Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[klaasend]

Instead of Natalee having convulsions on the beach, it is most likely that she had them while still in Deepak's car. It would explain car washing and Kalpoe involvement.

Gardener spotting with someone lying down in the back seat, a drive to the Sloot home (with a deceased body), blocked search warrants, computer manipulated (time stamped) searches for drugs + alcohol on the computer, etc.. would fit this timeline.

(see bold above) ...this would also explain why Satish asked him > "How's the girl"

Speaking of Deepak and Satish, has anyone ever tried to get a contact from Suriname and see what happened there that these 2 had to leave and come to Aruba?  What are their past problems with the law in Suriname that they had to leave and does it mirror what has happened in this case?  I believe this needs to be ratcheted up a bit now.  I am surprised Dr. Phil hasn't requested files on at least Deepak from Suriname since it was quoted by someone (maybe Jossie) that they were in trouble there same as in Aruba.

I know early in the case either Art Wood or Clint van Zandt TJ Ward were going to check Suriname.  I have no idea what the final outcome was.

[Observer]

Instead of Natalee having convulsions on the beach, it is most likely that she had them while still in Deepak's car. It would explain car washing and Kalpoe involvement.

Gardener spotting with someone lying down in the back seat, a drive to the Sloot home (with a deceased body), blocked search warrants, computer manipulated (time stamped) searches for drugs + alcohol on the computer, etc.. would fit this timeline.

(see bold above) ...this would also explain why Satish asked him > "How's the girl"

Speaking of Deepak and Satish, has anyone ever tried to get a contact from Suriname and see what happened there that these 2 had to leave and come to Aruba?  What are their past problems with the law in Suriname that they had to leave and does it mirror what has happened in this case?  I believe this needs to be ratcheted up a bit now.  I am surprised Dr. Phil hasn't requested files on at least Deepak from Suriname since it was quoted by someone (maybe Jossie) that they were in trouble there same as in Aruba.

TJ Ward was looking into this and mentioned it on TV about one of the brothers being in trouble in suriname,but he never said anything more about it.

[Blue Moon]

Do you have any idea why the need to leave out the body dumping story? Is there something new about this that I missed?  We already know Joran asked Daury for help in disposal. I am confused. Sorry.

Patrick names a new name as the person who dumped Natalee and it's not the name Daury.

Patrick DOESN'T name a new name. The segment (or at least a small part of it) around dumping the body has been aired through Hart van Nederland on Friday. The translation they give is as follows:

I know who dumped her in the ocean

CUT to another quote

I know who he is. The man lives in Rotterdam (I don't speak Papiamentu but I know for a 100% he says Rotterdam here...Dutch ...) But I never wanted to mention his name. The guy is in hiding with him (they mean Joran).
Poentje asks: Are they in Germany?
Patrick: Yes (no doubt about this answer as far as I am concerned either).

So Paulus is with Joran in Germany then?   

[katrien]

The article in Spits is different that the other news Stan de Jong, Poentje and the trolls are sending out.

Most likely Spits just accepted something exactly the way it has been told.

There is no reason for Hans Mos to ask Poentje to remove the whole sentence.
If Hans Mos asked something to Poentje, the utmost would be to bleep the names. That's what they told earlier and now they changed their story.

I first want to see the interview and if the sentences are not in the interview it is of course not reliable.

P.S.: On Fok are rumours that the interview is not going to be broadcasted at all.

I am not going to discuss this furthermore till I have seen the interview. As long as they can not show anything spectacular, they are not telling the truth and all the other information from Stan de Jong and friends can go to the bin.

[truthseeker2]

Regarding the music vid...I personally don't think it has investigative value on the NH case...I do think some talented young musicians, one or more, whom have read a lot of blogs in the case,
have found a unique way to get exposure...especially when looking at their *tags* used for search engines...hot topic to say the least..JMOO...fwiw...I could be very wrong...

Destiny - I agree with one exception.  IF the song/video was created after Natalee disappeared then it's interresting they would show the trap and the huts.  The song was released as a single July 2005.

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

[truthseeker2]

So Paulus is with Joran in Germany then?   

Yes, yes he is.  I hear they are doing extensive research trying to prove Beth is related to Hitler!   

[klaasend]

Regarding the music vid...I personally don't think it has investigative value on the NH case...I do think some talented young musicians, one or more, whom have read a lot of blogs in the case,
have found a unique way to get exposure...especially when looking at their *tags* used for search engines...hot topic to say the least..JMOO...fwiw...I could be very wrong...

