Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - 3/19/08

[texasmom]

Hi CBB!!  I won't be needing a Easter Avatar this year as I won't be around to use it..I'M moving soon so I will be MIA for a few weeks..

However I am dying to break out my 4th of July one you made for me..Heck I may just use it all year around because I like it so much! 

  That's too long to be gone from us *******!
I hope the move goes well, I hate moving!  The last time was after 16 years in one place, it was awful!  I hope you get settled much sooner than you are anticipating because I will miss you! 

[sb]

TXMom, I was literally so DISGUSTED to see that display that I didn't take a good look at who was running the promo. The thought that went through my mind was that we need some Monkey Signs here like at the trade shows.

It would have been nice to see Beth make an appearance on the premises LOL. THAT would have been a kicker.

If I get the chance to go in there again I will make a note of who sponsored it, or if any of our local monkeys go there they can let us know. For any familiar with Birmingham's Galleria, the sweepstakes is set up in the end of the mall towards Sears, near the build-a-bear place, post office, etc. That place was FULL today with folks starting Spring Break and the weather turning nice finally. We had our turn with the storms last night (not as bad as ATL... not even CLOSE) but today wound up being 75 and sunny.

[Peaches]

No, Klaas, it's possible, ya just have to be sneaky. Maybe take a partner in crime sotaspeak, slap it on there when nobody's looking!

I hadn't thought about that arrrested thing.

Maybe if it was a magnetic bumper sticker they would let you off with a good talking-to?

[klaasend]

No, Klaas, it's possible, ya just have to be sneaky. Maybe take a partner in crime sotaspeak, slap it on there when nobody's looking!

I hadn't thought about that arrrested thing.

Maybe if it was a magnetic bumper sticker they would let you off with a good talking-to?

Yes, a magnetic one    Good idea 

[Observer]

Haha thanks TM You make me feel good!



I wonder if this is the same Judge Smid? I know his name is Smit also

1993 signed the clintons Drug Policy

Rick Smid
Oberstaatsamwalt, Dept. of Justice,
Rotterdam, The Netherlands

http://tinyurl.com/3dzoot

[texasmom]

TM: When I first started posting at FOK I described Beth as a Loving caring person..Many were throwing up on me and they were not trolls It's not there fault as Beth was portrayed in such a negative image in Holland,thanks to the Likes of the Aruban reporters and Rene'e Gielen.

Just the other day a few on that forum posted the lies of Rene'e Gielen saying Natalee was a Junkie/Drug addict. Johan in turn posted a beautiful picture of Natalee that said does this look like a junkie? 

I know *******, it will take a lot more work to get the truth about Beth and Natalee to the Dutch people.  The misinformation campaign has had all this time, we won't be able to combat it quickly.  There are so many who don't go to forums, and the newspapers are still full of the garbage from some I've read translations of.  Look at all the trash about Patrick that was written!  And since the misinformation is all many of them have known it's no surprise they're not racing out to buy Beth's book.  It has been good to see Beth on more of the Dutch shows, but it's going to take a lot more in depth interviews with respected hosts to convince many of the Dutch people, in my opinion. 

[Peaches]

As much fun as it is to be here with y'all, this is my first time with the lappy and I cannot type very well.  I must use the mouse an awful lot because I keep looking for it.  Chasing my finger around on this little square is irritating. 

I have a good book I'm trying to finish and a hotel room to myself since the DH and daughter are downstairs in the hospitality suite listening to yet more barbershop!

Stay safe, my friends.  Good night.

[klaasend]

As much fun as it is to be here with y'all, this is my first time with the lappy and I cannot type very well.  I must use the mouse an awful lot because I keep looking for it.  Chasing my finger around on this little square is irritating. 

I have a good book I'm trying to finish and a hotel room to myself since the DH and daughter are downstairs in the hospitality suite listening to yet more barbershop!

Stay safe, my friends.  Good night.

Nite Peaches - I hook up a mouse to my laptop, makes it easier for me.    I still prefer using the PC to the laptop though.

[crazybabyborg]

Night Peaches! Enjoy your solitude while it lasts! 

