Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 - 3/10/08

[Hotshot]

AUDIO update from the St. Louis Travel show!

We have a few updates from Sunny:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/030908a.mp3
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/030908b.mp3
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/030908c.mp3

Great updates Sunny!  You guys ROCK!

Unmanned, empty?  Good Job Monkeys!!!!!  Who all is there at the booth?  Mr. Smith isn't there is he?  Fill us in.......I can't wait!!  

[Nut44x4]

  cool Sunny!! TY....TY you all!!

[Finbar]

I think Kaloes had there own WIFI hotspot on the Island.

The independed means they have there own hotspot and not part of the Setar net

http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/loc/7/2432137.php

check this out

CAPS,

Yes. This has been my contention for several years now. There are others that will verify that I came up with this idea several years ago. I even sent this info to Dave at that same time I figured this out.

The map link posted earlier in the thread is the same one from Buki Di Telefoon Aruba 2005 showing the Wi-Fi HotSpots.

2K would have to be aware of Wi-Fi. What - own an Internet Cafe and not have that option for customers? They prolly even sold the pre-paid cards for Wi-Fi at their Cafe.

Wi-Fi is often called "the hippie network." One could string a series of Wi-Fi HotSpots, covering a local area, and peeps could receive internet access for free.

It is a broadcast signal through the air waves. So, it could be hacked by someone with that skill. If one has their own personal Wi-Fi router, one can make it accessible only with a password. Got iPod Touch?

The other aspect is that is that Wi-Fi can be accessed via cell phone, pda's, computer, laptop, etc..

Me thinks the range is limited.

This is the aspect that most likely hindered the investigation. The suspects used Wi-Fi to make it appear that they were at a location, where they were not really located there.

Example: Use cell phone to call from the (insert any location here) and access home computer. Logon and send your friend a text message  email. When computer records and emails are investigated - it will make it appear that the person is at home, when they are not. Maybe this is what ALE meant by computer timeclock tampering.

I believe that some ALE on Aruba honestly tries to investigate, but the conflicting information(alibi/lies of Wi-Fi) proved to support the suspects. Then the coverup began.

Wi-Fi - It's the next best thing to being there....

Fin

[Tamikosmom]

According to international source
Paul van der Sloot gave Joran quite the gift
DIARIO Aruba
11/11/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Thursday, DIARIO received a call from a contact who was in Holland, about the case of Natalee Holloway, who was following Joran van der Sloot’s steps.

This person told DIARIO that he was in Holland last month, where he was staying for a few months.

He said that Joran was staying in a house a little outside Arnhem with his father and is studying at Hoge School Arnhem.

The person says Joran is living a life like the majority of students in Holland do, where he goes to school, studies and goes out until late at night.

Joran met a girl who he didn’t know was working for a  for a known magazine and went out to drink with her and tried to seduce her.

The girl was trying to find as much information as possible, for an article on which she was working.

One of the times that Joran went out with the girl, he showed her a portable DVD player that he got as a gift from his mother and father after he got out of KIA.

What surprises that girl was when Joran showed a movie that his father gave him as a gift.

The movie he showed the girl was a pornographic one and he said his father gave it to him, so that he wouldn’t fall asleep in class at school.

According to the Dutch reporter, Joran went to see a few football matches in Holland with his father and they also went to England to see a Manchester United match.

The intention was also for them to go to an East European country to see a Champions League match.

According to DIARIO’s contact who was in Holland, Joran van der Sloot was planning last month to go live with his two friends in student housing, close to the school he’s attending and he will come to Aruba to vacation in Easter Christmas, where he will come see his mother again who hasn’t gone to Holland.

[translated by Getagrip]

// posted by Getagrip @ 11/11/2005 10:58:00 AM   
G o o g l e's cache of http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_06_archive.html

 

It can be assumed that Joran's younger brothers are receiving the same message from their father ... their role model ... the message which implies that women/girls are not worthy of respect.

Janet

[caesu]

O.T.

this is dutch prime minister Balkenende:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadlDvcO_YQ

[Jo-An]

O.T.

this is dutch prime minister Balkenende:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadlDvcO_YQ

Wow, great montage!!!        

