Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08

[Shell]

i didn't surprise me on the one hand, but i was surprised it never really came out. also, earlier you posted something about the dog incident and it mentioned a merryweather. i suspect this may be sidney merryweather. similar age, wonder if we can somehow verify the dog thing.

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Well the entire Van Der Sloot and Hugen Family has been quiet,we don't even know which ones are paul's brothers or why him and his son are so protected. They know the names of all of Dave's kids,every MB student and everything about Natalee and her Family. Very little has come out for obvious reasons as we know years ago Van Der Straten use to work for PVDS,the more thats unraveled the more disgusted we will all be by how well he knows everyone that was involved. It is probably true with the two Judges Wit and Smit as well. It would not suprise me if other Fathers of the pimps influenced the Investigation in Aruba also.

Peter De Vries also reported about Joran killing his own dog in his first show and I take it as a fact. He killed his own pet dumped it in the Moko pond and tried to blame it on this kid. However there probably is no police record of that thanks to Van Der Straten and Pauls friends in the ALE. We saw a similar thingnder from the reports of the 3 girls who said they were drugged and assaulted by Joran,they went to the police and nothing was done. They came forward again after Natalee dissapeared but then  stepped back after Dennis Jacobs talked to them. When the KLPD looked into this,her Psychiatrist said that she was drugged and abused by Joran,but Dennis Jacobs said she was not willing to come forward because she was still in love with Joran 

Johan Va nderstratten should be arrested and put UNDER the jail.  Had he been doing the job he was supposed to do, that island would not be the mess it is.  As well many people, including NH would  be alive and many would not have been robbed, raped and abused.
    Jack Blue

I think so too Jack. And to think one of the Aruban posters was adamant that VdS was so dedicated to justice. That was a bunch of BS, in my opinion.

[jackb]

One of the few times we have heard Chief Dolf Richardson say jack he said that he believed they never were at the beach but very well could have been at the Van der Sloot house. Of course that was almost two years ago and Dolf still hasn't done jack.

De Vries said his ALE sources told him the same thing in 2006,he said then that they don't think they ever went to the Beach but went to the VDS house and something happened by the garden. If you look at all the early NE articles they say there ALE source thinks she was drugged and taken back to the house. Here we are in 2008,they have 24 detectives on the case,Mos is blaming Natalee's Family and the American Media but yet we were closer to solving this on June 10th 2005 

I think that the Sloots laid back attitude towards their eldest came back to bite them in the buttocks. Party at Sloots got out of hand. MHO but I could be wrong.

Joran may have gone to sleep, Palus came over and started his thing which enraged Joran when he awakened and went babanas.  Anita could have been home and caught Palus.  They are distancing Anita from the scene too.  I believe she was at that house when bad things happened.    Jack blue

[Shell]

My apologies for messing up the quotes JackB  I do that sometimes.

[Observer]

Camera 2 of Pontje and Patrick

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Netherlands gets first book Van der Eem

The book which Patrick van der Eem his story about Joran van der Sloot has record is located in the Netherlands earlier in the store than in the United States. Initially, it would be only in the US. Last month it was announced that the infiltrator of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries to Aruba on a book worked.

Foreign Media Books Publishing House late Monday that "Overboord. How I Joran van der Sloot to the talk got around June 25 appears. The English title of the by E.E. Byars written book reads' Disposed '(' Weggewerkt '). The first chapter can be done from Monday already in the house met via mobile phone. Downloading the so-called 'movel "with a text message must be requested.

The Aruban entrepreneur from Almelo was early last month worldwide. In his car with hidden cameras Joran van der Sloot told him several times how he has contracted to Natalee Holloway in the sea to dump. Those images were broadcast in a special broadcast of De Vries by more than seven million people was followed.

Last week, the man who Van der Sloot in his car was still emptying discredited. Following an interview for a television channel claimed Aruban Van der Eem that he knew Joran for years, while he had against De Vries said that they are back in a half an Nijmegen casino for the first time to bump had walked. Also he said they know who the body of Holloway has dumped into the sea. Joran would have offered him money to the name of this man not to reveal. The Aruban presenter was then threatened by Van der Eem when he came out that his words had a camera.


