Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[Observer]

Agree, maybe this is part of the reason for Joran's apparently disrespectful warped attitude toward women that I feel we have seen/read about throughout this case.

You can bet if he was allowed a laptop in KIA, and didn't have one, daddy would have
brought/bought him one.

Definetly! Women for sure but especially the teenage girls that some Aruban's preyed upon in Aruba,they are worth nothing to someone like PVDS except someone that his son can abuse and play games with..He certainly would not let a stupid american teenager girl ruin his son's life or his no matter what. But I think they really looked down on most everyone and chose to communicate only with people of there choosing or a higher status on the island..Like the Zeola's..They lived next door to a teacher for over a decade and never associated with him.
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J: He said to me, what did he say to me, Ehm, when we were there he said to me: "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff. Because, if there is a missing girl then ehm...

J: Yes he came and he told me, you know, all is arranged, she is going to be missing, they will go search, but they will not know a thing, they will not know a thing.

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A man next door to the van der Sloots said he had lived there since van der Sloot was a boy but seldom had dealings with the family. "Always, they get in their car and go," said the 57-year-old teacher who did not want to give his name. "Maybe because he's a judge or something, he has a higher status."

[caesu]

http://www.izalinecalister.com/press/dutch_interviews/071117_telegr.jpg

The trip starts with Poentje Castro. For dutch standards, this is  a "schersfiguur" (meaning fake nobody). His hair has a scary peroxide color and his laughable Harley Davidson-glasses make him look like a giant fly. Poentje wanted to be a pop-star. But he came as far as top-interviewer on 'Tele Aruba'

[Jo-An]

If it'll be about Natalee's case I don't know (yet), but Peter R de Vries' next show will air April 20th.

[caesu]

If it'll be about Natalee's case I don't know (yet), but Peter R de Vries' next show will air April 20th.

thanks! usually he does 8 shows in a row if i am correct.

i am sure at least he will mention it in his next show.
but he won't reveal new leads i think so his enemies won't have something to attack him with.

[caesu]

If it'll be about Natalee's case I don't know (yet), but Peter R de Vries' next show will air April 20th.

thanks! usually he does 8 shows in a row if i am correct.

i am sure at least he will mention it in his next show.
but he won't reveal new leads i think so his enemies won't have something to attack him with.

Eerstvolgende nieuwe uitzendingen / Upcoming new broadcasts:

zondag 20 april
zondag 27 april
zondag 4 mei
zondag 11 mei    
zondag 18 mei
zondag 25 mei    
zondag 1 juni

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/bannerprogramma.htm

[KarmaRoundUp]

What I want to know is did the Sloots own a lappy before June 2005? I am betting they did.

Anita says paulus had/has a lap top for work(in her Greta interview)

[San]

Klaas
While I am ignoring you could you answer a question for me?  Please update me on the situation with the Sloot computers.  Was it a desktop that Val accessed or did the Sloots also have a laptop?  Would it have been Paulus?  Could he have had it in his jeep that morning at 4 AM?  Just thinking here. TIA

Was it not written somewhere that Paulus bought Joran a laptop while he was in KIA?

Not sure exactly when he was bought a new laptop,but Paul bought him a Porn Video so he wouldn't fall a sleep in class before he left for college in the NL. What a Father this guy is! The kid is suspected of rape and murder and he buys him a porn video for a goodbye present! 

::MonkeyEek::Wow *******!
I have the utmost respect for you and appreciate all of your posts.
So, I am not doubting you, but just cannot believe this!
P bought a porn vid for Joran?   
I am amazed! Who reported this?
sick, sick, sick...

There was an Enquirer article where Joran was talking to a reporter and he pulled this little video gadget out and started to watch porn.  It was not a computer it was something else and I believe it was said that Paulus bought it for him.  I'm trying to find the article.

Here is part of the article where Joran is talking to the reporter and he starts watching porn.

[Observer]

Klaas
While I am ignoring you could you answer a question for me?  Please update me on the situation with the Sloot computers.  Was it a desktop that Val accessed or did the Sloots also have a laptop?  Would it have been Paulus?  Could he have had it in his jeep that morning at 4 AM?  Just thinking here. TIA

Was it not written somewhere that Paulus bought Joran a laptop while he was in KIA?