[Observer]

As much fun as it is to be here with y'all, this is my first time with the lappy and I cannot type very well.  I must use the mouse an awful lot because I keep looking for it.  Chasing my finger around on this little square is irritating. 

I have a good book I'm trying to finish and a hotel room to myself since the DH and daughter are downstairs in the hospitality suite listening to yet more barbershop!

Stay safe, my friends.  Good night.

Haha..I know what ya mean..But it was opposite for me going from a laptop to a desktop..I didn't like the mouse 


TM: Your definetly right about that! People that read the blogs though are starting to realize they were fed a bunch of BS about Beth!

Night !!

[texasmom]

TXMom, I was literally so DISGUSTED to see that display that I didn't take a good look at who was running the promo. The thought that went through my mind was that we need some Monkey Signs here like at the trade shows.

It would have been nice to see Beth make an appearance on the premises LOL. THAT would have been a kicker.

If I get the chance to go in there again I will make a note of who sponsored it, or if any of our local monkeys go there they can let us know. For any familiar with Birmingham's Galleria, the sweepstakes is set up in the end of the mall towards Sears, near the build-a-bear place, post office, etc. That place was FULL today with folks starting Spring Break and the weather turning nice finally. We had our turn with the storms last night (not as bad as ATL... not even CLOSE) but today wound up being 75 and sunny.

I understand completely SB!  Not a problem, I bet we can find out who's sponsoring it without much work.  I agree, some ARUBA, WHERE'S NATALEE HOLLOWAY? signs would have come in handy, or the magnetic bumpersticker (wiped free of fingerprints of course!).  Maybe if the windshield gets a little dusty someone could write in on there like they do WASH ME!!!  If I were there I'd have to figure out something to do about it, it's making me mad here!  That's just BAD! 

[texasmom]

As much fun as it is to be here with y'all, this is my first time with the lappy and I cannot type very well.  I must use the mouse an awful lot because I keep looking for it.  Chasing my finger around on this little square is irritating. 

I have a good book I'm trying to finish and a hotel room to myself since the DH and daughter are downstairs in the hospitality suite listening to yet more barbershop!

Stay safe, my friends.  Good night.

Goodnight Peaches!  Enjoy your book! 

[Observer]

Ahhh very interesting! Rik Smid is a expert on Money Laundering in Casino's!

Snip 
Caribbean Financial Action Task Force

Caribbean Financial Action Task Force CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

Mr. Smid noted that Casinos are attractive to money launderers for a variety of reasons. One reason that Casinos are attractive to money launderers is because they offer a broad range of financial services including the issuing of credit, transfers of money into and out of bank accounts, currency exchanges services, issuance of checks and the acceptance of deposits.