[Nut44x4]

LegallyLex posts at BFN
Today at 04:15:12 PM

The Persistence is still in Mexico.  They hit a bad weather pattern when they were there refueling.  John tells me now that it looks like Wednesday  night or Thursday morning until they make it home.  I will keep you updated as she updates me.   

[klaasend]

FYI
Here is the next travel show opportunity for those in the Houston area:

http://www.houstontravelshow.com/

[Destiny]

O.T.

this is dutch prime minister Balkenende:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadlDvcO_YQ

 

[klaasend]

O.T.

this is dutch prime minister Balkenende:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadlDvcO_YQ

 

[Tamikosmom]

September 30, 2005

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326

JORAN NAILED!
The prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway has dramatically broken a four-month silence to talk about her final hours.

Speaking about his involvement in the case that has gripped America, Joran van der Sloot, 18, laughed as he swigged beer, smoked menthol cigarettes, and confessed: "I'm guilty — but only of leaving her on the beach." In a series of shocking disclosures, van der Sloot:



RAGED viciously at Natalee's heartbroken mother, Beth Holloway Twitty
INSULTED Natalee by claiming she was "twisted" and cruelly blamed her for his arrest.
BOASTED about having sex on the beach with Natalee
TALKED of his hatred for Americans and called them "bitches"
CONFESSED he lied to police
BRAGGED about how to dispose of a body in Aruba

Joran, still officially under suspicion of rape and murder, went to Holland after he was freed from prison in Aruba on September 2.

The 6ft 5ins honor student quickly enrolled in a business course at a 5,000-student college in Arnhem and, together with his father, Paulus, who was also briefly jailed in the case, moved into a family friend's home in the nearby town of Duiven.

His account of his involvement with Natalee was given to attractive 28-year-old Kristina Pedersen, who got to know him on the Arnhem Business School campus. Over several days, he drank heavily, encouraged Kristina to watch hard core porn and tried to force himself on her. And it quickly became apparent that even now Joran cannot keep his story straight — his account was peppered with the lies that have marked his From Page 34 part in the investigation since Natalee disappeared on May 30.

Kristina said: "One day we shared a jug of beer. Joran looked me in the eye and said, 'Here's to finding Natalee'. "Half an hour later he was trying to kiss me and lure me to a deserted area of a park. Then he suddenly asked me, 'Do you want me to bite you?'"

When asked why he left Aruba, Joran laughed and said: "I was in jail for three months... for a missing girl." He insisted on taking Kristina to the college internet station, where he showed her accounts of the case. "There were pictures of him in handcuffs — and he was obviously enjoying showing them to me. He seemed to think that was pretty cool. It made me nervous." Then, as they drank beer in a pub called De Hangar on September 23, Joran began to give Kristina his version of what happened to Natalee.

"He said that she approached him in Carlos 'N' Charlie's bar and bought a couple of rounds', " Kristina said.

Joran revealed that Natalee lay on the bar and invited him to lick a "jelly shot" — vodka frozen in jelly — from her navel.

"He said Natalee then asked him, 'Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay'," Kristina added.

In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home — not to the beach. Kristina said: "They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.

"They decided to go for a walk on the beach, and the Kalpoes left. He told me, 'Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk. We had sex on the beach'."

Yet in a TV interview recorded just a day later, Joran denied having sex with Natalee and claimed they just "cuddled."

Said Kristina: "He went on, 'Afterwards I asked her if she wanted to go home with me because I had to get up early for school. She said she didn't want to go back there. I told her I had to go, and asked if I could walk her home. She said, 'No — I want to be on my own. I'm staying here.' I left her and went home."

Kristina added: "Joran continued, 'I felt guilty leaving her on the beach. I probably shouldn't have done that, but she wouldn't walk back with me. I had to lie about what happened to the girl because I was the last person to see her. If the lie had been kept up, none of this would have happened'."

[JE]

O.T.

this is dutch prime minister Balkenende:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tadlDvcO_YQ

Yep. Sadly we got the Harry Potter without the magic LOL

[WhiskeyGirl]

Probably a smaller trap than what Persistence is looking for but look how this one man lifts the trap easily.  A trap twice this size could easily be lifted by 2 people.

