Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08

[bleachedblack]

...another pic of the demonstration in
aruba.

[private eye]

I wish we had the funds and expertise to do a direct mail to the citizens of Aruba:)

[bleachedblack]

...another pic of the demonstration in
aruba.

Here is a link to more...
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4116/5/#jc_allComments

[Destiny]

Could it be the beginning of a little civil unrest? Maybe Rudy will cough up part of the $65,000,000 he has made off the backs of the Arubian shoulders, or PVDS will cough up $1,000,000 to pay a small portion of the money he has forced Aruba to spend defending his guilty ass. Arubians, please note, your leaders and their pets are living the good life. Are you?

PE...this may sound very *dumb*..but it's been on my mind for about an hour...so, tossing it out there...

Can anyone who lives on/near Aruba, set up an internet chat board for the *poor disgruntled minions* to post/vent about the current unrest in Aruba?  I would be more than glad to help fund it!   Just imagine what kinds of things folks could/would post....especially if they are *mad as hell* and want to get back at *the powers that be*....yup...*hungry* folks will complain....

[private eye]

Could it be the beginning of a little civil unrest? Maybe Rudy will cough up part of the $65,000,000 he has made off the backs of the Arubian shoulders, or PVDS will cough up $1,000,000 to pay a small portion of the money he has forced Aruba to spend defending his guilty ass. Arubians, please note, your leaders and their pets are living the good life. Are you?

PE...this may sound very *dumb*..but it's been on my mind for about an hour...so, tossing it out there...

Can anyone who lives on/near Aruba, set up an internet chat board for the *poor disgruntled minions* to post/vent about the current unrest in Aruba?  I would be more than glad to help fund it!   Just imagine what kinds of things folks could/would post....especially if they are *mad as hell* and want to get back at *the powers that be*....yup...*hungry* folks will complain....

I've got to get back to work, I hope we can continue this later:)

[Jo-An]

Hi guys!
I've been checking the usual sites today for news about the case but all I could find this morning was a poll in one of our newspapers here in Holland (Metro).

The question was:

will you buy Patrick van der Eem's book when it comes out?
12% said yes
88% said no
 

Beth's book isn't doing too well either.
She didn't make this weeks Top 60 Bestsellers list.

[Keepthefaith]

I wish we had the funds and expertise to do a direct mail to the citizens of Aruba:)

I do direct mail with my company.Very effective.We use a company called Valpak.It usually is around $450 per zone.Get two Zones get third free.Each zone would probably hit estimated 15'000 homes.Three zones maybe around 45'000.Great advertising.Not to expensive and very effective.Here's alink i found.Question is.Would they let the monkey's do it??

http://www.postaruba.com/214.aspx


Keepthefaith

[jackb]

Great job Lisa!

You sound like a professional spokesperson.

She sounded wonderful didn't she?

heck yes, she sounded good.

[jackb]

i have  a HUGE headache after reading my emails....

going to make soup for Church for Lenten Services


Keep the faith....

Try being in my shoes

There is no one who could fill your shoes!!!

                 

Those are similar to mine 

 

Better watch them shoes, that monkey shoe got eyes and can see up yo dress.  jack blue

[Tamikosmom]

Chief of police Peter de Witte indicated that the police department is running with minimum staffing.  “We made good arrangements with the union and there is sufficient personnel present on the vital departments and to maintain the public order.”  He doesn’t know though how many police officers are on strike and for how long.

Sounds like they might need to call in the ...ta-daaaaaaaa...Beach Patrol     The wheels on the Bus go round and round...kkkkkKarma...

IIRC it was the Police Union that demanded that Jan van der Straten be re-instated as the Police Commissioner in charge of Natalee's case.

The Aruba police can thank themselves for their hard times. Tough shit.

Yeah, tough shit indeed, these people deserve no less and I truly hope the economic collapse of that island continues unabated. If the people of Aruba want to take back their island they could do it in a heartbeat through a coordinated uprising against the corrupt officials that got them into this mess. Until they take action--hint, you could start by advocating for the family of Natalee Holloway and stop with the BS--I'm not sheading a tear for anyone over there, period!