Destiny - I agree with one exception.  IF the song/video was created after Natalee disappeared then it's interresting they would show the trap and the huts.  The song was released as a single July 2005.

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

What the video tells me is that there are many people in Aruba that have a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee and have since the beginning.

Also I found it interresting to see the older man easily lift that trap onto his very small boat. 

[Lala'sMom]

I have a question...sort of...if Val was at home on the night in question with Sebastion...who was watching them while Paulus was out at 4 in the morning?  Was Val old enough to be there alone or would it even matter since Paulus was still in the casino late anyway?  I suppose they were latch key kids...huh?

[klaasend]

Probably a smaller trap than what Persistence is looking for but look how this one man lifts the trap easily.  A trap twice this size could easily be lifted by 2 people.

[truthseeker2]

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

What the video tells me is that there are many people in Aruba that have a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee and have since the beginning.

Also I found it interresting to see the older man easily lift that trap onto his very small boat. 

Yes, that did pique my curiosity as well.  The trap did not seem that heavy when empty.  In looking at that segment over and over I can imagine that Natalee could have fit into.  It would be a tight fit, but I do believe it would be possible.  It seems as though lifting it with her in it could have been accomplised easily by two people.

[Lala'sMom]

Regarding the music vid...I personally don't think it has investigative value on the NH case...I do think some talented young musicians, one or more, whom have read a lot of blogs in the case,
have found a unique way to get exposure...especially when looking at their *tags* used for search engines...hot topic to say the least..JMOO...fwiw...I could be very wrong...

Destiny - I agree with one exception.  IF the song/video was created after Natalee disappeared then it's interresting they would show the trap and the huts.  The song was released as a single July 2005.

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

Oh....you didn't just say that...did you? Where is the link...I should post it in Shango? TIA

[klaasend]

I have a question...sort of...if Val was at home on the night in question with Sebastion...who was watching them while Paulus was out at 4 in the morning?  Was Val old enough to be there alone or would it even matter since Paulus was still in the casino late anyway?  I suppose they were latch key kids...huh?

I'll throw a question right back at you.  Who was staying with Val and Sabastian while Paulus and the MB gang were looking for Joran at the Casino at 3am?

[katrien]

This reaction was placed on the website of H.J. Korterink, a Dutch crime writer.

Ko van Dijk had his own weblog.
Mijn spirituele bronnen meldden een dag voor de scoop van Peter dat Joran en Patrick elkaar al jaren kennen en het op een akkoordje hadden gegooid om Peter een poets te bakken. Nu geloof ik niet alles was "zieners" verkondigen ook al heb ik frappante dingen meegemaakt. Lichtelijk verbaasd was ik toen Joran "live" bij Jensen de telefoon opnam. Hij kon toch zien dat de call afkomstig van zijn 'verrader" was? Die had net zitten vertellen met Joran geen contact meer te hebben. Enfin, nog geen uur later kreeg ik een mail van Stan de Jong. De rest is alweer geschiedenis.

Laatste nieuws: de producent van The Sopranos gaat een serie maken over Natalee. Het wordt een reallive soap. Alleen de rol van Natalee moet gecast worden de overige hoofdrolspelers spelen zichzelf. Ik verwacht dat het de langst lopende soap aller tijden gaat worden. Tenzij Natalee plotseling opduikt uit haar schuilplaats in Venezuela. In dat geval gaat ze onmiddellijk naar de haaien want the show must go on.
Geplaatst door: Ko van Dijk | 9 maart 2008 om 3:06

My spiritual sources told me one day before the scoop of Peter that Joran and Patrick knew each other for years and made a deal to cheat Peter. Well, I do not believe everything “fortunetellers” say, in spite of the fact I  was a witness of strange things. I was slightly surprised when Joran answered the phone “live” at Jensen. He was able to see that the cell came from his “betrayer, or”?  His betrayer just told that the contact with Joran was broken. Anyway, within an hour a got a mail from Stan de Jong.   The rest is history”.
“News update:  the producer of The Sopranos is going to make a series about Natalee. It is going to be a real live soap. Only Natalee has to be casted, the other main players play themselves. I expect this is going to be the longest soap ever. Unless of course, Natalee comes out of her hi ding-place in Venezuela. In that case she goes immediately to the sharks because the show must go on”.

Stan de Jong heeft vandaag  een stukje op Crimesite geplaatst.