It also shows how irregular the shape of the trap may be.  Also, how easily it fits on a boat.

[Finbar]

Lawyers should never ask a Nederlands grandma a question if they aren't prepared for the answer.

In a trial, Jorg the prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grandmotherly, elderly woman to the stand. He approached her and asked, 'Mrs. Anita, do you know me?' She responded, 'Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Jorg. I've known you since you we re a boy, and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you'll never amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you.'

The the lawyer was stunned. Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, 'Mrs. Anita, do you know the defense attorney?'

She again replied, 'Why yes, I do. I've known Mr. Sloot since he was a
youngster, too. He's lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem. He can't build a normal relationship with anyone, and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire Amsterdam Area. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women. One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him.'

The defense attorney nearly died.

The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said, 'If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I'll send you both to the electric chair.'

Shango says Guess who the Judge is

LOL

Mr. L. van Gijin (August 1st 2000)

CAPS, is the above lawyer story true?


Fin

[Blonde]

Probably a smaller trap than what Persistence is looking for but look how this one man lifts the trap easily.  A trap twice this size could easily be lifted by 2 people.

It also shows how irregular the shape of the trap may be.  Also, how easily it fits on a boat.

Even as small as this boat

[WhiskeyGirl]

From PearlinUSA at BFN -

Dutch article talking about TV diagnosing of Joran:

At seeing the undercoverbeelden of Joran of of the ditch, descended at a lot of experts the alarm bell Len. , All they saw psychiatrists, psychologists, dermatologen, lawyers and pokeraars immediately what had something up him. And that is rather what. To get rid of the overview not entirely, lijstje.

 1. According to slab baker, psychologist and columnist, Joran are psychopatic, a psychopaat. Someone who shows derogatory behaviour by an abnormal character and therefore maintain itself effort has to in the society. According to baker this diagnosis moreover also applies to father of of the ditch.

 2. Joran have an antisocial life style. He has a instrumentele relation with an others and lack of empathy, weet psychologe Corine the rider

3. He has deadly prostaatvocht. According to seriousness Stolz hoogleraar dermatologie, then she touched Natalee in an asthmatic shock came into contact with Joran's ` body juices.

4. Are lawyer Bert the Rooij typify Joran as a serial liar. The man explained himself when to also no longer know he must believe its customer.

 5. Joran are gok - drugs - and sex-addicted according to Dick Trubendorffer, ervaringsdeskundige and director of an addiction clinic.

 6. Bethany Marshall, an American psychoanalist, recognises sociopaat in Joran. Someone without responsibility who can contract no contacts with others.

 7. Professional pokerspeler Rolf Slotboom has exhaustively studied the body language of Joran and can by means of its rood walked towards oortjes observe that Joran are a real bluffer.

 Sanne van Ettinger at  http://www.revu.nl/10670

[klaasend]

Blonde - yes and the SeaPro of the Gottenbos is quite a bit larger than that small fisherman's boat. 

[JE]

for all dutch posters caesu, Jo-an, katrien, flipper etc
Maybe you all have seen this
http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
it s a website by rene van nie (father of nada van Nie) a dutch writer cinematographer
He lives in aruba has a coffeeshop there (the kind where they serve coffee) which apparently is close to deepaks internet cafe and he has lots of info in the link.
Almost on a day to day basis from when the case started he posts updates on it. Maybe we could bring some relevant info over here?
I ve been reading some but the layout gives me a headache. He hammers on the corruption of all the, in his eyes not very talented judges and prosecuters holland keeps sending to aruba.

One of his post is about june 17th when PVDS was taken in for a 4 hour investigation

Overigens zijn vader, een man die de regels van het recht moet volgen en toepassen vindt het
geen enkel probleem dat zijn zoon op 17jarige leeftijd auto rijdt -dus niet verzekerd is want hij heeft geen rijbewijs-
en nachtenlang mag zitten gokken in casino's waar je ook 18 jaar voor moet zijn. Vader gaat er dus heel arrogant van uit dat als daar problemen van komen hij dat 'wel even regelt'. Ik vind dat die man - ook al heeft hij niets gedaan - van het eiland moet worden gezet.

