Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 - 3/14/08

[jackb]

she was still in love with Joran 

on drugs maybe, otherwise...  in love with joran....who is she lilly munster? i wish devries would dig around on jacobs and van der stratten.

       

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[Observer]

The MOB involved in Casino's..Say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!  I guess paying off people like Rudy Croes and the Aruban Govt was worth every penny for the Chicago Outfit..They don't have to worry about Gaming Commissions like the Mobsters out of Pennsylvania have to deal with.

Priest arrested on perjury charges in alleged mob case

# Story Highlights
# The Rev. Joseph Sica, 52, was arrested outside his home Wednesday
# He is an adviser to a resort owner who is subject of the grand jury probe
# Probe centers on whether owner gave false information about his alleged mob ties
# The priest told a grand jury that he had no relationship with the resort owner

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/02/grandjury.slots.ap/index.html?eref=rss_law

[texasmom]

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Well the entire Van Der Sloot and Hugen Family has been quiet,we don't even know which ones are paul's brothers or why him and his son are so protected. They know the names of all of Dave's kids,every MB student and everything about Natalee and her Family. Very little has come out for obvious reasons as we know years ago Van Der Straten use to work for PVDS,the more thats unraveled the more disgusted we will all be by how well he knows everyone that was involved. It is probably true with the two Judges Wit and Smit as well. It would not suprise me if other Fathers of the pimps influenced the Investigation in Aruba also.

Peter De Vries also reported about Joran killing his own dog in his first show and I take it as a fact. He killed his own pet dumped it in the Moko pond and tried to blame it on this kid. However there probably is no police record of that thanks to Van Der Straten and Pauls friends in the ALE. We saw a similar thingnder from the reports of the 3 girls who said they were drugged and assaulted by Joran,they went to the police and nothing was done. They came forward again after Natalee dissapeared but then  stepped back after Dennis Jacobs talked to them. When the KLPD looked into this,her Psychiatrist said that she was drugged and abused by Joran,but Dennis Jacobs said she was not willing to come forward because she was still in love with Joran 

Johan Va nderstratten should be arrested and put UNDER the jail.  Had he been doing the job he was supposed to do, that island would not be the mess it is.  As well many people, including NH would  be alive and many would not have been robbed, raped and abused.
    Jack Blue

I agree Jack Blue, except I would add that Dennis Jacobs fat ass should be right on top of Vanderstraaten, with BOTH OF THEIR "disgrace to the field of law enforcement" asses UNDER THE JAIL!  I'm trying not to picture that, but that is what should be done.
 

[hotping]

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Well the entire Van Der Sloot and Hugen Family has been quiet,we don't even know which ones are paul's brothers or why him and his son are so protected. They know the names of all of Dave's kids,every MB student and everything about Natalee and her Family. Very little has come out for obvious reasons as we know years ago Van Der Straten use to work for PVDS,the more thats unraveled the more disgusted we will all be by how well he knows everyone that was involved. It is probably true with the two Judges Wit and Smit as well. It would not suprise me if other Fathers of the pimps influenced the Investigation in Aruba also.

Peter De Vries also reported about Joran killing his own dog in his first show and I take it as a fact. He killed his own pet dumped it in the Moko pond and tried to blame it on this kid. However there probably is no police record of that thanks to Van Der Straten and Pauls friends in the ALE. We saw a similar thingnder from the reports of the 3 girls who said they were drugged and assaulted by Joran,they went to the police and nothing was done. They came forward again after Natalee dissapeared but then  stepped back after Dennis Jacobs talked to them. When the KLPD looked into this,her Psychiatrist said that she was drugged and abused by Joran,but Dennis Jacobs said she was not willing to come forward because she was still in love with Joran 

Johan Va nderstratten should be arrested and put UNDER the jail.  Had he been doing the job he was supposed to do, that island would not be the mess it is.  As well many people, including NH would  be alive and many would not have been robbed, raped and abused.
    Jack Blue

I agree Jack Blue, except I would add that Dennis Jacobs fat ass should be right on top of Vanderstraaten, with BOTH OF THEIR "disgrace to the field of law enforcement" asses UNDER THE JAIL!  I'm trying not to picture that, but that is what should be done.
 

Yep! You Got It! 

[Observer]

Bill O'Reilly Tries To Entertain Orlando Bankers


Maybe O'Reilly was trying to compete with his pal Dennis Miller when he stood in front of an audience of bankers in Orlando and made some mean spirited and tasteless comments that he thought would get a laugh. 10/10/08

In an effort to put down Obama he joked that the Senator would probably want to talk to Chavez.

"If Obama and Chavez meet in Aruba, maybe it would lead to something, maybe something would get done. Maybe they'll find Natalee Holloway, or something."

Claiming as always he's an Independent, BOR told his audience that he was sure Bin Laden wouldn't vote for John McCain. Sounds pretty Republican to me. Guess the Orlando bankers are in sync with Bill because he was a big hit.

http://tinyurl.com/2v4zdj

[Red]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

[klaasend]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

Can we call him with questions?  LOLOL    

VERY COOL!

