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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08  (Read 299083 times)
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« Reply #360 on: March 11, 2008, 09:44:28 PM »

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

As long as they are not size 14.   LOL   j/b
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« Reply #361 on: March 11, 2008, 09:44:56 PM »

Segment with Drew Peterson is over.  Dana mostly just had a conversation with Drew Peterson, Dana did not interrogate him. 

thanks Klaas...I can't even stand to hear his voice....I'd love to cut his bxlls off!!!

Oh geeze...I'll trade you 4 marbles... a twinkie from my lunch...and, my roller skates..if...if... if you let me cut just one off...puleeezzzzze...huh...wouldja...huh????

Oh you push a hard bargain....OK...you got one

Awright...hands Sunny 4 chipped marbles...1 stale twinkie...pair old rusty roller skates...and a can of WD40....now, gimme the dull knife!

roflmao!!!

I'll just wait for my Easter outfit. I know it will be puuurty!!!

Well Ma'am...Yo Sho wuz puuuurty on that thar radio t'nite ...

Hugs to Ya!!!

thanks so much...I am not kidding when I tell you how nervous I was!!! lol
Glad I couldn't hear myself!! I'll take your word for it!! lol
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« Reply #362 on: March 11, 2008, 09:45:46 PM »

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

As long as they are not size 14.   LOL   j/b

that was too funny!!!
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« Reply #363 on: March 11, 2008, 09:48:50 PM »

GREAT SHOW DANA!

did anyone get those ladies website????
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women in crime?


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« Reply #364 on: March 11, 2008, 09:50:26 PM »

I also agree with you on them closing the case. A couple of times they have said it was closed only to scramble and say no it is not closed. I am curious though if a private attorney prosecutes the case, do they have the same powers that the prosecutor has?


I think they will do anything not to have to turn over the documents in the case because there is so much that is missing and has been tampered with by the prosecutor and police that they will certainly be exposed.

We are not dealing with rocket scientists here. Bloggers spotted the cover-up the first week. The Arubans just thought they were omnipotent and they are in their own little suburb-sized island but they are nothing but a speck of fly shit on the world stage and have proven themselves to be just that over and over again.
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« Reply #365 on: March 11, 2008, 10:03:59 PM »




I have no faith in Hans Mos. He has ignored the cover-up to date and failed at every task he has performed. I believe he is conducting a low level cover-up of his own with Dop Kruimel in tow. Something about Aruba turns all of the asshole into criminals. Clean investigative, prosecutorial and judicial leadership from Holland is the only way we will get a prosecution in Natalee's case.


Dayhiker, I don't know a lot what Hans Mos has been stating / doing so I can't really give an opinion but from what I've seen and heard of Hans Mos I don't get that impression of him. At least I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Especially after I read an article in 'de Volkskrant'.

Hans Mos had a meeting with Peter R. de Vries (when Peter thought he had enough evidence); Peter showed him the confession. Hans Mos suggested to Peter R. de Vries the quotes of Joran weren't good enough for murder because it wasn't clear if Joran knew for certain that Natalee was dead. Peter went back to Holland and did another taping with a lot of questions whether Joran knew for certain if she was dead. He got the quotes Hans Mos needed so Joran is now a suspect of murder.
You can look at this as Hans Mos trying to cover up (OM Aruba knew of the undercover operation before the last taping occured so maybe that could cause trouble in a trial).

But if it was likely to cause a lot of trouble for the case Peter R. de Vries wouldn't have done another taping...the confession was already there and for his televisionshow he didn't need more material. So I'm thinking Hans Mos probably asked Peter R. de Vries to help him...and he did.

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I have to agree with dayhiker. I think he started with good intentions but allowed himself to become just another puppet of Aruba's.
What he did to Beth and Dave in inexcuseable. To call them over Thanksgiving and lure them to Aruba with "new evidence" and once again "false hopes" only to sit and interogate them for hours about Natalee's "habits", now how is that representing Justice?
And what did John Q. Kelly say after, there is no new evidence. He is playing the same game now as the rest of them imho. He has been bought and payed for.
And lets face it, for Aruba to prosecute now, they would also have to admit to the cover up by the police and officials from day 1...I don't think they will le that happen.
My hope lies in Beth and a civil case. Sending my prayers to her!!!
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Sorry I'm working backwards here. Hell yeah Ldstlou, that stunt by Hans Mos reminded me very much of Karin Jannsen writing our State Department asking if Beth was related to Hitler. Just when you think you've got a Dutch prosecutor with his or her head  together they shit and fall back in it.

What has Hans Mos accomplished so far? Nothing. Where was Hans Mos before Peter and Patrick handed him a confession on a silver platter? Nowhere. What has Hans done with the confession? Not a damn thing.

Hans Mos is struggling with how he can close the case with the hot potato Peter and Patrick handed him. He makes excuses for everything, he has no intention of prosecuting the case. He is a bag of hot air hired to be a bag of hot air.
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« Reply #366 on: March 11, 2008, 10:06:23 PM »

Put yourselves in jorans place

No matter what other people may or may not wish upon you
it can never be worse than what you have done to yourself
No one will ever believe a word you say
indifference at the least and hatred at the most is your fate
and the worst part is that nothing you can do will change this
if you confess to clear your conscience you will need proof to support it
but just as there is no proof that you are responsible there is neither proof that you re not
In the eyes of the world you re guilty and all you say beyond this point will be perceived as a lie
in other words do not worry about what others wish upon you
there is no hell worse than the one you ve created for yourself

JE...that's true ...if you are normal...there is nothing normal about jvds.......he has no soul.....how many normal 17yo's have there own apartment, where they, with the approval of their parents, are allowed to have young women come and spend the night,...how old are these young women?? how many are allowed to drink and gamble and even have VIP passes to bars (C&C), how many have father's who accompany them to casino's to gamble and buy them porno, how many normal 17yo's have unlimited amounts of money??...the list goes on and on.....no, there is nothing normal about jvds.......he will harm another young woman....it will happen...unless he is STOPPED


I agree with you both. Joran has created his own hell on Earth. While I am sure he feels no guilt for his crime, his life as it exists has to be miserable. He is a pariah as long as he walks on the face of this planet. He has a big red "M" tatooed on his forehead and will forever be looking over his shoulder because there are always going to be people out there that will want to take him out.

