Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[Anna]

Someone in the MSM showed them the photo having taken it from Webshots I believe.  Was not on any of the MB cameras.  Also don't think anyone actually "collected" the cameras, just ask to share any pertinent photos, etc. 

You can't take cameras without a search warrant and I am pretty sure not all the kids would be willing to just hand theirs over.  Am also sure they would share any photos they had with the family voluntarily without their cameras being confiscated.

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[Buckeye]

I thought they saw the pic on Carlos and Charley's web site and commented that he had on the same clothes.

[Ono]

Me, too, San.  Laces on the front and no heel. 

Could be but I always thought they looked like one of the Timberland models.  For instance:

http://www.timberland.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2475637&cp=1779791.1761081.1761135&view=all&pageDisplay=superfamily%2Cfilter&pageType=family&int_nextBucket=0&totalProductsCount=55&pageCount=3&pageBucket=0&pageNum=1&int_prevBucket=-1&page_bucket=0&page=2&showSizeSearch=true&hasPagination=false&parentPage=family

[Ono]

I thought they saw the pic on Carlos and Charley's web site and commented that he had on the same clothes.

I think he used to wear those blue & white plaid shirts a lot....I hope he had more than one! LOL!

[Buckeye]

Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway on May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying with classmates who had traveled to Aruba to celebrate their high school graduation.

Holly Brown, a friend who accompanied Holloway to Aruba and was at Carlos 'N Charlie's the night she disappeared, said she found Van Der Sloot to be "very different."

"We noticed he was in the casino all by himself," she told CNN in Alabama. "He lied about his age, and when we went on the (Carlos 'N Charlie's) Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes."

I think originally at CNN but found here:

http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/showthread.php?t=46277&page=5

[Bearlyhere]

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Could the reason Castro agreed not to broadcast the name of the offender is because Patrick never gave one?

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Quote from: Nut44x4 on Today at 08:46:25 AM
Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin



Quote from: vms on Today at 09:46:32 AM
Poentje's Interests

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Television Larry King (exluding the Nathalie Halloway show)

 http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida 

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Today at 09:53:25 AM  by Bearlyhere

Which contradicts his General interest which is:  In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

I smell a hypocrite.
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My point in this cut and past mission is this:

How can I believe the first word out of the mouth of someone with an admitted bias against the case?
     
 

[Bladerunner]

Notice the line on the outside of the left shoe, its angled exactly like the kswiss shoes:

[Observer]

List of all political party's and party members before the elections in Aruba in 2005

http://www.arubahuis.nl/documents/noticiero/2005aug-sept.pdf

[vms]

The photo of Joran up on the stage was shown to some of the MB kids for confirmation of ID later and they told them it was an old photo from when he was previously at C&C.

You may recall this by remembering that the MB girl upon looking at the photos commented that he was wearing the same shirt.

So that would lead us to believe that it is from a previous time to the night Natalee disappeared, the fact they already had this photo to show the MB kids.

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Not only that it was in the Webshot site of Judy who was in Aruba in March 2005 (uploaded to webshots in April 2005) and called Joran "Stage Boy".  She took down the "stage" photo but left this one:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1331241519060086334vIwjuh

It wasn't webshots, it was one of the Aruba sites. That is the photo Jossy held up on television and said it was from the night Natalee went missing and was showing Joran was wearing boots and not sneakers. Jossy had to later retract it.

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas

If you can, could you please change the last word in my post above from cae to case.

I was in the middle of that cut and paste mission from hell when my computer started breathing heavy and I knew it was going to lock up any second.

I went into panic mode and revived the computer, I did not dump it in the ocean.

[Bearlyhere]

Notice the line on the outside of the left shoe, its angled exactly like the kswiss shoes:

I am not up to this page yet and can't wait to see why Joran's feet are on fire.  Is he in hell, or just his feet?

[klaasend]

The photo of Joran up on the stage was shown to some of the MB kids for confirmation of ID later and they told them it was an old photo from when he was previously at C&C.

You may recall this by remembering that the MB girl upon looking at the photos commented that he was wearing the same shirt.

So that would lead us to believe that it is from a previous time to the night Natalee disappeared, the fact they already had this photo to show the MB kids.

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Not only that it was in the Webshot site of Judy who was in Aruba in March 2005 (uploaded to webshots in April 2005) and called Joran "Stage Boy".  She took down the "stage" photo but left this one:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1331241519060086334vIwjuh

It wasn't webshots, it was one of the Aruba sites. That is the photo Jossy held up on television and said it was from the night Natalee went missing and was showing Joran was wearing boots and not sneakers. Jossy had to later retract it.

It may have been CoolAruba or Cnc but Judy did have a picture of Joran on stage but took it down later.  it may not have been that same one though.  In any case, that picture of Joran at CnC was not when Natalee was in Aruba.

[hotping]

Notice the line on the outside of the left shoe, its angled exactly like the kswiss shoes:

I am not up to this page yet and can't wait to see why Joran's feet are on fire.  Is he in hell, or just his feet?

