Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[klaasend]

Capslock - can I ask you a question?  Seems as though there are alot of really bad car accidents in Aruba for such a small place.  Do you think it's because of the party atmosphere?  It appears this year so far has been especially bad.

[Bladerunner]

I like your humor Caps  I didn't expect that coming from you! 

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.



 

Whatever is up with the pond I too hope we get to THE DAY sooner rather than later.

This entire affair is simply absurd at this point.

[CapsLockWizard]

Capslock - can I ask you a question?  Seems as though there are alot of really bad car accidents in Aruba for such a small place.  Do you think it's because of the party atmosphere?  It appears this year so far has been especially bad.

I have to say Yes. even in long Island I never seen so much accident. The Problem is simple...To much party, DWI, etc.

What I notice is that you do not need money get drunk.

Just walk in a casino and pretend to sit a slot machine and ask for Vodka coke, Whisky etc. after a couple of those, you are done for the night but you are not home yet, you still have to drive.

Other is speed. I just saw another mustang in completly gone just becuase these young kids where speeding.

The island do ot have the roads for those fancy fast cars. They do not have the infrastructure and there is to many cars.


The in

[Observer]

I like your humor Caps  I didn't expect that coming from you! 

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.



 

Thanks for the laugh it was much appreciated Although Robots is deeply missed it is good to see you pick up some of his optimism as it is much needed.

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I don't have any great jokes at the moment but maybe this will make someone smile:) I know it's OT but it's needed! 

Notice how he nonchalantly walks and looks around like he's just a average bird on a stroll..Then he grab's the chips and run's like hell

[klaasend]

Capslock - can I ask you a question?  Seems as though there are alot of really bad car accidents in Aruba for such a small place.  Do you think it's because of the party atmosphere?  It appears this year so far has been especially bad.

I have to say Yes. even in long Island I never seen so much accident. The Problem is simple...To much party, DWI, etc.

What I notice is that you do not need money get drunk.

Just walk in a casino and pretend to sit a slot machine and ask for Vodka coke, Whisky etc. after a couple of those, you are done for the night but you are not home yet, you still have to drive.

Other is speed. I just saw another mustang in completly gone just becuase these young kids where speeding.

The island do ot have the roads for those fancy fast cars. They do not have the infrastructure and there is to many cars.


The in

Yes I saw the photos of the Mustang on the 24ora site.  I think the article said something about 5 gravely injured. 

You hit the nail on the head.  Your roads aren't built for speed and too many DUI.

[Observer]

Van der Eem threatens TV-presenter Castro

Poentje Castro during his interview met Patrick van der Eem.

ORANJESTAD -- Patrick van der Eem has threatened Poentje Castro of the programme Un Dia Den Bida, with death.  That’s what Castro said today and he wants to report this with the police.  He showed the recording he made from Van der Eem live on TV last Sunday.  Van der Eem called Castro on the phone immediately after the broadcast; he was very angry.

The conversation with Van der Eem was recorded two weeks ago.  A second camera kept rolling after the interview, and Van der Eem evidently didn’t know this.  That movie ended up on YouTube, and Nieuwe Revu had the interview translated into Dutch.  Van der Eem said at certain point during the interview that he had known Joran van der Sloot for years.  He also said that he knows who had thrown Natalee Holloway into the sea.

TELEARUBA

The integral interview was going to be shown on TeleAruba yesterday evening at 21:00, after part of the interview was already showing on YouTube.  Castro says that TeleAruba management didn’t venture to do this, because they were afraid to be sued.  TeleCuracao and the Dutch current affairs Nova and De wereld draait door have indicated their interest in broadcasting the integral images.   Director Robert Kelly of TeleAruba said in a reaction that the recordings are ‘illegal’.  “The person in the recording didn’t know that he was being recorded and that can have legal consequences.”