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[Observer]

Something just isn't right about Patrick and this book,I feel like he isn't 100% honest about Joran and these 10 confessions..I sure hope this isn't some type of scam so Joran can buy that house in spain

[Observer]

   
public ministry wanted one copy of the conversacion of poentje castro cu van der eem email monday, 10 march 2008

public ministry owing to ask send one copy of the conversacion cu one presentador place of television owing to the bottom patrick van der eem. Van der eem, the dutch aruban cu previously know of draws for joran of van der sloot some afirmacion on desaparicion of natalee holloway, in one declaration of policy in 'a day in bida' will tell cu owing to the fact van der sloot is enough end first time cu peter r. Vries, owing to pidi'e for undercover bay. Ministerio public wanted determines locual being owing to tell precisely door of van der eem. If the conversacion is relevant for one judicial decision in the case against van der sloot, the hour public ministry is the place imagennan also cu together the 'dossier' of punishment of joran van der sloot, according ministerio audience. Now we will investigate locual is the relevance ey! Presentador of television, poentje castro diabierna owing to let know cu van der eem owing to menaz'e cu dead because el'a grab'e scondi! The imagennan still not owing to being present at television of aruba but on youtube if can see this part. Diabierna public ministry owing to the lga know cu conversacionnan filmed among joran van der sloot and van der eem in his car is stop on his self. "The expresionnan recien of van der eem of not less nothing of esaki," according husticia.

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[texasmom]

Well the entire Van Der Sloot and Hugen Family has been quiet,we don't even know which ones are paul's brothers or why him and his son are so protected. They know the names of all of Dave's kids,every MB student and everything about Natalee and her Family. Very little has come out for obvious reasons as we know years ago Van Der Straten use to work for PVDS,the more thats unraveled the more disgusted we will all be by how well he knows everyone that was involved. It is probably true with the two Judges Wit and Smit as well. It would not suprise me if other Fathers of the pimps influenced the Investigation in Aruba also.

Peter De Vries also reported about Joran killing his own dog in his first show and I take it as a fact. He killed his own pet dumped it in the Moko pond and tried to blame it on this kid. However there probably is no police record of that thanks to Van Der Straten and Pauls friends in the ALE. We saw a similar thingnder from the reports of the 3 girls who said they were drugged and assaulted by Joran,they went to the police and nothing was done. They came forward again after Natalee dissapeared but then  stepped back after Dennis Jacobs talked to them. When the KLPD looked into this,her Psychiatrist said that she was drugged and abused by Joran,but Dennis Jacobs said she was not willing to come forward because she was still in love with Joran 

Johan Va nderstratten should be arrested and put UNDER the jail.  Had he been doing the job he was supposed to do, that island would not be the mess it is.  As well many people, including NH would  be alive and many would not have been robbed, raped and abused.
    Jack Blue

I agree Jack Blue, except I would add that Dennis Jacobs fat ass should be right on top of Vanderstraaten, with BOTH OF THEIR "disgrace to the field of law enforcement" asses UNDER THE JAIL!  I'm trying not to picture that, but that is what should be done.
 
I "think" I straightened out the quote stack...and I apologize for being mean, I've tried to teach my boys not to be that way so I should try to set a good example. 

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:00 PM

[hotping]

Nite Janet!

[klaasend]

Nite Janet

[hotping]

Something just isn't right about Patrick and this book,I feel like he isn't 100% honest about Joran and these 10 confessions..I sure hope this isn't some type of scam so Joran can buy that house in spain

You know OB I've had the same thoughts about this book deal...but...I'm going to give Patrick the benefit of the doubt only because it appears that Beth trust Him.  I Just Pray that its All on the Up and Up!

[Bearlyhere]

I love the shirts, the monkeys, and the girl!