BH...Joraaan is in Living Hell on Earth! Truly He Is! 

[vms]

The photo of Joran up on the stage was shown to some of the MB kids for confirmation of ID later and they told them it was an old photo from when he was previously at C&C.

You may recall this by remembering that the MB girl upon looking at the photos commented that he was wearing the same shirt.

So that would lead us to believe that it is from a previous time to the night Natalee disappeared, the fact they already had this photo to show the MB kids.

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Not only that it was in the Webshot site of Judy who was in Aruba in March 2005 (uploaded to webshots in April 2005) and called Joran "Stage Boy".  She took down the "stage" photo but left this one:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1331241519060086334vIwjuh

It wasn't webshots, it was one of the Aruba sites. That is the photo Jossy held up on television and said it was from the night Natalee went missing and was showing Joran was wearing boots and not sneakers. Jossy had to later retract it.

It may have been CoolAruba or Cnc but Judy did have a picture of Joran on stage but took it down later.  it may not have been that same one though.  In any case, that picture of Joran at CnC was not when Natalee was in Aruba.

Exactly, it was taken in March. I remember it so well because it was posted here and there was major confusion then about when it was taken. The next night Jossy was showing it on TV. 

[Tamikosmom]

The photo of Joran up on the stage was shown to some of the MB kids for confirmation of ID later and they told them it was an old photo from when he was previously at C&C.

You may recall this by remembering that the MB girl upon looking at the photos commented that he was wearing the same shirt.

So that would lead us to believe that it is from a previous time to the night Natalee disappeared, the fact they already had this photo to show the MB kids.

.

Not only that it was in the Webshot site of Judy who was in Aruba in March 2005 (uploaded to webshots in April 2005) and called Joran "Stage Boy".  She took down the "stage" photo but left this one:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1331241519060086334vIwjuh

It wasn't webshots, it was one of the Aruba sites. That is the photo Jossy held up on television and said it was from the night Natalee went missing and was showing Joran was wearing boots and not sneakers. Jossy had to later retract it.

vms ... you are correct.  Jossy identified the above picture as being taken at Carlos 'N Charlies on the morning of May 30, 2005.  However ... it was revealed that Jossy was mistaken ...

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html
 
MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes. But I want to show you a picture, if I can.

GRACE: OK. OK.

MANSUR: And I will hold it to my chest.

GRACE: Before we lose the -- hold on. OK, go ahead.

MANSUR: Look at Joran`s shoes here in this photo.

GRACE: OK. Zoom in, Liz.

MANSUR: Do those look to you like blue or white or tennis-type shoes?

GRACE: No.

MANSUR: They look like boots, no?

GRACE: They look like boots. They look like work boots.

MANSUR: Brown boots. OK.

GRACE: Now, wait a minute...

MANSUR: He was wearing those at...

GRACE: Was that what he was wearing the night Natalee went missing?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am. This is the photo -- this is a photo taken at Carlos and Charlie`s that night with other photos that we have.

You see, when all this became so complicated about the shoes, we went back in our files and we started to look at all of the pictures that we have. And we find some very interesting one, including this one that shows what he was wearing that night.

GRACE: Uh-oh, the Bruno Maglis of the Holloway case.

Everybody, with me is Jossy Mansur. Let`s see if we can zoom back in on that. Jossy, I didn`t realize at first what you were showing me.

What you`re seeing, according to Jossy with "Diario," is a photo from the night Natalee went missing and all this business about his blue and white K-Swiss size 14s is B.S. That`s a technical legal term, because here are his feet, unless Mansur has somehow Photo Shopped another foot on him.

You know, so, Jossy, have you handed this over to police?

MANSUR: Yes, we have. We did so today. We hand everything over to the police ....

[Bearlyhere]

Thanks Klaas.

 

[jackb]

Notice the line on the outside of the left shoe, its angled exactly like the kswiss shoes:

I am not up to this page yet and can't wait to see why Joran's feet are on fire.  Is he in hell, or just his feet?

BH...Joraaan is in Living Hell on Earth! Truly He Is! 

right now I am on a lap top and try not to use it on here.  It totally bugs me.  Anyway I have reason to believe those shoes are the actual shoes used in the slaying of NH.  The light you are seeing is showing blood showing up in certain lights even when they have been This pic was supposed to be at a different time and date, but it has been pasted by the perp to mock.  I believe the shoes are real.  The clothes may have been used that night and washed, but Freddy said at one time he came home and changed shirts.  Jorn wants to get caught or someone does, is why he or the K2 are using these pictures to mock.  They are evil.  I have analyzed these shoes and the markings under the right light are consistent with a certain wound (s) on her head.  Jack b

[truthseeker2]

What is the game?