be paid out in the form of a check or transferred to a bank account. While large deposits or withdrawals may cause unwanted attention, this may not be the case if such deposits or withdrawals are structured into smaller amounts. Money Launderers can also utilise Casinos to legitimise large amounts of proceeds by claiming they are gambling earnings. It is also possible that regulations can be relaxed for important customers; indeed casino employees may even be tempted into assisting customers deposit their funds without notice. Furthermore if a casino company operates gaming establishments in several jurisdictions, it can transfer funds among this establishment to obscure the origins of the funds and thereby assist in the layering of illicit proceeds. Furthermore, under certain circumstances customers can play anonymously in Casinos. In analysing the money laundering risks to the Casino industry, Mr. Smid suggested that a schematic by applied with two scenarios, one in which the casino management is involved and the other where the management is not involved. According to Mr. Smid, large scale money laundering is only possible if the casino management/ownership is involved. It is therefore vital that the ultimate beneficial ownership of the casino be established and to check on the integrity of the management of the casino and its staff. and this however is not often easy. Even when management is not involved in money laundering in casinos, problems can occur. In reviewing preventive measures, Mr Smid commented that in the Netherlands casinos are obligated to report unusual transactions and that these reports are both of a repressive and a preventative nature. Preventative measures include determining the ultimate beneficiary ownership of casinos, insuring the integrity of the management, efficient and effective internal administrative procedures, customer identification procedures, and unusual or suspicious transactions reporting requirements. Mr. Smid continued by delineating several examples of money laundering through casinos in the Netherlands. Mr. Smid described a situation where a customer approached a bank with a large amount of cash to deposit claiming the source of the cash to be casino winnings. These statements are difficult to verify, in the Netherlands there is, however, a reporting requirement for these types of unusual transactions as well as a requirement for customer identification. Mr Smid reiterated the difficulty for law enforcement and other authorities to determine beneficial ownership of some casinos when there is a link to bank secrecy jurisdictions. Indicators for unusual transactions reporting for Casino 4 objective and two subject indicators. The objective indicators for reporting are cash deposits of over 25,000 Dutch Guilders, wire transactions of over 25,000 Dutch Guilders, Selling of chips for cheques or foreign currency in excess of 25,000 Dutch Guilders. Subjective indicators incorporated other transactions which appear to be related to money laundering and structuring below the 25,000 Dutch Guilders. Mr Smid then presented a summary analysis of disclosures from received from Jan 1995- Nov. 96, 1861 Unusual Transactions by 336 persons 50% were Dutch nationality. 95% were cash transactions 192 by 54 persons were referred to Pub Prosecutors as Suspicious and 80% of these were cash transactions.

www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf

[texasmom]

Haha thanks TM You make me feel good!



I wonder if this is the same Judge Smid? I know his name is Smit also

1993 signed the clintons Drug Policy

Rick Smid
Oberstaatsamwalt, Dept. of Justice,
Rotterdam, The Netherlands

http://tinyurl.com/3dzoot

*******, I think that is one of the places I found him referenced; it seems like the other was a summit on drugs IIRC.

[texasmom]

Haha thanks TM You make me feel good!



I wonder if this is the same Judge Smid? I know his name is Smit also

1993 signed the clintons Drug Policy

Rick Smid
Oberstaatsamwalt, Dept. of Justice,
Rotterdam, The Netherlands

http://tinyurl.com/3dzoot

*******, I think that is one of the places I found him referenced; it seems like the other was a summit on drugs IIRC.

Why did I think your post said "Aids" policy?  I promise I'm not BUI!  I found him referenced signing 2 different policies, which is all I could make heads or tails of because most of the links were in Dutch.
 

[Miss Scarlet]

Miss Scarlet from Atlanta proper here.  As for Tot and Destiny, I don't know where they live, although Destiny mentioned a few miles from Gainesville, if I recall correctly.

Several areas are without power and Georgia Power estimates that power will not be completely restored until perhaps Tuesday.

The damage is wide spread and really looks like a war zone.  You can go to www.ajc.com for photos.  It's truly amazing.

At our house, as far as we know, we lost one pine tree.  Snapped it off about 2 feet from the ground and carried it off further down the yard but away from the house.  Praise the Lord!

[texasmom]

Miss Scarlet from Atlanta proper here.  As for Tot and Destiny, I don't know where they live, although Destiny mentioned a few miles from Gainesville, if I recall correctly.

Several areas are without power and Georgia Power estimates that power will not be completely restored until perhaps Tuesday.

The damage is wide spread and really looks like a war zone.  You can go to www.ajc.com for photos.  It's truly amazing.

At our house, as far as we know, we lost one pine tree.  Snapped it off about 2 feet from the ground and carried it off further down the yard but away from the house.  Praise the Lord!

Thanks for the information Miss Scarlet, and I'm so glad that you received minimal damage and are o.k.  Hopefully Tot and Destiny are some of the ones that are without power and will check in as soon as it is restored.  Prayers for Tot and Destiny and all of our other Georgia monkeys!

[klaasend]

Miss Scarlet from Atlanta proper here.  As for Tot and Destiny, I don't know where they live, although Destiny mentioned a few miles from Gainesville, if I recall correctly.

Several areas are without power and Georgia Power estimates that power will not be completely restored until perhaps Tuesday.

