Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[Rob]

In other words Holland will cover up the cover-up?

Well, I would hope not. Especially for the good people of Holland's sake... some who post here. They deserve to know that Jansen is not prosecuting them after what she did. She should be no where near any court room. Same goes for Paulus and why he is still in possession of a law license is mind boggling. He sure didn't help anyone during the driver license scandal and his clients were convicted. He's one crappy father and attorney.

This being a separate matter  - it does not require Natalee's body to be found. It's totally separate.

[dennisintn]

I wonder how small Natalee was compared to him.   


       

jvds is supposedly 6'4", natalee was 5"4".  natalee weighed a max of ll0 lb. jvds looked to be over 200lbs., lots of baby fat, not muscle.
dennisintn

[Bearlyhere]

O/T

Is the Auburn Video Press Conference over for Lauren Burk?  I just keep getting a blank screen.

[Bladerunner]

Poentje is only going to leave out the 'dump the body' part because Hans Mos asked him this...and Poentje says he will do what the OM Aruba are asking him to do (to help the investigation)...but then he gives out the information.

Not just bleep the names like the OM Aruba asked but leave out the "dump the body part" completely?

Jeah wright, I understand.

So the big question here is: Does Patrick really know anything more than we've already heard from the PDVies show or is all this a bunch of trivial flivver over Patrick speculating about what and who he thinks is involved?

I would have to believe that Patrick is not that stupid as to hide information here. What would be the motive, I can think of only one and that would be if he was going to get a payoff from VDS. This is highly unlikely in my opinion.

If he was going to withhold info for use in his book, well, what happens when that info comes out when the book is released, he would be in hot water then and look like a criminal himself. Again, highly unlikely this is what is going on.

A few other points: OE said that Patrick was paranoid about being secretly recorded when he met with the Persistence crew. Also, he was relaxed recently with Peter and Beth on the Dutch tv show. Finally, if this information was his "ace" in the hole, so to speak, you would guard it with your life.

In the end this BS will all come to light for what it is, an annoying distraction that has temporarily shifted the spotlight away from Joran and Paulus and the corrupt.

[klaasend]

O/T

Is the Auburn Video Press Conference over for Lauren Burk?  I just keep getting a blank screen.

Yes it's over.  They talked about the arrest and that they have known for a while the person they were looking for (I forget how they knew).  He's being charged with capital murder and attempted rape.

[private eye]

I see there is a few Van Der Sloots here in the U.S. Most notably Michigan..I wonder if they have any relation to the Van Der Sloots involved in this case?

http://www.linkedin.com/find/v/v166.html

My inlaws went on a European trip several months ago and she just told me recently that their trip guide was a lady with the last name Vandersloot.  I think it is a fairly common name over there.   I wouldn't think here in the states.  I did notice when looking on the genealogy pages that there were some that had been born in Holland and died in Michigan.

It's just that there is a obvious Anti-Natalee connection to this case in Michigan and has been since the beginning...But you are right there are lot's of Van Der Sloots in Holland and elsewhere in europe..Hard to say for sure which one may be his brother..Ko teaches at Pauls alma matter while I think a couple of others resemble him..They are being protected for a reason and something fishy is going on with the Mother country and there Investigation.IMO

There is a Judge Posner up in that area

[Rob]

I see there is a few Van Der Sloots here in the U.S. Most notably Michigan..I wonder if they have any relation to the Van Der Sloots involved in this case?

http://www.linkedin.com/find/v/v166.html

My inlaws went on a European trip several months ago and she just told me recently that their trip guide was a lady with the last name Vandersloot.  I think it is a fairly common name over there.   I wouldn't think here in the states.  I did notice when looking on the genealogy pages that there were some that had been born in Holland and died in Michigan.

It's just that there is a obvious Anti-Natalee connection to this case in Michigan and has been since the beginning...But you are right there are lot's of Van Der Sloots in Holland and elsewhere in europe..Hard to say for sure which one may be his brother..Ko teaches at Pauls alma matter while I think a couple of others resemble him..They are being protected for a reason and something fishy is going on with the Mother country and there Investigation.IMO

There is a Judge Posner up in that area

Michael Posner (owner of Excelsior casino and Brickel Bay hotel) is not his real name.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

[GBMW]

A quote from Patrick van der Eem:

"I'm really sorry I can't talk to you right now; then he refers to Peter Schouten (his & Peter R. de Vries' PR agent). "Everything I say is being twisted so I'm really sorry, but I can't talk to anybody"

He was being friendly; apologetic about not being able to answer questions.
This is too bad though; this probably means he won't be giving any more interviews at the moment & he has given lots of extra information about Joran in interviews.