What’s important for Castro is that ‘the questionable image’ of Van der Eem is shown.  “Van der Eem is a dubious person with a big mouth.  His scar shows that the underworld had already made that clear; they mutilated him.  With what he told me, he confessed who he really is.  He says that he wants to help the Aruban people solve the case, but what he really wants is make money.  He wants to become a millionaire.”

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

[Bladerunner]

I like your humor Caps  I didn't expect that coming from you! 

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.



 

Thanks for the laugh it was much appreciated Although Robots is deeply missed it is good to see you pick up some of his optimism as it is much needed.

===============
I don't have any great jokes at the moment but maybe this will make someone smile:) I know it's OT but it's needed! 

Notice how he nonchalantly walks and looks around like he's just a average bird on a stroll..Then he grab's the chips and run's like hell

HAHAHAH!!!

Clearly, that bird has a "personality disorder!"

 

[Bladerunner]

Funny how this idiot is unwilling to hold Joran and Paulus to the same standard he is now trying to hold Patrick up to. If he really gave a dam about his pathetic island he would have gone out of his way and used his tv status as a vehicle to chronicle the greed that both Joran and Paulus have exhibited throughout this entire ordeal.

It's not enough to rape and murder someone, they also need to cash in on it after the fact.

I guess this story line simply isn't appealing to Pentjo or whatever this pricks name is.

[finngirl]

I believe Lorenzo may be involved somewhere mainly because so many Arubans came out on the blogs to defend him IMMEDIATELY.  Seems everything we hear coming out of Aruba turns to be just the opposite.  Therefore, in my mind, that makes me suspicious of Lorenzo.

I believe Lorenzo may be involved somehwere mainly because so many Arubans came out on the blogs to defend him IMMEDIATELY.  Seems everything we hear coming out of Aruba turns to be just the opposite.  Therefore, in my mind, that makes me suspicious of Lorenzo.

yes, but ...

also true that in the very beginning, first 2-3 weeks ...
many arubans were willing to "give him up"

ie: that's how we knew his name/reputation,
it came from the locals

NativeLingo: in fact, his was the first name I heard ...
plus the many posts from aia/american in aruba and arubagirl

Peeps/webmaster of Aruba Speed Shop site
(actually at least two persons sharing the nic)
was interested enough in what was being said
to come to theory/speculation stating:
Max Arendsz is one of my best friends/we go everywhere together ...
we don't know Lorenzo/don't want to know him/we mind our own business

yet a couple weeks later he provided Lorenzo-in-van photo

also said:
this is not the first time someone has tried
to connect us w/ the fatass dutchy (meaning JvdS)

sandraK said that Lorenzo
"runs w/ Max Arendsz and Orlando Bello of the Speed Shop"

many were questioned, for sure ...
but how many had searches conducted?

Lorenzo did

from the earliest days/weeks
we had overlapping circles of info/involvement ...
followed by mis-direction ...
which originated w/ the locals

meaning ... ?

[finngirl]

sorry, didn't mean to quote ts2 twice

[hotping]

Caps Could You go over to the Shango thread and see if You can translate the post by Katrien...TIA 

[Katherine]

HI all.  Sorry, I know this is our of context, but am trying to catch up today.  I have a question:  How did they know where to call Joran?  There are so many stories going around.....he is in a psychiatric clinic, he is hiding in Germany, he is home with grandma in Netherlands.  But someone on this show knew where he was.  How?  Just very curious because I'm trying to figure out whether Peter and Patrick are keeping tabs on Joran or the other way around.  TIA

PS.  Am new posting here, but I've been reading and trying to educate myself for over a month.  I live in Austin and have followed this case from afar since the beginning, and got so upset about the backlash against Beth et al that I decided I wanted to get involved and do what I can. You guys are AMAZING!! I'll jump back in later when I get more caught up.   

also Poentjes says: (hiding) in Germany? - and Patrick says yes.
but elsewhere Poentje says Patrick said hiding in The Netherlands.

but rumours were Joran was in hiding in Germany.
is Patrick only telling the rumours or does he know something himself?