 


The Aruban people where so quick to defend the rights of those who had lied and obstructed the investigation into the disappearance of 18 year old American citizen.  They had no empathy ... no understanding ... no compassion ... regarding the outrage of an anguished mother who could not comprehend the release of Deepak and Satish.  They lack the insight that  Beth Twitty possessed ... the insight that told her that conflicts of interest abound ... that a corrupt investigation was denying her daughter justice.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++

AN ANGUISHED MOTHER'S PLEA

Beth Holloway Twitty
CNN LIVE TODAY
July 5, 2005
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.

I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven't seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.


THE ARUBAN PEOPLE NEGATE AN ANQUISHED MOTHER'S PLEA.

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 157/158
No one is breathing.  Or Moving.  Reporters and camera people are crying.  The media hve been here more than a month, and they've seen firthand what we've experienced.  They are moved by this plea.  But some of the Arubans are not.  Calling their local sons "criminals" offends them.  Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter.  Ifelt the term seemed appropriate.  But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

<snipped:

Not long after the "criminals speech," some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee.  A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media.  We've worn out our welcom at the Holiday Inn.  And they let us know they've had it.  The Arub Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trad and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media.  And to combat us.


John Merryweather
'Scarborough Country'
July 6, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/

SCARBOROUGH:  It sounds like things are really heating up in Aruba.  Give us the very latest. 

RON BLOME, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, they like to call this their slogan, one happy island.  But this fabric of politeness is what being frayed here.  There was a rally scheduled for last night for justice.  But after Beth Holloway came on the air yesterday and was very direct in calling the Kalpoe brothers criminals who had been left to walk the island, well, this protest last night turned into something else.  It was a protest against the media, and also against the very sharp language that Beth Twitty had used yesterday.

SCARBOROUGH:  One man who does understand it, though, is our next guest.  He is John Merryweather.  He's a former Aruban minister and was a participant in yesterday's protest.  Mr. Merryweather, thank you so much for being with us tonight.  Tell us, why were you involved in that protest?  What do you think that Natalee's mother did wrong?
 
JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT:  Well, first—no, no, first of all, I'd like to answer why I was at the—not protest.  It was a gathering in support of our justice system.  It was not a protest.  It never started out as a protest either.  I would like that to be very, very clear.  When I was there, I hadn't heard what the comments of Natalee's mother either of the day.  I was asked that after I was there.  I went there.  I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system.

<snipped?

SCARBOROUGH:  No, what did Natalee's mother say that offended so many people in Aruba?  

MERRYWEATHER:  Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.  You cannot—these two boys, I don't know them.  I don't know the parents.  I don't know anyone involved in this personally. 

But our justice system, as yours in the states, you are innocent until proven guilty.


AN ANQUISHED MOTHER'S INTIMIDATED APOLOGY

Beth Holloway Twitty
CNN - LAW CENTER
July 8, 2005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter's disappearance.

"The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is," Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. "I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that."

[jackb]

Glenda aka Renfro is such a load.

She posted at RU:

Glenda Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 pm   
Gov't Inspectors at the Entrance of every Casino

This is an absolute fact. Everyone who says it is not true has an agenda to discredit all information that comes from Aruba.

The question is why? 
========================================================
So, how did Joran get in to gamble so often?
Isn't there another rule that says a redident of Aruba can only
frequent a casino so many days per month.  That rule doesn't seem to
be enforced either.

Sure Glenda, just like these inspectors at this entrance.  Maybe they are "invisible inspectors" 

 
Could be Joran, could be val.  It is so blurry it could be anyone in Joran clothes, even Palus.

[katrien]

This was on  the Dutch Crimesite:

Joran vroeg Van der Eem om het zwijggeld

Daury, de man die volgens Joran van der Sloot het lichaam van Natalee Holloway heeft weggewerkt, wilde 2000 euro zwijggeld hebben. Joran vroeg dat geld, tijdens de vermaarde Range Rover-rit, aan Patrick van der Eem. ‘Maar die heeft dat nooit gegeven’, zegt Van der Eems woordvoerder.
In Revu van deze week gaat Van der Eems perschref Peter Schouten uitgebreid in op de opmerkelijke uitspraken die Patrick deed in het stiekem opgenomen Arubaanse tv-programma Un dia den Bida. Daarin liet Van der Eem zich tegenover de presentator Poentje Castro onder meer ontvallen dat hij ‘weet wie Natalee in zee heeft gegooid’. ‘Patrick zegt het op een wijze die duidelijk maakt dat het om een opinie gaat, geen wetenschap.’