Or maybe they want to wait with a reaction until tomorrow...

Peter R. de Vries hasn't had a new column about this either...and that's a bit weird. He has stated that he doesn't understand what all the fuss is about so maybe that's why hasn't responded through his website. But as he stated: he doesn't know Papiamento, hasn't seen the total broadcast so he can't really react to what's been said....but it seems it's not just a word or a sentence that is supposed to be misinterpreted...so how can he say that it's just a lot of fuss about nothing?

[Bladerunner]

In other words Holland will cover up the cover-up?

Well, I would hope not. Especially for the good people of Holland's sake... some who post here. They deserve to know that Jansen is not prosecuting them after what she did. She should be no where near any court room. Same goes for Paulus and why he is still in possession of a law license is mind boggling. He sure didn't help anyone during the driver license scandal and his clients were convicted. He's one crappy father and attorney.

This being a separate matter  - it does not require Natalee's body to be found. It's totally separate.

Well, if those involved that are under Dutch jurisdiction are allowed to skate free and clear, then sadly, the people of Holland will suffer the consequences. Boycott Holland?? Absolutely, if they sit on their hands.

[Nut44x4]

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

nooooooo...it is not Joran's site!

[Blonde]

Poentje

"Poen" is slang for "money" in Dutch.
"tje" means little.

That's probably what he makes in a year, little money, with an audience of 15 per show. 

i googled poentje and i found this:
http://www.straatwoordenboek.nl/letter/P/poentje 

I did a search and got this

Uitzendverbod voor 'bekentenis' Van der Eem - RADIO NEDERLAND ...
Van der Eem is de 'infiltrant', die Joran van der Sloot in het programma van ... Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Patrick van der Eem, Peter R de Vries, Poentje Castro ...
antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080307_vandereem

[Dayhiker]

In other words Holland will cover up the cover-up?

Well, I would hope not. Especially for the good people of Holland's sake... some who post here. They deserve to know that Jansen is not prosecuting them after what she did. She should be no where near any court room. Same goes for Paulus and why he is still in possession of a law license is mind boggling. He sure didn't help anyone during the driver license scandal and his clients were convicted. He's one crappy father and attorney.

This being a separate matter  - it does not require Natalee's body to be found. It's totally separate.

Ditto on the good folks of Holland part, they deserve to know just as much as we do. The Aruban/Dutch have made a complete mockery out of their system.

You cannot separate the murder from the cover-up due to Joran's comments about seizures. This has to implicate Van der Straten and Jannsen so they cannot be excluded from the murder investigation.

Hans: "Mr. Van der Straten/Ms. Jannsen, we have a confssion from Joran where he says that Miss holloway had seizures so he threw her in the ocean. We also have multiple testimonies from the family that they were asked on numerous occasions, within 48 hours even, whether the victim was prone to seizures.

Yet we do not have that in Mr. Van der Sloot's statements, in fact we do not have any of his early statements in the case files. Why is that Mr. Van der Straten/Ms. Jansen?" [/b]

[Nut44x4]

http://www.zorpia.com/friend/username/loverboy362
Ummmmm.......I think Grace is/was a man 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

nooooooo...it is not Joran's site!

lol....ok

[Destiny]

Quotes from an interview with Poentje:

Concering the quotes around 'dumping the body': it will be left out of the broadcast of tomorrow. Poentje promised Hans Mos (Hans Mos asked him to bleep it out; Poentje said he would leave it out completely).

According to Poentje this is what Patrick claimed:
BEFORE the airing of the Peter R. de Vriesshow Joran called Patrick. Joran asked him for 2000 Euros. He needed that money to give it to the person who helped him with dumping the body. Patrick gave the money to Joran.

Patrick then start taling about that it's easy now...just follow where the money has been sent....besides I know who it is.
Poentje: Then Patrick says were he lives, in what part of Holland he lives.
The reporter asks Poentje: Does he (Patrick) mentions a name?
Poentje: he doesn't say a name; but he mentions where he lives.
Reporter: He knows him?
Poentje: He knows him very well. Patrick also says he's hiding with Joran in the Netherlands.

