Lively Case Discussion #484 6/30 - 7/1/2006

[Anna]

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I would like to take that photo of Natalee and make Dompig the Liar EAT IT!!

 

Dompig said she was drinking "almost lethal amounts of alcohol".  She did not look anywhere near death in any of the pictures or video I have seen of her on the trip.

you know...I sat in my pool all day today sipping on beer. Sweat the alcohol out as fast as you drink it!!! Didn't even get tipsy!!! Just a bunch of baloney!!! So what if the girls were sipping drinks all day!! Even the pic of her on the dance floor!! She did not appear at all over intoxicated!! She looked upright and in control...but of course that was before Joran got ahold of her.

Yes, the key word there is SIPPING.  I suspect that was Natalee's mode of drinking as it is of many of the very young.  Been there done that.  One drink can last over an hour unless you decide to dump it for a new colder one.  I think that is how the bad thing happened.  Natalee did not drink enough of the drug to truly knock her out.  She woke up.

[Shizaru]

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I would like to take that photo of Natalee and make Dompig the Liar EAT IT!!

 

Dompig said she was drinking "almost lethal amounts of alcohol".  She did not look anywhere near death in any of the pictures or video I have seen of her on the trip.

He HAD to say that Shizaru!  That way, it dilutes Aruba's "responsibility" for her victimization.  It's stupid, I know.  But, did you expect anything less from a representative of that corrupt place?  

Yes, that was clearly his motivation.  Try and rebuild Aruba's reputation by maligning that of the defenseless dead girl. Dompig is an embarassment to humanity.

[ldstlou]

...you know...I sat in my pool all day today sipping on beer.

Sounds like my kind of party Idstlou!  You got any Pacifico's??  

   It was a WONDERFUL day!!! Have been working on my rehab house so much lately!!...heading over there soo to get some painting done in a few...it was heavenly to take a day off!! Actually it was just my 6 year old son and I playing in pool all day!! made it even MORE heavenly!! Little guy is sleeping now so will carry him over to other house and get some work done so we can play again tomorrow!!

[thirdstrike]

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I would like to take that photo of Natalee and make Dompig the Liar EAT IT!!

 

Dompig said she was drinking "almost lethal amounts of alcohol".  She did not look anywhere near death in any of the pictures or video I have seen of her on the trip.

you know...I sat in my pool all day today sipping on beer. Sweat the alcohol out as fast as you drink it!!! Didn't even get tipsy!!! Just a bunch of baloney!!! So what if the girls were sipping drinks all day!! Even the pic of her on the dance floor!! She did not appear at all over intoxicated!! She looked upright and in control...but of course that was before Joran got ahold of her.

Yes, the key word there is SIPPING.  I suspect that was Natalee's mode of drinking as it is of many of the very young.  Been there done that.  One drink can last over an hour unless you decide to dump it for a new colder one.  I think that is how the bad thing happened.  Natalee did not drink enough of the drug to truly knock her out.  She woke up.

Yeah Anna, I hear ya! But, I don't think she actually dies as a result of an O.D. on the drug itself.  I think there was some physical violence commited against her.  Reason being is that they felt the need to state Natalee "fell" out of the car during their initial HI lie.  That to me was a preemptive explanation of an injury found on her person if her remains were found.  Whether it was accidental or not, I'm not sure.  But, I believe she was struck in some way by her attackers...and she died as a result of it...

[San]

Yes, the key word there is SIPPING.  I suspect that was Natalee's mode of drinking as it is of many of the very young.  Been there done that.  One drink can last over an hour unless you decide to dump it for a new colder one.  I think that is how the bad thing happened.  Natalee did not drink enough of the drug to truly knock her out.  She woke up.

I agree Anna she woke up and she messed up their plans.  Now who was present that she could identify.  Paulus.

[SunFreak2]

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I would like to take that photo of Natalee and make Dompig the Liar EAT IT!!

 

Dompig said she was drinking "almost lethal amounts of alcohol".  She did not look anywhere near death in any of the pictures or video I have seen of her on the trip.

It made me sick when Greta said she had those FBI 302's from the MB kids, and that one of the kids said that Natalee was drinking RedFires from early in the morning.  How did Greta get hold of those 302's and how did she know they were the real deal? In this new picture of Natalee, there is no way she could have been drinking 151 since that morning or have been drinking & drugging since the plane landed in Aruba.  

[mrs. red]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

[Jacqueline]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

There is a peanut for every elephant.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That being said....

It is just my opinion that Joran does not appear to me as being the type of guy who natalee would go out of her way to date, let alone leave with him unless she was drugged.

He looks like a big Galoop.

[San]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

He is one ugly MF.

[thirdstrike]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

No, I DO agree with almost everyone's point that she was drugged.  As a mattrer of fact, I KNOW she was.  And, it probably contributed to the circumstances surrounding her death.  But, I just can't get past the need to explain her falling out of the car detail as part of a complete lie!  