[Dayhiker]

I get the impression that Joran's confession was a real thorn in Hans' side. He had successfully closed the case without having to go to trial. Life was good for Hans. Then Joran congesses and makes him have to look like he's busy again.

Poor Hans.

You got that right! Not only Hans but Rudy Croes,Wit and everyone else! They went on record as happy as could be..Don't feel bad Americans..Even though the case is closed and they are released as suspects..It can still be reopened if in the next 12 years if Major new evidence is found like Natalee's body,forensic evidence that we destroyed or if the ocean suddenly goes dry..The only ones they are Mad at is Joran for screwing up and anyone that tries to get the truth out of him.

Heck even Judge Wit came out of his closet after the case closed to defend himself,he said about the same thing that there is major suspicions,and some evidence,all you need is something major like forensic evidence or her body..Good luck with that! However he made the situation worse when he tried to point fingers at the OM for never asking to search more than Jorans little Apt and accused Dompig of Obstruction of Justice when defending his unbelievable rulings.

Yep, here you have a clear case of the Prosecutor/Police Chief lying to the media or the Dutch Judge lying to the media. There is no gray area here, one or more are lying and Hans Mos sits on his ass.

[Tamikosmom]

Natalee Holloway Underwater Search Crew Headed Home

The crew of the "Persistence" left Louisiana in November...headed to Aruba. They've been using sonar and underwater robots to search Aruba's ocean floor for Natalee Holloway since mid -December.

It's been an expensive process - a search like this costs about $50,000 a day, according to search supervisor Tim Trahan. After three months of searching - the search party is simply out of money, but they're not out of places to look for Natalee. Trahan says the crew has used sonar to photograph almost 1000 miles of Aruba's ocean floor. Underwater robots have dove down and inspected hundreds of suspicious objects. The crew still has 150 objects left to inspect.

The "Persistence" is due home around Wednesday, but the crew says their search isn't over - just delayed. They'll now concentrate on looking for money and trying to work their way back to Aruba and what they hope will be answers.

http://tinyurl.com/ynoxqd

Thanks *******.

I hope with all my heart that when the crew of the Persistence returns ... the search will be conducted independently and ... not under the "guidance" of the Aruban police ... Aruban authorities ... Aruban prosecutor or ... an Aruban dive team.  In other words ... I hope the search will exclude the "powers that be" who have been behind the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice by distancing Paulus and Joran van der Sloot from implication ... the Aruban coverup that has put a family throught a H--- on Earth for almost three years.

Think about it.  The enemy is not about to assist in furthering a quest to find Natalee's remains ... a guest that does not adhere to the coverup agenda.

IMO

Sincerely, Janet

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Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Beth Twitty
The Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended. "Yet we have remained respectful and have done the right thing."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 5, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null

[jackb]

Question:
Why would multiple legal professionals jeopardize their careers, livelihood, and freedom to cover for the VDSs?

-All very close friends?
- PvdS has dirt on them all and willing to use it as leverage?
- Blackmail?
 

Most likely bound together by their sorriness and bad habits and knowing scud on each other and appear more to be elite just for staying within the sorriness of the clan.  Sorry people seek their own level.  It probably has little to do with social standing.  It is just that most of the ones who know dirt on each other showed their habits within their own clubs and organizations and bind together out of fear of blackmail of each other.   Jack Blue

All very close friends.  Dutch elitists. Cannot associate with anyone beneath them. Must believe whatever comes from their mouths.  Mind-set of the Dutch/Aruban.  Must never go against one of your own when it is an American involved.  Nothing more than the U.S. has had thrown at us for years.  We are the Cowboys, they are the wronged party.

[Observer]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

Can we call him with questions?  LOLOL    

VERY COOL!

  AT the guests on Dana's show

  At Klaas's post being edited 

[Tamikosmom]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

 

[hotping]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

 

[Dayhiker]

wasn't it stated somewhere that joran introduced himself to natalee as a dutch student on vacation in aruba?
beth went to the holiday inn asking about a dutch man on vacation and was told that he was a local hanging out at the excelsior casino all the time

From greta's interview with him

VAN DER SLOOT: No, just between me and Natalee. We were speaking English to each other and I asked her if she wanted to go back to her hotel and that's when she said that she wanted to — she asked me if I -- if I had a big house or not and then — then she said — I said to her "Do you want to see my house?" And she's like "Yes, I want to go to your house."

how does this fit in if he first introduced himself as a tourist ?

JE, first you have to understand that before Greta interviewed him he had already told the police at least 35 lies. By the time Greta talked to him he had already told at least five versions of how he got home that night. It is on the FBI record and numerous other places that he posed as a tourist and lied about his age to the Mountain Brook kids.