His father, a man who is supposed to abide the law sees no problem in his 17 year old son driving a car, not insured since he has no drivers licence, or spending nights gambling in casino's that require one to be 18. Father arrogantly assumes that if problems arise he will take care of them. I believ that that man even if he didn't do anything should be kicked of the island

and...

Overigens zijn er overhuis bij de v.d.Sloten 'vrienden' waarvan de de man een hoge piet is bij het Nederlandse O.M. Dat mag ook niet.
Dat schept een heel verkeerd beeld. Is dit dan opnieuw arrogantie van een andere justitie man? Waar halen die knakker toch de lef vandaan -sommige rechters en ander ongeregeld in dit geval - zich een soort van boven de wet te stellen.

Also there are some "friends" staying at the sloot house the husband is a big shot in the dutch OM. THat is not allowed. That puts forward a wrong image. Is this again the arrogance of the other justice man? Where do these guys get the nerve- some judges and other trash in this case- to put themselves above the law.

[katrien]

From PearlinUSA at BFN -

Dutch article talking about TV diagnosing of Joran:

At seeing the undercoverbeelden of Joran of of the ditch, descended at a lot of experts the alarm bell Len. , All they saw psychiatrists, psychologists, dermatologen, lawyers and pokeraars immediately what had something up him. And that is rather what. To get rid of the overview not entirely, lijstje.

 1. According to slab baker, psychologist and columnist, Joran are psychopatic, a psychopaat. Someone who shows derogatory behaviour by an abnormal character and therefore maintain itself effort has to in the society. According to baker this diagnosis moreover also applies to father of of the ditch.

 2. Joran have an antisocial life style. He has a instrumentele relation with an others and lack of empathy, weet psychologe Corine the rider

3. He has deadly prostaatvocht. According to seriousness Stolz hoogleraar dermatologie, then she touched Natalee in an asthmatic shock came into contact with Joran's ` body juices.

4. Are lawyer Bert the Rooij typify Joran as a serial liar. The man explained himself when to also no longer know he must believe its customer.

 5. Joran are gok - drugs - and sex-addicted according to Dick Trubendorffer, ervaringsdeskundige and director of an addiction clinic.

 6. Bethany Marshall, an American psychoanalist, recognises sociopaat in Joran. Someone without responsibility who can contract no contacts with others.

 7. Professional pokerspeler Rolf Slotboom has exhaustively studied the body language of Joran and can by means of its rood walked towards oortjes observe that Joran are a real bluffer.

 Sanne van Ettinger at  http://www.revu.nl/10670

Thanks for the quote Whiskey Girl.

1. Volgens Bram Bakker, psycholoog en columnist, is Joran psychopathisch, een psychopaat. Iemand die door een abnormaal karakter afwijkend gedrag vertoont en dus moeite heeft om zich in de samenleving te handhaven. Volgens Bakker geldt deze diagnose overigens ook voor vader Van der Sloot.

Bram Bakker is a psychiatrist. (again a little mistake from Nieuwe Revu).


If the stories about what Joran did do to his dog are true, I dont see any reason to doubt the diagnosis of Bram Bakker.

[Pita]

Klaas
While I am ignoring you could you answer a question for me?  Please update me on the situation with the Sloot computers.  Was it a desktop that Val accessed or did the Sloots also have a laptop?  Would it have been Paulus?  Could he have had it in his jeep that morning at 4 AM?  Just thinking here. TIA

At the time the Sloots said they only had one computer. Desktop computer for all so they could monitor the kids actions ........ LMAoooooooo, as effin' if.
LIES LIES LIES! I bet they had at least 2, probably even 3.

Paulus had a laptop.

VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There's no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran's room on my desk. And I just had a field trip with middle-schoolers and I took pictures of a sand sculpturing project that we were doing because I'm an art teacher and there were like maybe 20, 25 pictures on it and I told the police, listen, this is material I want to use for school but for the rest there's nothing on it. You can look at it but they took that too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

They took all kind of things from Joran, a little kind of an MP3 player. They took tapes, also a tape of his tennis, college tennis camp. And the second time they took — they did a house searching, the garden, the pool. They took the two cars.