Not sure exactly when he was bought a new laptop,but Paul bought him a Porn Video so he wouldn't fall a sleep in class before he left for college in the NL. What a Father this guy is! The kid is suspected of rape and murder and he buys him a porn video for a goodbye present! 

::MonkeyEek::Wow *******!
I have the utmost respect for you and appreciate all of your posts.
So, I am not doubting you, but just cannot believe this!
P bought a porn vid for Joran?   
I am amazed! Who reported this?
sick, sick, sick...

It's from the interview with the girl from the National Enquirer; not really a reliable source....

Yes and Diario reported her story as well,not your typical tabloid BS I don't think with her story...

According to international source
Paul van der Sloot gave Joran quite the gift
DIARIO Aruba
11/11/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Thursday, DIARIO received a call from a contact who was in Holland, about the case of Natalee Holloway, who was following Joran van der Sloot’s steps.

This person told DIARIO that he was in Holland last month, where he was staying for a few months.

He said that Joran was staying in a house a little outside Arnhem with his father and is studying at Hoge School Arnhem.

The person says Joran is living a life like the majority of students in Holland do, where he goes to school, studies and goes out until late at night.

Joran met a girl who he didn’t know was working for a  for a known magazine and went out to drink with her and tried to seduce her.

The girl was trying to find as much information as possible, for an article on which she was working.

One of the times that Joran went out with the girl, he showed her a portable DVD player that he got as a gift from his mother and father after he got out of KIA.

What surprises that girl was when Joran showed a movie that his father gave him as a gift.

The movie he showed the girl was a pornographic one and he said his father gave it to him, so that he wouldn’t fall asleep in class at school.

According to the Dutch reporter, Joran went to see a few football matches in Holland with his father and they also went to England to see a Manchester United match.

The intention was also for them to go to an East European country to see a Champions League match.

According to DIARIO’s contact who was in Holland, Joran van der Sloot was planning last month to go live with his two friends in student housing, close to the school he’s attending and he will come to Aruba to vacation in
Easter Christmas
, where he will come see his mother again who hasn’t gone to Holland.

[translated by Getagrip]

// posted by Getagrip @ 11/11/2005 10:58:00 AM   
G o o g l e's cache of http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_06_archive.html

[Observer]

Here's another article...

A couple of new wrinkles come from the National Enquirer story from last week. We find out that the girl, Kristina Pedersen, was an “enterprising young freelance photographer”. According to the interview, Joran Van der Sloot does not seem to have learned from the error of his ways as he still is “drinking, cutting classes, chasing girls and going to bars until 4am”. Not quite the conduct that someone who was in jail for four months would be doing. However, it was not like Deepak didn’t go back to Carlos & Charlie’s as well. David Wright of the National Enquirer reports this rather differing point that was allegedly told to Kristina Pedersen by Joran Van der Sloot.

He said after they left C & C, they didn’t go straight to the beach, they went to his home. The Kalpoe brothers waited outside and he and Natalee went inside for a while. Now, that raises an interesting question because his father was of course in the house. Now,did the father meet Natalee that night?

The rest of the interview is as follows:

(Hat Tip: sunmoonstars)

Geraldo: How did you get this interview?

David Wright: Well, I had been in Arnem where he was studying Geraldo. Also in Arnem was an enterprising young freelance photographer named Christina Pederson. She spent several days in Arnem getting to know Joran very well and we ended up working together.

Geraldo: Was she posing as a reporter, a girlfriend?

DW: She met him on campus, and she really was able to provide an insight into Joran that we haven’t seen before.

Geraldo: So what was the headline of the insight?

DW: One of the most interesting things, I naively assumed that having been lucky enough to get out of jail he would be on his best behavior. But, I observed him for couple of weeks and he is the same old Joran. He is drinking, cutting classes, chasing girls and going to bars until 4am

Geraldo: Did he make any admissions to your undercover?

DW: Well, he made an interesting admission that we haven’t heard before. He said after they left C&C, they didn’t go straight to the beach, they went to his home. The Kalpoe brothers waited outside and he and Natalee went inside for a while. Now, that raises an interesting question because his father was of course in the house. Now, did the father meet Natalee that night?

