Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08

[Blue Moon]

I am glad to see ******* back. Don't know what the story is. Don't much want to know either, just glad that you are back ! Taking a break is a good thing. Keep up the good work.

Thanks again everyone! I am really at a loss for words and blown away! It is a great feeling that people see the good in me as I see the same in them! All this attention is a bit suprising but very much appreciated!

I'm calling it a night. But glad you are back and "We Stand With the Girl" always.
bluemoon

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks everyone! Friendships and support mean a great deal to me and I am truly thankful! It is very humbling..

Anything I missed the last few days?

******* ... you have proven your dedication to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway over and over again in both your words and actions.  You are worthy of being upheld.

Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  I will be away for a few days.

 

Janet
8:10 PM

[Observer]

******* - did you see Patrick's website?

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Nope not yet! I'll have to check it out..Thanks! 

I am also seeing this bit of unrest in Aruba? Look's like quite a few civil workers want a raise in Aruba? I actually thought it was a parade or something at first but it's not 

[Observer]

Thanks everyone! Friendships and support mean a great deal to me and I am truly thankful! It is very humbling..

Anything I missed the last few days?

******* ... you have proven your dedication to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway over and over again in both your words and actions.  You are worthy of being upheld.

Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  I will be away for a few days.

 

Janet
8:10 PM

Night BMOK and Janet!

We will miss you Janet! You are a very special person,not only do we share the same interests but also the same ancestry 

[klaasend]

http://www.prive.nl/evert/

Translation from the tabloid magazine (posted by Debbie at BFN):

Employer institute confirms: This is where Joran is!

The past weeks no one has seen him anymore. He would be in an institute but that was denied by his family. Even though "Privé" found out that Joran for sure is staying in the forest of Utrecht, hidden behind a high fence.

His father denied all he could, but that is a good habit for the van der Sloot family. Even though Joran, to whom everyone points in the Natalee Holloway case, for sure is institutionalized.

That explains why of the 7 million people who watched the sensational broadcasting of Peter de Vries on February 3, no one has seen him publicly since.

An employer of the Willem Arntzhoeve in Den Dolder, Utrecht: "Yes, he is staying with us. Kept away from the outside world and almost no one is in contact with him".

Kept away from the outside world, behind the high fence's and in between countless trees Joran again is the center of a big investigation. This time not by police or justice or reporters, but by well educated psychiatrists who try to find out which behavior disorders make Joran the young men he is.

The treatment is happening with a lot of secrecy, no one besides the Privé source wants to confirm that Joran indeed is committed in this institution that has a very good reputation.

In the center 24 people are being hospitalized, in the age ranging from 18-60. At the Roosenberg department there are people with behavior problems in combination with an addiction.

There are two units. At one one can commit themselves when there is a need for it, at the other one enters because a court follows up on the advise of the forensic psychiatric unit.

It cannot be anything other then that Joran, after the broadcast voluntarily has presented himself at help institutions.

Probably the police in Rotterdam, where he was questioned shortly after the broadcast, has pointed out that option to him.  Joran would have realised the necessity of undergoing profound psychiatric treatment/investigation.

For the police him being committed meant rest. The groups of people who gathered at Drachten after a channel had reported that Joran was staying in an apartment there, promised no good. Such a "volksgericht" could have taken place any moment at any place, could have repeated itself when the real Joran had showed his face somewhere.

The moods in the country were out of control after the broadcast.

Some satisfaction for Natalee's mother Beth Holloway must be that Joran's current home is very similar to a prison cell.

Documentation of the Willem Arntzhoeve shows that the rooms of the patients are not bigger then 2,5 by 3,5 meters, and contains no more then a bed, a chair, a small locker and a shelve that can be used as a table.

The commitment would be for a period of 1 or 2 years. Unless of course on Aruba new indications are discovered that would lead to Joran changing his Dutch "cell" for an Aruban one.

[klaasend]

Thanks everyone! Friendships and support mean a great deal to me and I am truly thankful! It is very humbling..

Anything I missed the last few days?

******* ... you have proven your dedication to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway over and over again in both your words and actions.  You are worthy of being upheld.

Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  I will be away for a few days.

 

Janet
8:10 PM

Nite Janet - hope you are going to be away having some fun!

[klaasend]

Nite BlueMoon

[SS]

I have a question and I'd like to know what the rest of you think.  I am about 75% of the way through the Andrew Hodges book, Into the Deep, and my brain is starting to feel like Swiss cheese.  Do any of you understand how this man deciphers the statements? Everytime that I think I'm starting to get a clue, he seems to go off in another direction.  I agree with a lot of his theories, I just don't  comprehend his process and new rules seem to be added with every sentence that he deciphers.  Is it just me??? 