When Joran was called in the Jensen show; the transfer of calling sounded normal. Normally when you call abroad the sound is different...but maybe I'm mistaken. Or he was in the Netherlands for visit to his grandma

When you call a number in Germany the tone is the same as calling someone in Holland.
(I work for a German company, I make calls to Germany every day.  )
Calling to the UK and USA has a different tone (2 short tones instead of 1 longer one)

[Observer]

Funny how this idiot is unwilling to hold Joran and Paulus to the same standard he is now trying to hold Patrick up to. If he really gave a dam about his pathetic island he would have gone out of his way and used his tv status as a vehicle to chronicle the greed that both Joran and Paulus have exhibited throughout this entire ordeal.

It's not enough to rape and murder someone, they also need to cash in on it after the fact.

I guess this story line simply isn't appealing to Pentjo or whatever this pricks name is.

He stated twice what his goal was and that was to make Patrick the bad guy and destroy his credibility. He even pulled the turned off camera trick but kept filming,I am sure the Van Der Sloots applauded his efforts.

What’s important for Castro is that ‘the questionable image’ of Van der Eem is shown. 

"My goal is to show that Van der Eem a questionable figure"

[Bearlyhere]

I like your humor Caps  I didn't expect that coming from you! 

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.



 

Thanks for the laugh it was much appreciated Although Robots is deeply missed it is good to see you pick up some of his optimism as it is much needed.

===============
I don't have any great jokes at the moment but maybe this will make someone smile:) I know it's OT but it's needed! 

Notice how he nonchalantly walks and looks around like he's just a average bird on a stroll..Then he grab's the chips and run's like hell

HAHAHAH!!!

Clearly, that bird has a "personality disorder!"

 

He was under the influence of Nachos.

Case dismissed!

   

[Kermit]

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6/9/2006 12:42 PM
Hey my baby girl. Keep on laughing. We will make it through. Can you say "dysfunctional?"
ha, ha.
We will always have each other.
Love and hugs, from your favorite sister. Xxoo

[Bearlyhere]

HI all.  Sorry, I know this is our of context, but am trying to catch up today.  I have a question:  How did they know where to call Joran?  There are so many stories going around.....he is in a psychiatric clinic, he is hiding in Germany, he is home with grandma in Netherlands.  But someone on this show knew where he was.  How?  Just very curious because I'm trying to figure out whether Peter and Patrick are keeping tabs on Joran or the other way around.  TIA

PS.  Am new posting here, but I've been reading and trying to educate myself for over a month.  I live in Austin and have followed this case from afar since the beginning, and got so upset about the backlash against Beth et al that I decided I wanted to get involved and do what I can. You guys are AMAZING!! I'll jump back in later when I get more caught up.   

also Poentjes says: (hiding) in Germany? - and Patrick says yes.
but elsewhere Poentje says Patrick said hiding in The Netherlands.

but rumours were Joran was in hiding in Germany.
is Patrick only telling the rumours or does he know something himself?

When Joran was called in the Jensen show; the transfer of calling sounded normal. Normally when you call abroad the sound is different...but maybe I'm mistaken. Or he was in the Netherlands for visit to his grandma

When you call a number in Germany the tone is the same as calling someone in Holland.
(I work for a German company, I make calls to Germany every day.  )
Calling to the UK and USA has a different tone (2 short tones instead of 1 longer one)

Hi Catherine and welcome to the cage.

I thought they called Joran on his cell phone.