The game in Aruba is taking advantage of the tourist…in many different ways.  The game is ‘kidnapping’ them by selling them drugs and then whisking them off to a choller house and ‘borrowing’ their cash, credit and debit cards until the money runs out.  They are not the guilty ones…afterall, the tourists want the drugs and went ‘voluntarily’.  Right??  If the tourist complains…Van Der Straten and company are there to help convince the tourist that nothing bad really happened.  All tourists come to Aruba for the sun, fun, drugs and drink. Sometimes they just go a little overboard.

Another part of the game is drugging a tourist girl on her last night on the island and having their way with her.  Boys will be boys.  Many of these young women are left in many places around the island after the fun is over.  If she remembers anything and wants to press charges she will have to wait until Van Der Straten and company have time to ‘investigate’ and would then miss her flight out.  No problem.  All tourist girls come to Aruba to exercise their sexual prowess.  Right??  They want this to happen to them and they were willing participants.  Right??

If ‘something bad’ does happen, the game moves into high gear.  Everyone on the island knows this and the regular visitors, many of them gamblers, know as well.  The rule in Aruba is never let the rest of the world believe anything bad happens on One Happy Island.  When the game moves into high gear everyone helps out.  The bodies are never found.  Max DeVries, Bud Larson, Gary Makings, Natalee Holloway.  Everyone ‘helped’ by searching and reporting ‘sightings’, but none of these people have been found.  They ran away.  Right??  Or, if the families refuse to believe that, well…those families are engaged in an elaborate insurance scam.  Right??

So…if you were to think like Joran, heaven forbid, and knew the best thing to do when ‘something bad’ happens while playing the game who would you call??????

[wreck]

What is the game?

The game in Aruba is taking advantage of the tourist…in many different ways.  The game is ‘kidnapping’ them by selling them drugs and then whisking them off to a choller house and ‘borrowing’ their cash, credit and debit cards until the money runs out.  They are not the guilty ones…afterall, the tourists want the drugs and went ‘voluntarily’.  Right??  If the tourist complains…Van Der Straten and company are there to help convince the tourist that nothing bad really happened.  All tourists come to Aruba for the sun, fun, drugs and drink. Sometimes they just go a little overboard.

Another part of the game is drugging a tourist girl on her last night on the island and having their way with her.  Boys will be boys.  Many of these young women are left in many places around the island after the fun is over.  If she remembers anything and wants to press charges she will have to wait until Van Der Straten and company have time to ‘investigate’ and would then miss her flight out.  No problem.  All tourist girls come to Aruba to exercise their sexual prowess.  Right??  They want this to happen to them and they were willing participants.  Right??

If ‘something bad’ does happen, the game moves into high gear.  Everyone on the island knows this and the regular visitors, many of them gamblers, know as well.  The rule in Aruba is never let the rest of the world believe anything bad happens on One Happy Island.  When the game moves into high gear everyone helps out.  The bodies are never found.  Max DeVries, Bud Larson, Gary Makings, Natalee Holloway.  Everyone ‘helped’ by searching and reporting ‘sightings’, but none of these people have been found.  They ran away.  Right??  Or, if the families refuse to believe that, well…those families are engaged in an elaborate insurance scam.  Right??

So…if you were to think like Joran, heaven forbid, and knew the best thing to do when ‘something bad’ happens while playing the game who would you call??????

I think you have it down pretty pat. 

[klaasend]

What is the game?

The game in Aruba is taking advantage of the tourist…in many different ways.  The game is ‘kidnapping’ them by selling them drugs and then whisking them off to a choller house and ‘borrowing’ their cash, credit and debit cards until the money runs out.  They are not the guilty ones…afterall, the tourists want the drugs and went ‘voluntarily’.  Right??  If the tourist complains…Van Der Straten and company are there to help convince the tourist that nothing bad really happened.  All tourists come to Aruba for the sun, fun, drugs and drink. Sometimes they just go a little overboard.

Another part of the game is drugging a tourist girl on her last night on the island and having their way with her.  Boys will be boys.  Many of these young women are left in many places around the island after the fun is over.  If she remembers anything and wants to press charges she will have to wait until Van Der Straten and company have time to ‘investigate’ and would then miss her flight out.  No problem.  All tourist girls come to Aruba to exercise their sexual prowess.  Right??  They want this to happen to them and they were willing participants.  Right??

If ‘something bad’ does happen, the game moves into high gear.  Everyone on the island knows this and the regular visitors, many of them gamblers, know as well.  The rule in Aruba is never let the rest of the world believe anything bad happens on One Happy Island.  When the game moves into high gear everyone helps out.  The bodies are never found.  Max DeVries, Bud Larson, Gary Makings, Natalee Holloway.  Everyone ‘helped’ by searching and reporting ‘sightings’, but none of these people have been found.  They ran away.  Right??  Or, if the families refuse to believe that, well…those families are engaged in an elaborate insurance scam.  Right??

So…if you were to think like Joran, heaven forbid, and knew the best thing to do when ‘something bad’ happens while playing the game who would you call??????

#1 -  I would call my dad, then my dad would call Van der Stratten