PeterR en Patrick worden weer aangevallen. Peter zou niet hebben verteld dat Patrick ooit heroïne heeft verkocht, suggererend dat dit iets met de tapes te maken heeft. Overigens meende ik toch echt dat Patrick bij Jensen vertelde dat hij jaren geleden in heroïne heeft gehandeld. 
Uit de aanvallen van Stan richting Peter kun je merken dat Stan niet schijnt te begrijpen dat misdaadjournalisten (en uiteraard  advocaten) omgang hebben met mensen in het criminele circuit.
Nou ja, verder is het allemaal weer dezelfde oude koek zoals we inmiddels gewend zijn, meeliften en parasiteren.  Niets nieuws.
Het is totaal irrelevant aan wie Joran zijn bekentenissen heeft gedaan.

Stan de Jong wrote on Crime site today.
PeterR and Patrick are being attacked again. Stan suggests that Peter never told that Patrick was involved in heroine in the past, suggesting that this has anything to do with the tapes. By the way, I thought I heard Patrick telling in the Jensen show that he was involved in heroine years ago.
Stan does not seem to understand that crime reporters (and also lawyers of course) have intercourse with people from the crime circuit.
Well, further is all old cake and as usual, hitch-hiking and parasite-stuff nothing new.
It is not of any relevance to which Joran did his confessions.


 

[klaasend]

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

What the video tells me is that there are many people in Aruba that have a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee and have since the beginning.

Also I found it interresting to see the older man easily lift that trap onto his very small boat. 

Yes, that did pique my curiosity as well.  The trap did not seem that heavy when empty.  In looking at that segment over and over I can imagine that Natalee could have fit into.  It would be a tight fit, but I do believe it would be possible.  It seems as though lifting it with her in it could have been accomplised easily by two people.

Natalee could have been put into it just prior to tossing overboard.  Just push off the side of the boat.  No real need to lift.

[truthseeker2]

I have a question...sort of...if Val was at home on the night in question with Sebastion...who was watching them while Paulus was out at 4 in the morning?  Was Val old enough to be there alone or would it even matter since Paulus was still in the casino late anyway?  I suppose they were latch key kids...huh?

Good question.  And...it did not seem that Paulus was very concerned about them being there alone when he jumped into the police car the next night to assist in leading Natalee's family and friends on a wild goose chase over to the Holiday Inn.  He just left them there...if, indeed, they WERE there.

[klaasend]

This reaction was placed on the website of H.J. Korterink, a Dutch crime writer.

Ko van Dijk had his own weblog.
Mijn spirituele bronnen meldden een dag voor de scoop van Peter dat Joran en Patrick elkaar al jaren kennen en het op een akkoordje hadden gegooid om Peter een poets te bakken. Nu geloof ik niet alles was "zieners" verkondigen ook al heb ik frappante dingen meegemaakt. Lichtelijk verbaasd was ik toen Joran "live" bij Jensen de telefoon opnam. Hij kon toch zien dat de call afkomstig van zijn 'verrader" was? Die had net zitten vertellen met Joran geen contact meer te hebben. Enfin, nog geen uur later kreeg ik een mail van Stan de Jong. De rest is alweer geschiedenis.

Laatste nieuws: de producent van The Sopranos gaat een serie maken over Natalee. Het wordt een reallive soap. Alleen de rol van Natalee moet gecast worden de overige hoofdrolspelers spelen zichzelf. Ik verwacht dat het de langst lopende soap aller tijden gaat worden. Tenzij Natalee plotseling opduikt uit haar schuilplaats in Venezuela. In dat geval gaat ze onmiddellijk naar de haaien want the show must go on.
Geplaatst door: Ko van Dijk | 9 maart 2008 om 3:06

My spiritual sources told me one day before the scoop of Peter that Joran and Patrick knew each other for years and made a deal to cheat Peter. Well, I do not believe everything “fortunetellers” say, in spite of the fact I  was a witness of strange things. I was slightly surprised when Joran answered the phone “live” at Jensen. He was able to see that the cell came from his “betrayer, or”?  His betrayer just told that the contact with Joran was broken. Anyway, within an hour a got a mail from Stan de Jong.   The rest is history”.
“News update:  the producer of The Sopranos is going to make a series about Natalee. It is going to be a real live soap. Only Natalee has to be casted, the other main players play themselves. I expect this is going to be the longest soap ever. Unless of course, Natalee comes out of her hi ding-place in Venezuela. In that case she goes immediately to the sharks because the show must go on”.