It was said earlier by that psychiatrist person that Joran likes to win. So far he has won the battle of staying out of prison, but he has lost every bit of respect he ever had in the eyes of the world and, as JE so eloquently put it, that is a battle he will never win.

Sunny, he is a died in the wool criminal, he will always be a career criminal, and hopefully the Dutch will see to it that he ends up in prison like a criminal.


He is a product of his parents, and he will be stopped. One way or another.
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« Reply #367 on: March 11, 2008, 10:08:28 PM »

Hope you guys are listening to this interview on Dana Pretzer, great interview with these women.
 

I listened to it a few.  If it an't monkey business I don't have much time for it.  I will be glad when NH is home and justice is served.  I am going on a real vacation where nothing is on my mind.   j/b
You have a good one ! !  I go to work where nothing is on my mind LOL..  ( Feds 'ya know, we just sit on our ample azzes all day and do nada, except brush our blonde hair ! )
Seriously, I am taking some time off later into the spring also.
This case has been tough on alot of people. So much bs from Aruba, Holland and Joran. 
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« Reply #368 on: March 11, 2008, 10:20:39 PM »

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....


OMG... Klaas, are you kidding?  i could never fill your shoes... I don't have the patience you do.... Lord, we would all be banned if I knew how.... there would be like 3 monkeys.

Try being in my shoes

As long as they are not size 14.   LOL   j/b

that was too funny!!!
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« Reply #369 on: March 11, 2008, 10:22:38 PM »

I messed that up big time...

and I am only kidding about 3 monkeys... it was a pun
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« Reply #370 on: March 11, 2008, 10:24:42 PM »

I messed that up big time...

and I am only kidding about 3 monkeys... it was a pun

You need your Easter outfit.  Want me to help you with it?
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« Reply #371 on: March 11, 2008, 10:27:15 PM »

I messed that up big time...

and I am only kidding about 3 monkeys... it was a pun

You need your Easter outfit.  Want me to help you with it?

yes please!
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« Reply #372 on: March 11, 2008, 10:31:09 PM »

Thanks!  I didn't mean to stop the conversation.... I save Dana's shows for when I am at work... with my headphones and then I really get to focus!
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« Reply #373 on: March 11, 2008, 10:34:53 PM »

Mrs. Red - you didn't stop the conversation, there's just no news in the case today.
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« Reply #374 on: March 11, 2008, 10:36:35 PM »

Mrs. Red - you didn't stop the conversation, there's just no news in the case today.

I see... unfortunately they don't seem like they get it yet in Aruba and refuse to do the right thing....
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« Reply #375 on: March 11, 2008, 10:38:22 PM »

I am out of here...

still standing with the girl and keeping the faith...but I have a book to finish for Chruch group... and the dang soup!

Nite y'all....
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« Reply #376 on: March 11, 2008, 10:41:25 PM »

I am out of here...

still standing with the girl and keeping the faith...but I have a book to finish for Chruch group... and the dang soup!

Nite y'all....

Nite Mrs. Red...you go stir your pot...we'll keep stirring this one...Fetching Easter Outfit!
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« Reply #377 on: March 11, 2008, 10:47:41 PM »

I am out of here...

still standing with the girl and keeping the faith...but I have a book to finish for Chruch group... and the dang soup!

Nite y'all....

Nite mrs. red.
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« Reply #378 on: March 11, 2008, 10:58:04 PM »

One thing is for certain. Aruba knows it is in a catch 22.

They are damned if they do and damed if they don't. They are even damned if they do and the suspects are not convicted.

They know that they are going to have to do something regarding prosecuting the Natalee case as they have all but admitted their tourism is floundering and has not hit rock bottom yet.

As the the famous line from the Maltese Falcon goes ... someone must take the fall.

Eventually there will be justice or Aruba will have no tourism ... they can pick their poison.

As we have always wanted answers for this family and justice ... hmm ... maybe that's my agenda.
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« Reply #379 on: March 11, 2008, 11:15:03 PM »

One thing is for certain. Aruba knows it is in a catch 22.

They are damned if they do and damed if they don't. They are even damned if they do and the suspects are not convicted.

They know that they are going to have to do something regarding prosecuting the Natalee case as they have all but admitted their tourism is floundering and has not hit rock bottom yet.

As the the famous line from the Maltese Falcon goes ... someone must take the fall.

Eventually there will be justice or Aruba will have no tourism ... they can pick their poison.

As we have always wanted answers for this family and justice ... hmm ... maybe that's my agenda.
To me -- the biggest puzzler has always been that Aruba would rather "win" the the skirmish and prove they are "safe" than to actually do what is moral and right. I can only surmize this is true because those with the power to do what is "right and moral" are so far deep in it themselves -- they have no choice.
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