This is a little weird:
* If Joran has so much money for weed, gambling, lending money to friends etc. why would he ask for money?
* Why would Joran ask for money from Patrick at that time? Maybe he asked him AFTER he confessed but BEFORE he knew he was set up??

Maybe this is information that shouldn't have leaked? But if this was going on & the police now about this....why did it take so long before Patrick was at the OM in Aruba for questioning?
And I wonder if Peter R. de Vries knows about this? Because if these quotes are correct, if Patrick actually said them, then it's a bit weird that Peter R. de Vries is laughing it off with remarks concerning translation / interpretation etc.

Why didn't Pontje go to the police with it right away instead of putting a teaser on the air for MOS to hear?  He is not any better.  DeVries showed ALE the tapes first, did Pontius Pontje?  What is his connection to Joran?
Patrick does mention money for Daury in the car, isn't that how he gets info about him?

When Pontje says he is not going to air it, why does he then tell what he is not going to air?  If you talk about it and don't show it, all that is told is your biased (he shows this on his zorpia site) opinion of someone you don't like and are trying to discredit.  Anyone smell a skunk?

What if Patrick went on the air and said. "Joran said.......," and we never saw the tapes?  Isn't this what Poentje is doing?  Is this going to be heresay?

I had ears to hear and eyes to see Joran, all this smoke and mirors doesn't change a thing about Joran, imo.  He intended to make bucks selling drugs.  I think that is why he didn't mention any other names, he wanted to look like a tough guy so he could sell drugs in a big way.  Why did he even bother to apply to college, do you need a degree to sell pot now?

Another thing, if Joran didn't know what he was saying because he was high, then how does he know he didn't kill Natalee, wasn't he high then, too?

Pontje's connection to joran is his 17 yo relative named Marriene or something like that.

Thanks, Karma.  I read that after I posted.

Karma is coming, Joran and when it heads your way, you better duck!!!

The Karma Bus is very BIG....he can't duck this one...singing this song today....the wheels on the bus go round and round....

[GBMW]

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

nooooooo...it is not Joran's site!

How do you know? Sorry, I don't know a lot about online profiles - Internet etc. But it states he's been a member since jan. 2005, loverboy362 as his username, some of his friends are known and there is a photo of Floor on this site (a friend of his...this I know for sure)....
Do you know his real site then? Or is this just a really good fake one?

[Rob]

Dayhiker, just to clarify.

The issues are intertwined but separate. Follow me?

The investigation into what happened to Natalee is one issue and the corrupt that sprung from that issue is another.

This happens when those in authority do not do the right thing. i.e. Nifong.

Now if there are no consequences to those that purposefully destroyed evidence, tampered with evidence, changed facts, ignored facts, then that will empower others to believe that they can get away with it also.

In a perfect world Natalee would be found. Those that committed the crimes against Natalee would be prosecuted and convicted. Then the corruption would be on display and those folks would then be tried and convicted in their roles.

In this case, should Natalee never be found, it might be that only those that conspired in the cover-up are convicted.... such the irony. 

[GabbyG]

Oh Bearly...You are sooooooooo Sweet...garsh darn...you warm my heart....yep....I tend to stay logged in on a tab...ever since the big melt down in here...I don't take chances on getting booted out...if that is a big no-no for the cage...someone needs to let me know....
[/quote]

Hi Destiny! You know what?  I too stay in the Monkey cage and dont shut the page down, except to reboot every couple of days or so. I do that because it takes me SO long to get back into the cage because of my internet issues here, plus the pop ups. I sit here 24/7 for the most part, and that's the reason. Also, if I have a LOT of reading to do in the cage, I open a second window and switch back and forth...while reading one page, the next page is loading. One of the many blessings of living so far out in the country is that we dont have high speed connections available to us way out here for anything less then $700 initial set up fee, and I cant justify that.   

Hey Destiny, would you E mail me some info about your resport, please? It sounded wonderful! My E mail is njackson1245@neto.com
Thanks!

[Nut44x4]

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

nooooooo...it is not Joran's site!

How do you know? Sorry, I don't know a lot about online profiles - Internet etc. But it states he's been a member since jan. 2005, loverboy362 as his username, some of his friends are known and there is a photo of Floor on this site (a friend of his...this I know for sure)....
Do you know his real site then? Or is this just a really good fake one?

grrrrr.......sorry my patience is wearing thin this day.
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute  IS NOT Joran's site

http://www.zorpia.com/loverboy362/album/-1/profile_photos  IS