Stan de Jong heeft vandaag  een stukje op Crimesite geplaatst.

PeterR en Patrick worden weer aangevallen. Peter zou niet hebben verteld dat Patrick ooit heroïne heeft verkocht, suggererend dat dit iets met de tapes te maken heeft. Overigens meende ik toch echt dat Patrick bij Jensen vertelde dat hij jaren geleden in heroïne heeft gehandeld. 
Uit de aanvallen van Stan richting Peter kun je merken dat Stan niet schijnt te begrijpen dat misdaadjournalisten (en uiteraard  advocaten) omgang hebben met mensen in het criminele circuit.
Nou ja, verder is het allemaal weer dezelfde oude koek zoals we inmiddels gewend zijn, meeliften en parasiteren.  Niets nieuws.
Het is totaal irrelevant aan wie Joran zijn bekentenissen heeft gedaan.

Stan de Jong wrote on Crime site today.
PeterR and Patrick are being attacked again. Stan suggests that Peter never told that Patrick was involved in heroine in the past, suggesting that this has anything to do with the tapes. By the way, I thought I heard Patrick telling in the Jensen show that he was involved in heroine years ago.
Stan does not seem to understand that crime reporters (and also lawyers of course) have intercourse with people from the crime circuit.
Well, further is all old cake and as usual, hitch-hiking and parasite-stuff nothing new.
It is not of any relevance to which Joran did his confessions.


 

Exactly!

[truthseeker2]

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

What the video tells me is that there are many people in Aruba that have a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee and have since the beginning.

Also I found it interresting to see the older man easily lift that trap onto his very small boat. 

Yes, that did pique my curiosity as well.  The trap did not seem that heavy when empty.  In looking at that segment over and over I can imagine that Natalee could have fit into.  It would be a tight fit, but I do believe it would be possible.  It seems as though lifting it with her in it could have been accomplised easily by two people.

Natalee could have been put into it just prior to tossing overboard.  Just push off the side of the boat.  No real need to lift.

LOL...are we twin daughters of different mothers????

[truthseeker2]

Regarding the music vid...I personally don't think it has investigative value on the NH case...I do think some talented young musicians, one or more, whom have read a lot of blogs in the case,
have found a unique way to get exposure...especially when looking at their *tags* used for search engines...hot topic to say the least..JMOO...fwiw...I could be very wrong...

Destiny - I agree with one exception.  IF the song/video was created after Natalee disappeared then it's interresting they would show the trap and the huts.  The song was released as a single July 2005.

Interesting.  After vewing the video several times it ocurred to me that everything in it had been discussed on the blogs somewhere...except for the bicycle.  Of course, much later, we all heard from a poster who developed a scenario that included a bicycle.

I'm scratching my head over this video because when watching for about the eighth time it also ocurred to me that Shango said "Follow the music" and "...one must google".  Could it be....?  FWIW, Shango's last known post was on July 30th.

Oh....you didn't just say that...did you? Where is the link...I should post it in Shango? TIA

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYEdXpjcw

[BTgirl]

I apologize for asking something that has probably been discussed ad infinitum. (Work has been kicking my butt lately, and I haven't been able to keep up with reading here.)

I watched the Intwine video several times, and it's fascinating. After I watched it I tried to find more info on the web, but all I could find was the same info already posted - that it was released in July 2005. Has anyone else had any luck with finding when the song was actually written?

TY

[truthseeker2]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYEdXpjcw

A few things...may not even be relevant but ..:

The man seems more like a grandfather than a father
The man is wearing a hardhat and
When the man is with the boy he wear a baseball cap or no cap at all
When he pick up the trap he is wearing a hardhat and continues to wear that for the remainder of the video.  In other words, he is at work...he gets paid.

Here are the lyrics to the song...

And we take too long and we go too far
Till we see what we have become
And it's much too late and the costs too high
But the memories will never die

I am because of you
I have dreams old and new
But I would give it all back
For just one more day with you

Now the distance made and the words have been said
Not there lies an empty bed
Even roriry ran away can't find it
A single jack to show me the way

I said things that I
Thought I would not regret
But I would take it all back
For just one more day with you

Your damned cigarettes 'n your hard yellow hat
That used to be white but went through a fight
That's what you did in those stories those fibs
Wish I said goodbye to...
You
www.onlylyrics.com