Volgens Schouten is er geen sprake van dat presentator Poentje Castro door Van der Eem zou zijn bedreigd. Hij zegt dat Castro een slaatje wilde slaan uit de geheime opnamen. ‘Het was verbijsterend om te horen dat Castro deze banden aan Patrick wilde verkopen.’

In het gesprek had Van der Eem het over ‘minicamera’s’ in planten. ‘Dat was een idee van Patrick voordat hij in contact kwam met Peter R. de Vries, waarna het echte plan met de Range Rover ontstond.’

Stan de Jong & Koen Voskuil

This is what I read:

Joran asked v.d. Eem  hush-money.

Daury, the man which according to Joran v.d. S.  got rid of the body of Natalee Holloway, wanted 2000 euro hush-money.  Joran asked the money during the famous drive in the Range-Rover from Patrick v.d. Eem. “But he never gave the money” says the spokesman of Van der Eem.
In the Revu of this week, Peter Schouten, the spokesman of v.d. Eem, talks extensively about the remarkable pronunciations done by Patrick in the underhand recorded Aruban TV show Un dia den Bida. In this program v.d. Eem supposed to have told Poentje Castro that he “knows who Natalee dropped in the sea”. “Patrick told it in a way which makes clear this is an opinion, not a knowledge.
According to Schouten Poentje is not threatened by Van der Eem. He says Castro will make a profit by the secret recording. “It was bewildering to hear that Castro wanted to sell these tapes to Patrick”.
In the conversation v.d. Eem talked about minicamera’s in plants. That was an idea of Patrick before he contacted Peter R de Vries.  After the contact with Peter R de Vries the plan with the Range Rover was born.

Stan de Jong en Koen Voskuil.

[Dayhiker]

Chief of police Peter de Witte indicated that the police department is running with minimum staffing.  “We made good arrangements with the union and there is sufficient personnel present on the vital departments and to maintain the public order.”  He doesn’t know though how many police officers are on strike and for how long.

Sounds like they might need to call in the ...ta-daaaaaaaa...Beach Patrol     The wheels on the Bus go round and round...kkkkkKarma...

IIRC it was the Police Union that demanded that Jan van der Straten be re-instated as the Police Commissioner in charge of Natalee's case.

The Aruba police can thank themselves for their hard times. Tough shit.

Yeah, tough shit indeed, these people deserve no less and I truly hope the economic collapse of that island continues unabated. If the people of Aruba want to take back their island they could do it in a heartbeat through a coordinated uprising against the corrupt officials that got them into this mess. Until they take action--hint, you could start by advocating for the family of Natalee Holloway and stop with the BS--I'm not sheading a tear for anyone over there, period!

Nor will I shed a tear Bladerunner. I don't see an end in sight for the people of Aruba until their government provides justice for Natalee. The boycott is picking up steam and will continue to do so as more corruption is exposed. Their tourism numbers continue to slide as their cost of living rises, hence the protests by the unions.

Silent in all this are their fearless leaders Nelson Oduber and Rudy Croes. I haven't heard a peep out of either since Joran's confession short of that little neener neener outburst by Little Balls Rudy about Joran being persona non grata in Aruba. That's really bringing the hammer down isn't it?

We can only assume Aruba has no leaders, they are all taking cover from the outrage at Joran's confession and the failure of their prosecutor and judges to do anything about it. A nation's economy is a helluva price to pay for two Dutch scumbags.

[jackb]

What kind of shoes does Joran have on as he is coming through
the door of the casino?  (I know it has probably been checked before)

Really hard to tell when you enlarge it but it looks like just plain white tennis shoes.

Well, they look like size 10 1/2 to me.

 

Yeah, the picture is so clear it is showing guido hair.  Bet you could see that shoe size right inside his shoe.  This picture is not worth anything the way it is.  A young man that size would almost have to have a 14 shoe to keep his hulking frame from toppling over.  The picture is not clear because they do not want anyone to be able to prove who it is.      jack b

[Dayhiker]

Could it be the beginning of a little civil unrest? Maybe Rudy will cough up part of the $65,000,000 he has made off the backs of the Arubian shoulders, or PVDS will cough up $1,000,000 to pay a small portion of the money he has forced Aruba to spend defending his guilty ass. Arubians, please note, your leaders and their pets are living the good life. Are you?