Is that one of the questions the police had to ask the father when they arrested him?

UPDATE: Joran Van der Sloot blogspot for scanned pages of the NE article.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/10/03/joran-van-der-sloot-they-went-to-his-home-and-the-kalpoe-brothers-waited-outside/

[Miss Scarlet]

O/T

"The Dillard's Thief"  (true story)
Clutching their Dillard's shopping bags, Ellen and Kay woefully gazed down at a dead cat in the mall parking lot. Obviously a recent hit---no flies, no smell.
"What business could that poor kitty have had here?" murmured Ellen.
"Come on, Ellen, let's just go..." But Ellen had already grabbed her shopping bag and was explaining, "I'll just put my things in your bag, and then I'll take the tissue." She dumped her purchases into Kay's bag and then used the tissue paper to cradle and lower the former feline into her own Dillard's bag and cover it.
They continued the short trek to the car in silence, stashing their goods in the trunk. But it occurred to both of them that if they left Ellen's burial bag in the trunk, warmed by the Texas sunshine while they ate, Kay's Lumina would soon lose that new-car smell. They decided to leave the bag on top of the trunk, and they headed over to Luby's Cafeteria.
After they cleared the serving line and sat down at a window table, they had a view of Kay's Chevy with the Dillard's bag still on the trunk.
BUT not for long. As they ate, they noticed a black-haired woman in a red gingham shirt stroll by their car, look quickly this way and that, and then hook the Dillard's bag without breaking stride. She quickly walked out of their line of vision. Kay and Ellen shot each other a wide-eyed look of amazement. It all happened so fast that neither of them could think how to respond.
"Can you imagine?" sputtered Ellen. "The nerve of that woman!"
Kay sympathized with Ellen, but inwardly a laugh was building as she thought about the grand surprise awaiting the red-gingham thief. Just when she thought she'd have to giggle into her napkin, she noticed Ellen's eyes freeze in the direction of the serving line. Following her gaze, Kay recognized with a shock the black-haired woman with THE Dillard's bag hanging from her arm, brazenly pushing her tray toward the cashier.
Helplessly they watched the scene unfold: After clearing the register, the woman settled at a table across from theirs, put the bag on an empty chair and began to eat. After a few bites of baked whitefish and green beans, she casually lifted the bag into her lap to survey her treasure. Looking from side to side, but not far enough to notice her rapt audience three tables over, she pulled out the tissue paper and peered into the bag. Her eyes widened, and she began to make a sort of gasping noise. The noise grew. The bag slid from her lap as she sank to the floor, wheezing and clutching her upper chest. The beverage cart attendant quickly recognized a customer in trouble and sent the busboy to call 911, while she administered the Heimlich maneuver.
A crowd quickly gathered that did not include Ellen and Kay, who remained riveted to their chairs for seven whole minutes until the ambulance arrived. In a matter of minutes the curly-haired woman emerged from the crowd, still gasping, strapped securely on a gurney. Two well-trained EMS volunteers steered her to the waiting ambulance, while a third scooped up her belongings.
The last they saw of the distressed cat-burglar, as she disappeared behind the ambulance doors, was the Dillard's bag perched on her stomach.

[Nut44x4]

And those freaks have the nerve to say that Natalee dressed like a slut.  They need to take a close look at so manyyyyy of their own. They make me sick. Even this girl has on more clothes than most of the locals down there, lmao.

[hotping]