[katrien]

On Fok  subject  “Gesprek Joran v.d.Sloot en broers Kalpoe afgeluisterd op 29-06-2005”
this was posted:

quote]Op dinsdag 4 maart 2008 13:19 schreef duikkie het volgende:
Pagina 2

J zegt tegen D : --------------------------------" dan jullie shit vertellen over de choller "
-------------------------------------------------- ik heb jouw met dat shit van de choller geholpen vriend "
D zegt tegen J : --------------------------------" dat heb ik ook gezegd "
J zegt tegen D : --------------------------------" zo heb ik het niet gelezen,ik heb die verklaring ook gelezen"
S zegt tegen J : --------------------------------" dat van die choller was van mij "
S of D tegen J : --------------------------------" dat heb ik al eerder verteld "
-------------------------------------------------" dat heb ik ook in mijn eerste verklaring gezegd "
-------------------------------------------------" dat heb ik voor mezelf gedaan "
S zegt tegen J : --------------------------------" ik heb het in mijn belang gezegd "
J zegt terug : --------------------------------" dat zeggen de politie tegen mij nu "
J zegt tegen S of D : ---------------------------" politie zegt nu net tegen mij van, (dus)
-------------------------------------------------- als jullie tegen mij ingaan, ga ik ook tegen jullie "
Gebroeders lachen : -----------------------------" hehehehehehehe "
S tegen J : -------------------------------------" wij zetten jou niet in problemen "
-------------------------------------------------" wij zeggen gewoon de waarheid "
J zegt tegen broers : ---------------------------" dat doen jullie niet "
-------------------------------------------------" de helft wat jullie hebben gezegd is niet de f***ing waarheid "
-------------------------------------------------" het komt wel naar voren "
-------------------------------------------------" net zoals ze mij checken, checken zij jullie ook "
S zegt tegen J : --------------------------------" bij ons,bij ons kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou niet "
-------------------------------------------------" bij leugens krijg je geen bewijzen "
J


Bij die opmerkingen over "choller" staan steeds vraagtekens. Ergens heb ik gelezen dat dit misschien wel "chauffeur" moet zijn. Maar kijk eens in het andere topic, op de blog van Joran. Dan zie je dat hij een hond heeft (gehad) die Choller heet(te). Vaag herinner ik me dat ik gelezen heb dat er iets met een hond gebeurd is bij de Van der Slootjes.

Wie van jullie weet daar meer van?

"By the remarks about “choller”  are question marks. I read  some were that  ”choller” means  “driver”.  But look in the other topic, on Joran’s block. There you can read that Joran had a dog named Choller. Vaguely I remember that I read that there was something happened with a dog at the  vdS’s.
Does anybody know more about this?"

The conversation between the boys is very strange.
It looks like they made-up a story about the choller.
Has the story anything to do with blood in the car and cleaning up the car in the middle of the night?

[hotping]

Never mind Caps...Now its in this thread...LOL 

[Observer]

quote]

"By the remarks about “choller”  are question marks. I read  some were that  ”choller” means  “driver”.  But look in the other topic, on Joran’s block. There you can read that Joran had a dog named Choller. Vaguely I remember that I read that there was something happened with a dog at the  vdS’s.
Does anybody know more about this?"

The conversation between the boys is very strange.
It looks like they made-up a story about the choller.
Has the story anything to do with blood in the car and cleaning up the car in the middle of the night?

Choller is a drug addict in Aruba apparently also was the name of Joran's dog. We did hear much about this fight with the Choller and I do not know why. From what I have seen Deepak said he cleaned his car because of ants or sand in his car. We know from a witness,that he was seen with Satish and another boy cleaning his car at 3AM the day Natalee went missing,it was parked in a strange part of the house and looked suspicious. Art Wood also told us that Deepak looked into long term storage for his car.
Beth in her Book said that Deepak's car was already at the police station on May 31st at 8AM hours before he said he arrived to give his statement.

Peter R reported that Joran killed his own dog with I believe a paintball gun and tried to blame it on someone else. Also at RWV there was much talk/rumors about Lorenzo killing dogs. We know that there was a Mattress saturated with blood found on June 5th 2005 with a dead dog found nearby. Within 3 hours they determined it was Dogs blood only and not connected to Natalee,this was the same news conference announcing they arrested the two security guards. Also early in the case they had breaking news that Natalee was found in a abandoned casino I believe the Allegro,all that was found was a dead dog.

[klaasend]

Welcome Katherine!


GOODNIGHT ALL!