PE...this may sound very *dumb*..but it's been on my mind for about an hour...so, tossing it out there...

Can anyone who lives on/near Aruba, set up an internet chat board for the *poor disgruntled minions* to post/vent about the current unrest in Aruba?  I would be more than glad to help fund it!   Just imagine what kinds of things folks could/would post....especially if they are *mad as hell* and want to get back at *the powers that be*....yup...*hungry* folks will complain....

One heck of a great idea Destiny. If the blog/forum were US based there is jack the Arubans could do about it.

[Dayhiker]

Could it be the beginning of a little civil unrest? Maybe Rudy will cough up part of the $65,000,000 he has made off the backs of the Arubian shoulders, or PVDS will cough up $1,000,000 to pay a small portion of the money he has forced Aruba to spend defending his guilty ass. Arubians, please note, your leaders and their pets are living the good life. Are you?

The only coughing those two will do is at the proctologist. They need to take it from them at gunpoint with a subpoena.

[Dayhiker]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Civil servants walked out for more salary

I got news for these people, Aruba ain't got no money.

[jackb]

Chief of police Peter de Witte indicated that the police department is running with minimum staffing.  “We made good arrangements with the union and there is sufficient personnel present on the vital departments and to maintain the public order.”  He doesn’t know though how many police officers are on strike and for how long.

Sounds like they might need to call in the ...ta-daaaaaaaa...Beach Patrol     The wheels on the Bus go round and round...kkkkkKarma...

 

From the looks of it "minimum" personel or no, what would be the difference.  They don't do anything but screw the good guys and allow the thugs to run the place.  They are a disgrace to the world.   Jack blue


IIRC it was the Police Union that demanded that Jan van der Straten be re-instated as the Police Commissioner in charge of Natalee's case.

The Aruba police can thank themselves for their hard times. Tough shit.

Yeah, tough shit indeed, these people deserve no less and I truly hope the economic collapse of that island continues unabated. If the people of Aruba want to take back their island they could do it in a heartbeat through a coordinated uprising against the corrupt officials that got them into this mess. Until they take action--hint, you could start by advocating for the family of Natalee Holloway and stop with the BS--I'm not sheading a tear for anyone over there, period!

[jackb]

Chief of police Peter de Witte indicated that the police department is running with minimum staffing.  “We made good arrangements with the union and there is sufficient personnel present on the vital departments and to maintain the public order.”  He doesn’t know though how many police officers are on strike and for how long.

Sounds like they might need to call in the ...ta-daaaaaaaa...Beach Patrol     The wheels on the Bus go round and round...kkkkkKarma...

 

From the looks of it "minimum" personel or no, what would be the difference.  They don't do anything but screw the good guys and allow the thugs to run the place.  They are a disgrace to the world.   Jack blue



IIRC it was the Police Union that demanded that Jan van der Straten be re-instated as the Police Commissioner in charge of Natalee's case.

The Aruba police can thank themselves for their hard times. Tough shit.

Yeah, tough shit indeed, these people deserve no less and I truly hope the economic collapse of that island continues unabated. If the people of Aruba want to take back their island they could do it in a heartbeat through a coordinated uprising against the corrupt officials that got them into this mess. Until they take action--hint, you could start by advocating for the family of Natalee Holloway and stop with the BS--I'm not sheading a tear for anyone over there, period!

Nor will I shed a tear Bladerunner. I don't see an end in sight for the people of Aruba until their government provides justice for Natalee. The boycott is picking up steam and will continue to do so as more corruption is exposed. Their tourism numbers continue to slide as their cost of living rises, hence the protests by the unions.

Silent in all this are their fearless leaders Nelson Oduber and Rudy Croes. I haven't heard a peep out of either since Joran's confession short of that little neener neener outburst by Little Balls Rudy about Joran being persona non grata in Aruba. That's really bringing the hammer down isn't it?

We can only assume Aruba has no leaders, they are all taking cover from the outrage at Joran's confession and the failure of their prosecutor and judges to do anything about it. A nation's economy is a helluva price to pay for two Dutch scumbags.

[jackb]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Civil servants walked out for more salary

I got news for these people, Aruba ain't got no money.

  They aren't worth a hoot even if they had money.  Money cannot buy Truth.
Money cannot buy integrity.  They have none, it seems and are a disgrace to the World.   Jack blue