looked right at the time.

Natalee’s father was at home in Mississippi when the call came.

Chris Hansen: What was it like for you to, once again, have a setback?

Dave Holloway: That's probably about the time that-- the chest pains intensified to an extreme. I mean, how many times can I take this?

Beth Holloway: You know, it's a disappointment. But, you have to look at the magnitude and the sacrifices being made even to get to that point.

Chris Hansen: You didn't know these folks before this happened. What do they represent to you now?
 
Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.
 
To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

To All media
From The Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 26, 2008

Pages 1

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match.


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008

Greta: Tim are they absolutely certain that this is not a piece of clothing belonging to Natalee Holloway?

Tim: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA ...


Tim Trahan
ABC - Eyewitness News
February 28, 2008

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


Louis Schafer
ABC - Eyewitness News
February 28, 2008

"By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said. "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."

<snipped>

"So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea," he said.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


Hans Mos
Dutch Television
February 28, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxrrK53GOOA

Quote from: JE on February 28, 2008, 07:47:39 AM
He talks about the persistence search says they re looking for a needle in a haystack. He says its a difficult search assuming the needle and haystack even exist.

[Rob]

yes Klaas, it's always there unless it's being used to fish or possibly being used for body disposal.

Now, answer me this ->

Kyle says the trap missing was located behind the hut, and not inside. We heard that the hut was broken into and a knife was missing. But, what if that is where the keys to the boat were also kept. Breaking into the hut makes no sense unless there was something in the hut that was also needed.

Hodges says that the trap is much smaller and I made the point a few weeks ago that the trap found by the Persistence was too large to fit through the door. Kyle has cleared that up.

So, why break into the hut if the trap is readily available?

I suggest that could be where the keys were located.

[Rob]

OK, I took the original photo from January 05 and cropped it to blew it to 200 %, then I flipped it. Then I took Blonde's photo from Aru-Bay video #24 and selected all and blew that to 150% and combined both.

They are the same boat in my opinion.

Man, you can almost make out the hull number!

Hi GS and good morning,

I believe that is the name of the boat and not a number. I have seen names on the side of those boats.

[katrien]

The trolls show very often a little tape containing a couple with big sunglases telling Beth: "Beth you know, bla,bla,bla,bla.
The trolls tell the woman of this couple is an ex-friend of Natalee's mother.

Other stories say that this couple are detectives.

One of the posters give a link to their? site. Fortunetellers?

[klaasend]

The trolls show very often a little tape containing a couple with big sunglases telling Beth: "Beth you know, bla,bla,bla,bla.
The trolls tell the woman of this couple is an ex-friend of Natalee's mother.

Other stories say that this couple are detectives.

One of the posters give a link to their? site. Fortunetellers?

Kelly & Young are psychics and they are FOS

http://www.guidedlight.com/

[ala_gunslinger]

yes Klaas, it's always there unless it's being used to fish or possibly being used for body disposal.

Now, answer me this ->

Kyle says the trap missing was located behind the hut, and not inside. We heard that the hut was broken into and a knife was missing. But, what if that is where the keys to the boat were also kept. Breaking into the hut makes no sense unless there was something in the hut that was also needed.

Hodges says that the trap is much smaller and I made the point a few weeks ago that the trap found by the Persistence was too large to fit through the door. Kyle has cleared that up.

So, why break into the hut if the trap is readily available?

I suggest that could be where the keys were located.

Not all boats require keys.

[Anna]

Yes, it is true that the Aruban Minister of Justice puts his faith in psychics instead of his own OM and investigators.

But then what can one expect of someone caught with two or three sex slaves being held against their will?  Where are the charges for his doing that?

Perhaps that would be something to send to Hero Brinkman?  Anyone have detailed information on Rudy and the sex slaves?  Maybe we should send that to Mr. Brinkman.

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[oceanexploration]

As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process. 
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing. 

[ala_gunslinger]

OK, I took the original photo from January 05 and cropped it to blew it to 200 %, then I flipped it. Then I took Blonde's photo from Aru-Bay video #24 and selected all and blew that to 150% and combined both.

They are the same boat in my opinion.

Man, you can almost make out the hull number!

Hi GS and good morning,

I believe that is the name of the boat and not a number. I have seen names on the side of those boats.

Name on the bow?  OK, I'll take your word for it!

[Rob]

Not all boats require keys.

True.

[KatzHome]

Good morning, Bearly{{{hugs}}}  ::MonkeyWink::that makes Bear Hugs!

Wish you were still here to say hello to... and yeah ~ I'm slowly figuring out that things aren't as good as Eric told me...

::sigh:: well, as I've said before ~ there will be justice in the end, if not before...

And yeah ~ I'll pop in here in the mornings before Mass ~ that when you're usually around? just to say hi!

In short, No.  I am sure by now another monkey has set you straight.

Katz, I have been missing my other bear-pal in the cage.  Come back and visit.

[Anna]

The trolls show very often a little tape containing a couple with big sunglases telling Beth: "Beth you know, bla,bla,bla,bla.
The trolls tell the woman of this couple is an ex-friend of Natalee's mother.

Other stories say that this couple are detectives.

One of the posters give a link to their? site. Fortunetellers?

I don't understand why the trolls continue with this line when we have Joran on tape confessing.  I suppose they just attribute his whole ten or so confessions as idle pratter and yet take the word of just anybody when it come to bashing Beth?

Maybe those in the sunglasses are the friends of Julia who were working for AHATA from the start.  One real friend of Beth's was contacted and she said she never said what those two psychics claim they have her on tape that no one has ever actually hears.

They lie. 

[Buckeye]

Anna

I've always kept the book open about Val.  Would make mom and dad REALLY defend Joran.  He, atleast knows if he was on the computer and if it was him, why up so late, on a school night.

Poncho (teleruba) is also a spiritualist/yogo whatever.  Renee and the psychics probably sleep at his house.  Someone needs to tell him that if he wants the US to take him seriously, he needs to spell the name (first and last) of the VICTIM, accurately.  When he does that, I'll figure out his real name.

[KatzHome]

Ok guys, my working day is done, was alone in office all day so...




See ya later!

Jo-An ~ you are so cool ~ thanks again and sweet dreams.

[Destiny]

O/T   LOL...just cracked open a furtune cooky from Chinese din-din from the other night...fortune reads:

*investige new possibilities with friends, now is the time*

What a hoot!

[ala_gunslinger]

O/T   LOL...just cracked open a furtune cooky from Chinese din-din from the other night...fortune reads:

*investige new possibilities with friends, now is the time*

What a hoot!

Now THAT IS funny!

[Destiny]

O/T   LOL...just cracked open a furtune cooky from Chinese din-din from the other night...fortune reads:

*investige new possibilities with friends, now is the time*

What a hoot!

Now THAT IS funny!

Yep...'tis funny ...just taped it to my monitor...LOL