The damage is wide spread and really looks like a war zone.  You can go to www.ajc.com for photos.  It's truly amazing.

At our house, as far as we know, we lost one pine tree.  Snapped it off about 2 feet from the ground and carried it off further down the yard but away from the house.  Praise the Lord!

Glad to hear you are ok and I hope everyone else is too.  Lucky you didn't get more damage.  Thanks for checking in.

[klaasend]

Posted on the front page of SM:

nctripp wrote:


Thanks Aruba for keeping me interested in this story. I live near the UNC coed that was murdered so I got side tracked ..but since we
caught and arrested the murderers in 1 week , I’ll come back to this case. Now everyone will
be that much madder at Aruba. How stupid can they be to give USA one more reason to hate them.
I want to say it is time to bomb them but not fair to the innocent people.
Maybe just a strategic shock & awe right into the police station!!!!


Mar 15, 11:27 PM

[texasmom]

Ahhh very interesting! Rik Smid is a expert on Money Laundering in Casino's!

Snip 
Caribbean Financial Action Task Force

Caribbean Financial Action Task Force CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

Mr. Smid noted that Casinos are attractive to money launderers for a variety of reasons. One reason that Casinos are attractive to money launderers is because they offer a broad range of financial services including the issuing of credit, transfers of money into and out of bank accounts, currency exchanges services, issuance of checks and the acceptance of deposits.

be paid out in the form of a check or transferred to a bank account. While large deposits or withdrawals may cause unwanted attention, this may not be the case if such deposits or withdrawals are structured into smaller amounts. Money Launderers can also utilise Casinos to legitimise large amounts of proceeds by claiming they are gambling earnings. It is also possible that regulations can be relaxed for important customers; indeed casino employees may even be tempted into assisting customers deposit their funds without notice. Furthermore if a casino company operates gaming establishments in several jurisdictions, it can transfer funds among this establishment to obscure the origins of the funds and thereby assist in the layering of illicit proceeds. Furthermore, under certain circumstances customers can play anonymously in Casinos. In analysing the money laundering risks to the Casino industry, Mr. Smid suggested that a schematic by applied with two scenarios, one in which the casino management is involved and the other where the management is not involved. According to Mr. Smid, large scale money laundering is only possible if the casino management/ownership is involved. It is therefore vital that the ultimate beneficial ownership of the casino be established and to check on the integrity of the management of the casino and its staff. and this however is not often easy. Even when management is not involved in money laundering in casinos, problems can occur. In reviewing preventive measures, Mr Smid commented that in the Netherlands casinos are obligated to report unusual transactions and that these reports are both of a repressive and a preventative nature. Preventative measures include determining the ultimate beneficiary ownership of casinos, insuring the integrity of the management, efficient and effective internal administrative procedures, customer identification procedures, and unusual or suspicious transactions reporting requirements. Mr. Smid continued by delineating several examples of money laundering through casinos in the Netherlands. Mr. Smid described a situation where a customer approached a bank with a large amount of cash to deposit claiming the source of the cash to be casino winnings. These statements are difficult to verify, in the Netherlands there is, however, a reporting requirement for these types of unusual transactions as well as a requirement for customer identification. Mr Smid reiterated the difficulty for law enforcement and other authorities to determine beneficial ownership of some casinos when there is a link to bank secrecy jurisdictions. Indicators for unusual transactions reporting for Casino 4 objective and two subject indicators. The objective indicators for reporting are cash deposits of over 25,000 Dutch Guilders, wire transactions of over 25,000 Dutch Guilders, Selling of chips for cheques or foreign currency in excess of 25,000 Dutch Guilders. Subjective indicators incorporated other transactions which appear to be related to money laundering and structuring below the 25,000 Dutch Guilders. Mr Smid then presented a summary analysis of disclosures from received from Jan 1995- Nov. 96, 1861 Unusual Transactions by 336 persons 50% were Dutch nationality. 95% were cash transactions 192 by 54 persons were referred to Pub Prosecutors as Suspicious and 80% of these were cash transactions.

www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf

As Gomer Pyle would say; "well surprise, surprise!"