But, as I've heard many times before, there's almost always elements of truth in lies.  helps authenticate them in the mind of the person telling them.  I believe there's more truth then we've discovered in Joran's fabrications in the case...

[mrs. red]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

There is a peanut for every elephant.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That being said....

It is just my opinion that Joran does not appear to me as being the type of guy who natalee would go out of her way to date, let alone leave with him unless she was drugged.

He looks like a big Galoop.

No he didn't seem to hit her radar in the casino...

[ldstlou]

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I would like to take that photo of Natalee and make Dompig the Liar EAT IT!!

 

Dompig said she was drinking "almost lethal amounts of alcohol".  She did not look anywhere near death in any of the pictures or video I have seen of her on the trip.

you know...I sat in my pool all day today sipping on beer. Sweat the alcohol out as fast as you drink it!!! Didn't even get tipsy!!! Just a bunch of baloney!!! So what if the girls were sipping drinks all day!! Even the pic of her on the dance floor!! She did not appear at all over intoxicated!! She looked upright and in control...but of course that was before Joran got ahold of her.

Yes, the key word there is SIPPING.  I suspect that was Natalee's mode of drinking as it is of many of the very young.  Been there done that.  One drink can last over an hour unless you decide to dump it for a new colder one.  I think that is how the bad thing happened.  Natalee did not drink enough of the drug to truly knock her out.  She woke up.

you know I posted this on the front page before...I was slipped a date rape drug when I was 34!!! and out with the girls. Ashamed!! Just thought I was too old and wise!! Anyway...I had gotten separated from my girlfriends and was waiting at the door knowing they had to come out eventually and I would see them. 3 people there 2 guys and a girl asked me if I needed a ride home...I said no I would find my friends...we talked awhile and last call came and they offered to buy me a drink...I took it...WOW!! the fortunate part for me was I did meet up with my friends...I am sure the 3 thought my friends had left...the weird part was that I functioned...apparently for another few hours although I have no memory!!  We went to an afterhours bar...and they thought I was drunk!! One girlfriend yelled at me the next day for getting so exceptionally drunk and making an...a-- out of myself. Ended up in Illinois staying at a man's house who fortunately....did not take advantage...one of the scariests!!! events of my life...to this day..gives me chills

[thirdstrike]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

There is a peanut for every elephant.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That being said....

It is just my opinion that Joran does not appear to me as being the type of guy who natalee would go out of her way to date, let alone leave with him unless she was drugged.

He looks like a big Galoop.

Wait, did you use the word "Galoop"??  

[mrs. red]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

No, I DO agree with almost everyone's point that she was drugged.  As a mattrer of fact, I KNOW she was.  And, it probably contributed to the circumstances surrounding her death.  But, I just can't get past the need to explain her falling out of the car detail as part of a complete lie!  

But, as I've heard many times before, there's almost always elements of truth in lies.  helps authenticate them in the mind of the person telling them.  I believe there's more truth then we've discovered in Joran's fabrications in the case...

yes I think there would be a lot found if we put together all the little threads of truth that come out ... the ones that change just slightly in detail... like the original we didn't go to the house and the subsequent we did....

[Jacqueline]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

He is one ugly MF.

Yes, that's another way of putting it!   LOL  

[Lala'sMom]

Evening Monkeys, hope everyone is well.

[San]

Evening Monkeys, hope everyone is well.

Hi Lala's.

[mrs. red]

OMG>>> LDSTLOU - I am so glad that you didn't end up in a bad way... OMG.. that's terrible... and really makes you think....

[Jacqueline]

Third.  that is a good point, but they would have never been able to take her outta there w/o the drugs, IMO

and in 30 minutes?? in the casino video they don't even talk... and why would Natalee who was already dancing with someone wave him over... I think he is so nasty (ill tempered) looking.... a vacancy in the eyes like Scott Peterson..

There is a peanut for every elephant.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That being said....

It is just my opinion that Joran does not appear to me as being the type of guy who natalee would go out of her way to date, let alone leave with him unless she was drugged.

He looks like a big Galoop.

Wait, did you use the word "Galoop"??  

Yep.  Ya know, a real schleppy looking doofus.

[Anna]

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So she was not drinking fast enough to drink the amount needed to keep her unconscious.  Likely going in and out of consciousness and putting up a fight.  In the process of subduing her, somebody picks up something and bashes her in the head, thus the need for the constant head injury stories.  And also why when recovered, her remains could not be given to the parents with Dompig's OD story.  She drank a lethal amount of alcohol oh yeah, and fell down so hard it fractured and crushed her skull to a pulp?/   And on the top of the head which is the most unlikely spot to hit falling or passing out??

And they think we will not figure this out?

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