[texasmom]

Thanks everyone! Friendships and support mean a great deal to me and I am truly thankful! It is very humbling..

Anything I missed the last few days?

******* ... you have proven your dedication to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway over and over again in both your words and actions.  You are worthy of being upheld.

Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  I will be away for a few days.

 

Janet
8:10 PM

Goodnight Janet! Have a safe trip!  and hurry back!

[Destiny]

Hey Destiny,

It is driving me nuts trying to figure out where you are.
I live in GA. I have asked Klaas to forward my email addy to you. We may be neighbors. 

I've been to GA does that count?

I've been to GA 3 times, does that count 

Well Dang Klaas...that makes you and honorary *BUBBETTE*...LOL!...the dudes are bubbas...

[dennisintn]

OMG, Iron Butterfly is on now. The lead singer is wearing a wig, in fact most of them are. No way men their age is sporting their own hair

smartass, i resemble that.  a lot.
dennisintn

[texasmom]

Hey Destiny,

It is driving me nuts trying to figure out where you are.
I live in GA. I have asked Klaas to forward my email addy to you. We may be neighbors. 

I've been to GA does that count?

I've been to GA 3 times, does that count 

Well Dang Klaas...that makes you and honorary *BUBBETTE*...LOL!...the dudes are bubbas...

[Dihannah1]

******* - did you see Patrick's website?

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Welcome back *******!   Now we just need to get Anna back and build a  bridge over the water!

Ok, Klaas, I am confused.  Earlier you and some Dutchies were posting translations from Patricks blog and now this one is in English? Is it new?   I tried clicking on his email to send an Invite to SM, but didn't work.  Guess I'll need to leave comments...   Monkeys,  help me try and get Patrick to come post at SM!!!

[hotping]

http://www.prive.nl/evert/

Translation from the tabloid magazine (posted by Debbie at BFN):

Employer institute confirms: This is where Joran is!

The past weeks no one has seen him anymore. He would be in an institute but that was denied by his family. Even though "Privé" found out that Joran for sure is staying in the forest of Utrecht, hidden behind a high fence.

His father denied all he could, but that is a good habit for the van der Sloot family. Even though Joran, to whom everyone points in the Natalee Holloway case, for sure is institutionalized.

That explains why of the 7 million people who watched the sensational broadcasting of Peter de Vries on February 3, no one has seen him publicly since.

An employer of the Willem Arntzhoeve in Den Dolder, Utrecht: "Yes, he is staying with us. Kept away from the outside world and almost no one is in contact with him".

Kept away from the outside world, behind the high fence's and in between countless trees Joran again is the center of a big investigation. This time not by police or justice or reporters, but by well educated psychiatrists who try to find out which behavior disorders make Joran the young men he is.

The treatment is happening with a lot of secrecy, no one besides the Privé source wants to confirm that Joran indeed is committed in this institution that has a very good reputation.

In the center 24 people are being hospitalized, in the age ranging from 18-60. At the Roosenberg department there are people with behavior problems in combination with an addiction.

There are two units. At one one can commit themselves when there is a need for it, at the other one enters because a court follows up on the advise of the forensic psychiatric unit.

It cannot be anything other then that Joran, after the broadcast voluntarily has presented himself at help institutions.

Probably the police in Rotterdam, where he was questioned shortly after the broadcast, has pointed out that option to him.  Joran would have realised the necessity of undergoing profound psychiatric treatment/investigation.

For the police him being committed meant rest. The groups of people who gathered at Drachten after a channel had reported that Joran was staying in an apartment there, promised no good. Such a "volksgericht" could have taken place any moment at any place, could have repeated itself when the real Joran had showed his face somewhere.

The moods in the country were out of control after the broadcast.

Some satisfaction for Natalee's mother Beth Holloway must be that Joran's current home is very similar to a prison cell.

Documentation of the Willem Arntzhoeve shows that the rooms of the patients are not bigger then 2,5 by 3,5 meters, and contains no more then a bed, a chair, a small locker and a shelve that can be used as a table.

The commitment would be for a period of 1 or 2 years. Unless of course on Aruba new indications are discovered that would lead to Joran changing his Dutch "cell" for an Aruban one.

Oh Only if it were true....but If it is He probably has a cellphone and a laptop and all the porn he wants....Yep! 

[texasmom]

OMG, Iron Butterfly is on now. The lead singer is wearing a wig, in fact most of them are. No way men their age is sporting their own hair

smartass, i resemble that.  a lot.
dennisintn

[hotping]

Hey Destiny,

It is driving me nuts trying to figure out where you are.
I live in GA. I have asked Klaas to forward my email addy to you. We may be neighbors. 

I've been to GA does that count?

I've been to GA 3 times, does that count 

Well Dang Klaas...that makes you and honorary *BUBBETTE*...LOL!...the dudes are bubbas...