Joran was stalking them. He lied to conceal his true identity. By saying he was a Dutch tourist staying at the Holiday Inn he was able to convince Natalee he was just giving her a cab ride back to the hotel she was staying at. That's how he was able to carve her out of the crowd.

He's a predator.

If Joran's statements don't add up it's because you can't put a square peg in a round hole. He has found a way to beat the Dutch system however. Just lie your ass off and and the police, prosecutor and judges get so confused they can't do their job.

[klaasend]

SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ... SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ALERT ... MEDIA ALERT ...
This is a bit off topic but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on one of Dana's guests tomorrow night on Scared Monkeys radio:

In an exclusive internet/satellite radio interview Dana Pretzer will have on The Dana Pretzer Show, Former Bolingbrook Police Sgt Drew Peterson. Joining Drew Peterson will be his his attorney Joel Brodsky.

This should be interesting. Don't miss this interview. One wife dead by what coroners are saying is drowning by homicide and another wife missing, Drew Peterson ... will be on Scared Monkeys radio ... tune in at 8pm EDT tomorrow night.

Can we call him with questions?  LOLOL    

VERY COOL!

  AT the guests on Dana's show

  At Klaas's post being edited 

We were editing the time, it's 8PM and not the usual 9PM.  Actually Red and I were both trying to edit at the same time, Red won...LOL 

[dennisintn]

rudy croes and ed briesen were all for mos and a.l.e. listening to the psychotic psychics and their lies and anyone else who blamed natalee's disappearance on natalee or her family and friends.  he was quite happy with the situation until jvds blew his own reputation as well as that of aruba out of the water. when rudy got mad and unofficially declared jvds persona non grata, it wasn't because of what everyone knows he did to natalee, but for how bad jvds made the island govt. look and the bad publicity he brought to the island. 
dennisintn

[Observer]

Looks like 2 murders today in Aruba 

The other article mentions the show in Aruba being canceled..The Persistence leaving to Louisiana and the Millions they spent with no results on Natalees case..I think 

[Shell]

One of the few times we have heard Chief Dolf Richardson say jack he said that he believed they never were at the beach but very well could have been at the Van der Sloot house. Of course that was almost two years ago and Dolf still hasn't done jack.

De Vries said his ALE sources told him the same thing in 2006,he said then that they don't think they ever went to the Beach but went to the VDS house and something happened by the garden. If you look at all the early NE articles they say there ALE source thinks she was drugged and taken back to the house. Here we are in 2008,they have 24 detectives on the case,Mos is blaming Natalee's Family and the American Media but yet we were closer to solving this on June 10th 2005 

I think that the Sloots laid back attitude towards their eldest came back to bite them in the buttocks. Party at Sloots got out of hand. MHO but I could be wrong.

[jackb]

Question:
Why would multiple legal professionals jeopardize their careers, livelihood, and freedom to cover for the VDSs?

-All very close friends?
- PvdS has dirt on them all and willing to use it as leverage?
- Blackmail?
 

Most likely bound together by their sorriness and bad habits and knowing scud on each other and appear more to be elite just for staying within the sorriness of the clan.  Sorry people seek their own level.  It probably has little to do with social standing.  It is just that most of the ones who know dirt on each other showed their habits within their own clubs and organizations and bind together out of fear of blackmail of each other.   Jack Blue
   

Most likely bound together by their sorriness and bad habits and knowing scud on each other and appear more to be elite just for staying within the sorriness of the clan.  Sorry people seek their own level.  It probably has little to do with social standing.  It is just that most of the ones who know dirt on each other showed their habits within their own clubs and organizations and bind together out of fear of blackmail of each other.   Jack Blue

All very close friends.  Dutch elitists. Cannot associate with anyone beneath them. Must believe whatever comes from their mouths.  Mind-set of the Dutch/Aruban.  Must never go against one of your own when it is an American involved.  Nothing more than the U.S. has had thrown at us for years.  We are the Cowboys, they are the wronged party.

[jackb]

The MOB involved in Casino's..Say it isn't so!!!!!!!!!  I guess paying off people like Rudy Croes and the Aruban Govt was worth every penny for the Chicago Outfit..They don't have to worry about Gaming Commissions like the Mobsters out of Pennsylvania have to deal with.

Priest arrested on perjury charges in alleged mob case

# Story Highlights
# The Rev. Joseph Sica, 52, was arrested outside his home Wednesday
# He is an adviser to a resort owner who is subject of the grand jury probe
# Probe centers on whether owner gave false information about his alleged mob ties
# The priest told a grand jury that he had no relationship with the resort owner

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/02/grandjury.slots.ap/index.html?eref=rss_law

Most likely bound together by their sorriness and bad habits and knowing scud on each other and appear more to be elite just for staying within the sorriness of the clan.  Sorry people seek their own level.  It probably has little to do with social standing.  It is just that most of the ones who know dirt on each other showed their habits within their own clubs and organizations and bind together out of fear of blackmail of each other.   Jack Blue