 

[klaasend]

I love the shirts, the monkeys, and the girl!

 

  I see you found them!

[Shell]

Something just isn't right about Patrick and this book,I feel like he isn't 100% honest about Joran and these 10 confessions..I sure hope this isn't some type of scam so Joran can buy that house in spain

That would suck. Lets hope that is not the case.

[Shell]

Oh my, I meant to say that would stink. A lot about this case reeks. Where is the embarrassed monkey?

[texasmom]

For now I am give Patrick Van der Eem the benefit of the doubt.  All information that discredits him that I'm aware of has come from Poentje Castro's show on Aruban television, and sketchy translations of it. 

Peter R. Devries has a very good reputation in his field as a crime reporter and as far as I know he has supported Patrick to this point.   Last week Peter, Patrick, Beth, and Bram Moszkowicz, all appeared on the Robert Jensen show. There was no indication of a problem with Patrick's status as a contributor attempting to resolve this case.  At this point I don't believe that Patrick has known Joran for years, or that his work with Peter was a set-up by him and Joran.  I don't believe that the whole story of what happened to Natalee was shown in the Dutch or the US showings of the recordings of Joran's conversations with Patrick.  However I do believe that many eyes were opened to the true nature of Joran Vandersloot through his words, his tone, and his body language.  In almost three years this had not been accomplished by anyone.  I know that Patrick has a criminal past, he's admitted that.  And frankly, that doesn't matter to me.  If indeed more was learned than was revealed and Devries was not aware of it, I think we will hear about it eventually.  Peter and Patrick had both met with Hans Mos before the airing of Castro's show, and as far as I know Patrick has not been requested to return for another interview since.  Mos may have already had the information revealed in the secret recording of Patrick by Castro. 

I am suspicious of Castro's motives in producing the show to begin with.  Has he done anything in an effort for justice in this case before he felt inclined to discredit the man who helped show the world Joran Vandersloot's true colors? 

With more information, my opinion may change regarding Patrick Van der Eem, but for now I still appreciate what he's done.  Just my opinion. 
 
 

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Shell 

[hotping]

For now I am give Patrick Van der Eem the benefit of the doubt.  All information that discredits him that I'm aware of has come from Poentje Castro's show on Aruban television, and sketchy translations of it. 

Peter R. Devries has a very good reputation in his field as a crime reporter and as far as I know he has supported Patrick to this point.   Last week Peter, Patrick, Beth, and Bram Moszkowicz, all appeared on the Robert Jensen show. There was no indication of a problem with Patrick's status as a contributor attempting to resolve this case.  At this point I don't believe that Patrick has known Joran for years, or that his work with Peter was a set-up by him and Joran.  I don't believe that the whole story of what happened to Natalee was shown in the Dutch or the US showings of the recordings of Joran's conversations with Patrick.  However I do believe that many eyes were opened to the true nature of Joran Vandersloot through his words, his tone, and his body language.  In almost three years this had not been accomplished by anyone.  I know that Patrick has a criminal past, he's admitted that.  And frankly, that doesn't matter to me.  If indeed more was learned than was revealed and Devries was not aware of it, I think we will hear about it eventually.  Peter and Patrick had both met with Hans Mos before the airing of Castro's show, and as far as I know Patrick has not been requested to return for another interview since.  Mos may have already had the information revealed in the secret recording of Patrick by Castro. 

I am suspicious of Castro's motives in producing the show to begin with.  Has he done anything in an effort for justice in this case before he felt inclined to discredit the man who helped show the world Joran Vandersloot's true colors? 

With more information, my opinion may change regarding Patrick Van der Eem, but for now I still appreciate what he's done.  Just my opinion. 
 
 

Very Thoughtful Post TM! I Agree! 

[hotping]

Oh my, I meant to say that would stink. A lot about this case reeks. Where is the embarrassed monkey?

 

[klaasend]

Someone just posted an observation at RU.  Moonshadows aka K Hemmingway hasn't posted at RU since Joran's confession.