Well Heck I've never been to GA...I feel left out...LOL 

[Destiny]

Thanks everyone! Friendships and support mean a great deal to me and I am truly thankful! It is very humbling..

Anything I missed the last few days?

Oh...You will have to work your *widdle* arse off to catch up Bubba...((((((((((((((((*******))))))))))))))))))    Wubs Ja...

[Observer]

I have a question and I'd like to know what the rest of you think.  I am about 75% of the way through the Andrew Hodges book, Into the Deep, and my brain is starting to feel like Swiss cheese.  Do any of you understand how this man deciphers the statements? Everytime that I think I'm starting to get a clue, he seems to go off in another direction.  I agree with a lot of his theories, I just don't  comprehend his process and new rules seem to be added with every sentence that he deciphers.  Is it just me??? 

  Can't help you SS as I haven't read his book yet! He certainly analyzes Deepak's emails like no one else Much of what he says I agree with but I don't think Natalee was given XTC as that wouldn't make her unconscious. I also think there are some deceptions and parts of this case that the good Dr is not aware of to draw a final conclusion. He was on SM radio a few months ago and I thought he did a excellent Job describing thoughtprints and the unconscious mind,he says his research was put into the the case files by the Aruban Authorities.

[klaasend]

******* - did you see Patrick's website?

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Welcome back *******!   Now we just need to get Anna back and build a  bridge over the water!

Ok, Klaas, I am confused.  Earlier you and some Dutchies were posting translations from Patricks blog and now this one is in English? Is it new?   I tried clicking on his email to send an Invite to SM, but didn't work.  Guess I'll need to leave comments...   Monkeys,  help me try and get Patrick to come post at SM!!!

Wow Dihannah - Yes I see it's in English now so Patrick must have done that.  It was in Dutch before.

[klaasend]

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Friday, March 14th, 2008

Message for my American readers

Poentje Castro, a television reporter in Aruba, made a sneak recording of a private conversation with Patrick van der Eem, the insider in the Natalee Holloway case who recorded the confession of Joran van der Sloot during an undercover camera operation. The temptation to slyly record a private conversation with the man who is now famous in Holland and the USA for recording a criminal confession must have been just too much to resist.

However, his enthusiasm was to get the better of him. Keeping one camera rolling after the granted interview, the reporter forgot that you have to ask clear questions, and the answers – as the reporter now claims – should throw a different light on the case. In that sense the reporter failed. This was aggravated by biased editing of his material.

Both the aired preview and Castro himself were already facing heavy criticism on the front pages of Aruba’s newspapers. Due to the leading questioning and “clumsy” edits, the Aruban broadcaster decided not to air the complete interview, but rather fade the channel to black. Over the years, Castro has become known for his firm belief that Joran van der Sloot is not guilty, and currently fosters the speculative opinion that Joran must have made his confession up.

Due to the ongoing hype of the Natalee Holloway case in the Netherlands, the Dutch press unfortunately reported several of these suggestive statements, under the misconception that they represented hard news.

According to the Dutch translation from the original Papiamento (Aruba’s native tongue), Patrick says: “But I know who dumped the body in the sea…” in one fragment of the private conversation. While this hit the headlines, it is clear that Van der Eem was speculating, in a similar way to someone who says: “But I know that the New York Yankees will win the Superbowl this year”. Van Der Eem has a private opinion about who assisted Joran van der Sloot, but not the actual knowledge.

In another fragment that made headlines as hard news, Van der Eem is reported to have said: “because I already know him (Joran) for so many years”. However, at the end of the same sentence, he states that he knows Joran in flesh and blood only “for seven months” for the duration of the undercover operation plus aftermath. What he in fact says in the first part is that “he had already heard of him (Joran) for so many years”, as have so many of us since Natalee’s disappearance.

When Van der Eem tries to explain to the reporter that he gave the media the same information as he gave the police as a witness, the reporter edits the fragment in such a way that suggests Van der Eem paid the media and the police, which is patently complete nonsense, but has nevertheless been reported as a scoop by some Dutch media.

The above gives a clear impression of the lack of editorial and translational integrity of the recording of the private conversation, of the interview and of those fragments that have been broadcast. The clumsy translation from the Papiemento added further to this canard.

Castro has been attempting to sell his TV interview to numerous networks, both in the Netherlands and the USA. Before the broadcast, he also made an offer for Van Der Eem to buy the tapes, which was declined outright by his spokesman. Mr. Schouten: “He didn’t mean the costs to copy a DVD or for stamps. Mr. Castro wanted to receive a fee for the tapes. That’s like giving candy to a child that misbehaves. I have requested his lawyer now formally to send me these recordings from the first to the last second without any editing or cuts.”