Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08

[Bearlyhere]

I'll try not to laugh, LOL 

Klaas, I like your new avatar.  It begs the question, what came first, the monkey or the egg?   \                                                             

[klaasend]

I'll try not to laugh, LOL 

Klaas, I like your new avatar.  It begs the question, what came first, the monkey or the egg?   \                                                             

 

[Red]

One thing is for certain. Aruba knows it is in a catch 22.

They are damned if they do and damed if they don't. They are even damned if they do and the suspects are not convicted.

They know that they are going to have to do something regarding prosecuting the Natalee case as they have all but admitted their tourism is floundering and has not hit rock bottom yet.

As the the famous line from the Maltese Falcon goes ... someone must take the fall.

Eventually there will be justice or Aruba will have no tourism ... they can pick their poison.

As we have always wanted answers for this family and justice ... hmm ... maybe that's my agenda.

To me -- the biggest puzzler has always been that Aruba would rather "win" the the skirmish and prove they are "safe" than to actually do what is moral and right. I can only surmize this is true because those with the power to do what is "right and moral" are so far deep in it themselves -- they have no choice.

I have long given up that they would ever do what was morally right or correct. Actually that went by the board pretty soon into Natalee's disappearance. Anything thing  that Aruba does for this case and prosecution will be because they have to for their tourism sake.

What meager increases they have shown in tourism that still are way below pre-Natalee missing numbers are disastrous when one factors in the fact that Aruba had to slash their rates by some 50-60% to even get any one to go. No one has to belong to the math club to figure out the $'s are way down.

Ultimately they will have no choice. Every idea they have had has been wrong. They thought the case would go away, it did not. They thought we would go away ... we did not.

To those that have asked about an "agenda" and you know exactly who I am referring to ... maybe that's been our agenda here ... answers for Dave & Beth and Justice for Natalee.

[hotping]

I'll try not to laugh, LOL 

Klaas, I like your new avatar.  It begs the question, what came first, the monkey or the egg?   \                                                             

BH You have a Great Sense of Humor! LOL! 

[Bearlyhere]

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

There is no one who could fill your shoes!!!

                 

[klaasend]

Dana Pretzer show with Lisa talking about the St. Louis Travel Show boycott - thanks to Carpe:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RUZjhn1zsBs&amp;hl=en" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RUZjhn1zsBs&amp;hl=en</a>

[hotping]

Thank You Everyone for bringing this portion of Dana's Show forward for easy listening....I actually missed part of it due to bad timing by My Son who called....but I just want to say that Lisa You did a Fantastic job and Dana and You both Kidded Ass...Thanks Carpe and Klaas.....All Your Work is Very Much Appreciated! 

[Bearlyhere]

Hope you guys are listening to this interview on Dana Pretzer, great interview with these women.

Link to their website:

http://www.womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/



Lisa up next!

Nice sight!  Thanks, Klaas!!!

[klaasend]

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

There is no one who could fill your shoes!!!

                 

Those are similar to mine 

[Magnolia]

Great job Lisa!

You sound like a professional spokesperson.

[klaasend]

Great job Lisa!

You sound like a professional spokesperson.

She sounded wonderful didn't she?

[Destiny]

Klaas...if you have time...would you please send my email addy to *******?  TIA....Destiny

[Magnolia]

Glenda aka Renfro is such a load.

She posted at RU:

Glenda Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 pm   
Gov't Inspectors at the Entrance of every Casino

This is an absolute fact. Everyone who says it is not true has an agenda to discredit all information that comes from Aruba.

The question is why? 
========================================================
So, how did Joran get in to gamble so often?
Isn't there another rule that says a redident of Aruba can only
frequent a casino so many days per month.  That rule doesn't seem to
be enforced either.

[Destiny]

Great job Lisa!

You sound like a professional spokesperson.

She sounded wonderful didn't she?

Yes She did!  I've done a lot of radio/TV work in my past...I know that queasy feeling you get before a broadcast...She was Spectacular!

[klaasend]

Klaas...if you have time...would you please send my email addy to *******?  TIA....Destiny

Done 

[Destiny]

Glenda aka Renfro is such a load.

She posted at RU:

Glenda Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 pm   
Gov't Inspectors at the Entrance of every Casino

This is an absolute fact. Everyone who says it is not true has an agenda to discredit all information that comes from Aruba.

The question is why? 
========================================================
So, how did Joran get in to gamble so often?
Isn't there another rule that says a redident of Aruba can only
frequent a casino so many days per month.  That rule doesn't seem to
be enforced either.

Glenda...You are worn out...used up...worthless...your flapping gums must be bleeding by now...just give it up.  How afraid you must be...your paycheck is drying up...just like you...

[Destiny]

Klaas...if you have time...would you please send my email addy to *******?  TIA....Destiny

Done 

TY Sweetums...

[Bearlyhere]

Dana Pretzer show with Lisa talking about the St. Louis Travel Show boycott - thanks to Carpe:


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RUZjhn1zsBs&amp;hl=en" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RUZjhn1zsBs&amp;hl=en</a>

Great job, Lisa.  If that is what you are like when you are nervous, God help the person who picks a battle of the wits with you when you are completely calm.

 

[Bearlyhere]

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

There is no one who could fill your shoes!!!

                 

Those are similar to mine 

 

Don't look now, but I think your shoes are flirting with mine!   

 

[Tamikosmom]

Glenda aka Renfro is such a load.

She posted at RU:

Glenda Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 pm   
Gov't Inspectors at the Entrance of every Casino

This is an absolute fact. Everyone who says it is not true has an agenda to discredit all information that comes from Aruba.

The question is why? 
========================================================
So, how did Joran get in to gamble so often?
Isn't there another rule that says a redident of Aruba can only
frequent a casino so many days per month.  That rule doesn't seem to
be enforced either.

The protection of the tourist dollar that feeds an underground economy throughout the Carribean appears to have been the motivation behind the coverup in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.

Justice for Natalee Holloway would have demanded ... not just accountability from Joran or Paulus for their roles but ... also the the Excelsior Casino and Carlos and Charlies where ...  as John Q. Kelly stated ... the entire chain of events that resulted in the demise of an 18 year old American citizen would never have happened if an underage Joran van der Sloot had not been allowed on the premises to gamble and drink.

At 17 years of age ... could it be that Joran van der Sloot was already an active contributor to that underground economy ... the underground economy that encompasses gambling ... drugs ... pornography.  Could it be that this is the reason that those "government inspectors" who Julia Renfro refers to turned a blind eye.

Janet

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CARLOS 'N CHARLIES

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


EXCELSIOR CASINO

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39 - Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.  He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."  My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


RADISSON CASINO

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".