O/T

"The Dillard's Thief"  (true story)
Clutching their Dillard's shopping bags, Ellen and Kay woefully gazed down at a dead cat in the mall parking lot. Obviously a recent hit---no flies, no smell.
"What business could that poor kitty have had here?" murmured Ellen.
"Come on, Ellen, let's just go..." But Ellen had already grabbed her shopping bag and was explaining, "I'll just put my things in your bag, and then I'll take the tissue." She dumped her purchases into Kay's bag and then used the tissue paper to cradle and lower the former feline into her own Dillard's bag and cover it.
They continued the short trek to the car in silence, stashing their goods in the trunk. But it occurred to both of them that if they left Ellen's burial bag in the trunk, warmed by the Texas sunshine while they ate, Kay's Lumina would soon lose that new-car smell. They decided to leave the bag on top of the trunk, and they headed over to Luby's Cafeteria.
After they cleared the serving line and sat down at a window table, they had a view of Kay's Chevy with the Dillard's bag still on the trunk.
BUT not for long. As they ate, they noticed a black-haired woman in a red gingham shirt stroll by their car, look quickly this way and that, and then hook the Dillard's bag without breaking stride. She quickly walked out of their line of vision. Kay and Ellen shot each other a wide-eyed look of amazement. It all happened so fast that neither of them could think how to respond.
"Can you imagine?" sputtered Ellen. "The nerve of that woman!"
Kay sympathized with Ellen, but inwardly a laugh was building as she thought about the grand surprise awaiting the red-gingham thief. Just when she thought she'd have to giggle into her napkin, she noticed Ellen's eyes freeze in the direction of the serving line. Following her gaze, Kay recognized with a shock the black-haired woman with THE Dillard's bag hanging from her arm, brazenly pushing her tray toward the cashier.
Helplessly they watched the scene unfold: After clearing the register, the woman settled at a table across from theirs, put the bag on an empty chair and began to eat. After a few bites of baked whitefish and green beans, she casually lifted the bag into her lap to survey her treasure. Looking from side to side, but not far enough to notice her rapt audience three tables over, she pulled out the tissue paper and peered into the bag. Her eyes widened, and she began to make a sort of gasping noise. The noise grew. The bag slid from her lap as she sank to the floor, wheezing and clutching her upper chest. The beverage cart attendant quickly recognized a customer in trouble and sent the busboy to call 911, while she administered the Heimlich maneuver.
A crowd quickly gathered that did not include Ellen and Kay, who remained riveted to their chairs for seven whole minutes until the ambulance arrived. In a matter of minutes the curly-haired woman emerged from the crowd, still gasping, strapped securely on a gurney. Two well-trained EMS volunteers steered her to the waiting ambulance, while a third scooped up her belongings.
The last they saw of the distressed cat-burglar, as she disappeared behind the ambulance doors, was the Dillard's bag perched on her stomach.

OMG! 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Someone correct me if I have this wrong.

Lala's

Say I am driving around Aruba with my laptop in my car.  There are several different hotspots in Aruba.  If I pass by the Internet Cafe and pick up that Wifi it will show the specific IP of the Internet Cafe.  If I drive by the Marriott and there is a Wifi hotspot there it will show that specific IP.  However, all of them would most likely be Setarnet IP's just with slight variations in IP number.

Whenever I am in a hotel with wi-fi, there is a password to access the connection. I don't know how many free hotspots Aruba has. I also don't know how easy it is to hack into a "secure" wi-fi network.

I'm not sure how secure wi-fi networks can be. Whenever our head computer guy from work goes to an out-of-town meeting, he entertains himself during the evenings at his hotel by seeing how many other computers in the hotel he can hack into through the wi-fi network. 

Hi, have been away for a week or so....

I know little about wifi, but on my previous job I worked from home and had to connect through a vpn connection....protected & secure.  The programmer I worked with at corporate was not allowed to work from his condo/home because he had wifi, which they considered insecure.  Apparently, he shared the connection with many in his building and surrounding buildings.  If he worked on projects, he had to do so from school or places where cable or dsl was available.  Not sure if that's still the case, since he's no longer with the company.  I think Klaas was right that if you have a laptop with a wifi card (or whatever), then you'll pick up the IP in the area that has wifi....isn't that what IBE or someone does when she goes downtown? 

[Miss Scarlet]

SANDRA K’S SON - SEAN
SEAN PARKED AT NIKKI’S
SEAN WORKS AT: Chicago Marriott Southwest at Burr Ridge
    * 1200 Burr Ridge Parkway
    * Burr Ridge, Illinois 60527 USA
    * Phone:  1-630-986-4100

SEAN WORKS AT: Marriott Burr Ridge, Il US as a Bellmen Front Desk
   March 06 - Present
Sean is from Michigan, Illionois
Loves Hockey...DETROIT Red Wings


6/9/2006 12:42 PM
Hey my baby girl. Keep on laughing. We will make it through. Can you say "dysfunctional?"
ha, ha.
We will always have each other.
Love and hugs, from your favorite sister. Xxoo

That's an awful lot of vehicles (fairly new) for an awful lot of boys.  I could hardly afford to pay the insurance on one son when he got his license and she is paying for several?  How do they do it?

Pharmaceuticals?

[KarmaRoundUp]

SANDRA K’S SON - SEAN
SEAN PARKED AT NIKKI’S
SEAN WORKS AT: Chicago Marriott Southwest at Burr Ridge
    * 1200 Burr Ridge Parkway
    * Burr Ridge, Illinois 60527 USA
    * Phone:  1-630-986-4100

SEAN WORKS AT: Marriott Burr Ridge, Il US as a Bellmen Front Desk
   March 06 - Present
Sean is from Michigan, Illionois
Loves Hockey...DETROIT Red Wings


6/9/2006 12:42 PM
Hey my baby girl. Keep on laughing. We will make it through. Can you say "dysfunctional?"
ha, ha.
We will always have each other.
Love and hugs, from your favorite sister. Xxoo

That's an awful lot of vehicles (fairly new) for an awful lot of boys.  I could hardly afford to pay the insurance on one son when he got his license and she is paying for several?  How do they do it?

Pharmaceuticals?

That top photo looks like a man in drag.If that is supposed to be SandraK maybe she should be renamed SanderK.
 

[GBMW]

Klaas
While I am ignoring you could you answer a question for me?  Please update me on the situation with the Sloot computers.  Was it a desktop that Val accessed or did the Sloots also have a laptop?  Would it have been Paulus?  Could he have had it in his jeep that morning at 4 AM?  Just thinking here. TIA

Was it not written somewhere that Paulus bought Joran a laptop while he was in KIA?

Not sure exactly when he was bought a new laptop,but Paul bought him a Porn Video so he wouldn't fall a sleep in class before he left for college in the NL. What a Father this guy is! The kid is suspected of rape and murder and he buys him a porn video for a goodbye present! 

::MonkeyEek::Wow *******!
I have the utmost respect for you and appreciate all of your posts.
So, I am not doubting you, but just cannot believe this!
P bought a porn vid for Joran?   
I am amazed! Who reported this?
sick, sick, sick...

There was an Enquirer article where Joran was talking to a reporter and he pulled this little video gadget out and started to watch porn.  It was not a computer it was something else and I believe it was said that Paulus bought it for him.  I'm trying to find the article.

Here is part of the article where Joran is talking to the reporter and he starts watching porn.

San; do you have a scan of the whole article? Would like to read it & can only find bad copies or incomplete ones...

[Lala'sMom]

Two computers...thanks Mum!  I wonder why that says Joran/Deepak?

Name/Title:
File No: TDU05-022
Date: 4 July 2005
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: F Kolenbrander / R. Verkerk
Description: Hard drive investigation Joran van der Sloot / Deepak
Kalpoe
Source: KLP
Lab nr: TDE-05-022-3
Location: Holland
Responsive to Request 3

Name Title: Hard drive Paul van der Sloot
File No: TDE-05-022
Date: 8 July 2005
Pages: 10 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator: F Kolenbrander
Description: investigation on hard drive of Paul van der Sloot
Source: KLP
Lab nr. TDE-05-022-4
Location: Netherlands

[Nut44x4]

Opinion please...

Is the 1st photo (the girl posted by Kermit on pg. 30) and the girl in the second photo the same girl??


Probably not, but what say you all?

[GBMW]

Maybe this has been talked about already...then my apologies!

Will the show of tonight be online? It's on at 03:00 AM and I would like to record it....if possible of course.

[Miss Scarlet]

And those freaks have the nerve to say that Natalee dressed like a slut.  They need to take a close look at so manyyyyy of their own. They make me sick. Even this girl has on more clothes than most of the locals down there, lmao.

She clearly does not have the figure she thinks she has, or she would not dress like that.  She must not own a mirror either.