Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - 3/19/08

[MumInOhio]

  I am going to the GREEN HS in Green Ohio tonight the 17th if any one else is going to the talk please contact me it's free and I would like to meet any other SM in the area  Please G mail me if you'd like to introduce yourself   my address is
   aniceguyfromohio@gmail.com
  Jerry from Ohio :+)

"My Name is Natalee’s Mom"

Beth Holloway

Saturday, March 15, 2008

7:30 p.m.

Muscle Shoals High School Auditorium

Hear:

About the loss of her daughter
How her Faith sustains her each day
About the International Safe Travels Foundation
 

Beth has chosen to speak out about her experiences in the hopes of sparing other families from having to face the same loss.

$30 per ticket

Ticket Outlets:

 Muscle Shoals High School Office
 
 Valley Credit Union – Muscle Shoals, Sheffield, Tuscumbia, & Russellville
 
 Coldwater Books – Tuscumbia
 
 First Franklin Financial – Muscle Shoals & Florence
 

http://mshsbb.org/

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Holloway to visit Green Schools

GREEN — The Green Schools Foundation (GSF) will present Beth Holloway March 17 at 8 p.m. in the auditorium at Green High School.

Holloway will share the story of her daughter, Natalee, who disappeared in Aruba May 30, 2005, during a school-sponsored trip.

Holloway has established the International SAFE TRAVELS Foundation to advocate for victims’ rights and to help the millions of Americans who travel internationally plan and enjoy a safer trip. She has appeared on TV networks and in numerous magazine and newspaper articles, and was selected by Barbara Walters as one of the world’s most fascinating people for her perseverance in seeking answers to what happened to her daughter.

Holloway recently completed a nationwide tour promoting her book, “Loving Natalee.”

The presentation is free and open to the public.

http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-community-news.asp?aID=1896

Thanks Klaas.

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
8:15 AM

Oh Jerry...I thought of you right away when I read it. You are such a lucky man. I am a little over an hour away, but DH was up at 2 this morning and as I don't drive I just can't go.(Insert sad, crying, Monkey here).

Have a great time, and can't wait for you to fill us in tomorrow...

PS...take your book...

[vms]

Since there has been some discussion about the VDS ancestry, I was asked to post this by someone who has an interest in genealogy. They were all part of the land lawsuit in Boxtel that Paulus' family started.


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http://www.echr.coe.int/ECHR/EN/Header/Case-Law/HUDOC/HUDOC+database/

Thanks...BT...nice to see you...That's a keeper...

Tamikosmom...I hope you had a wonderful weekend on beautiful Vancouver Island. We spent an Easter in Victoria, 24 years ago. Double-decker busses, crumpets and hot cross buns...

Mum ... thank you for asking.

Hubby, six year old grandaughter and I had a great weekend.  The weather could have been better.  You are right ... Victoria ... the capital of British Columbia ... as per her namesake ... is very British.

On Saturday fishing was were it was at for eldest son and hubby while DIL and I walked one of the many sea walls and then took the kids to the "Bugs' Zoo".  Along with handling many South American insects ... six year old grandaughter accepted the challenge and ... kissed a cockroach.  Mama  purchased Miss Muffet a T-Shirt that said "I KISSED A COCKROACH".  She insisted on wearing it to church on Sunday ... I let her.

 

I have learned to pick my battles.

Janet

  I love this story, Janet. Wonderful memories you are making for those grands.

[jackb]

Are these protest photos or a celebration.....?
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=304308&g2_GALLERYSID=9b1bcf335227b09533a393613e7a8701

Am I crazy or does this image look like joran with a green shirt and green hat on?
Dang,can't post it but it image #4,near the very top of the image.Also,did you notice Steve Croes DJ'ing on the Tatoo boat in the link you sent earlier?

I'm fairly certain those are pictures of the protest and I doubt Joran would be there, LOL.  In any case, this is the person you were thinking looked like him.  He does resemble Joran a bit.

LOL...that would be just like joran to try and insert himself in a protest on aruba.Scarey though how much that looks like him.Thanks for snatching it Klaas.

The only thing Joran would protest is not getting his daily dose of dope, or porn.  This boy looks to have a soul.  Joran lost his in the ditch.   Jackb

[jackb]

Since there has been some discussion about the VDS ancestry, I was asked to post this by someone who has an interest in genealogy. They were all part of the land lawsuit in Boxtel that Paulus' family started.


{{edit - see link for names}}
 
http://www.echr.coe.int/ECHR/EN/Header/Case-Law/HUDOC/HUDOC+database/

Thanks...BT...nice to see you...That's a keeper...

Tamikosmom...I hope you had a wonderful weekend on beautiful Vancouver Island. We spent an Easter in Victoria, 24 years ago. Double-decker busses, crumpets and hot cross buns...

Mum ... thank you for asking.

Hubby, six year old grandaughter and I had a great weekend.  The weather could have been better.  You are right ... Victoria ... the capital of British Columbia ... as per her namesake ... is very British.

On Saturday fishing was were it was at for eldest son and hubby while DIL and I walked one of the many sea walls and then took the kids to the "Bugs' Zoo".  Along with handling many South American insects ... six year old grandaughter accepted the challenge and ... kissed a cockroach.  Mama  purchased Miss Muffet a T-Shirt that said "I KISSED A COCKROACH".  She insisted on wearing it to church on Sunday ... I let her.

 

I have learned to pick my battles.

Janet

  I love this story, Janet. Wonderful memories you are making for those grands.

The tee must have had a sloot pic on it.   jackb

[jackb]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

I dunt kneeew since the slooticuses claimed Beth was decended from the Hitler crowd.
Wouldn't you say THEY opened the can of worms?   JackB

[Tamikosmom]

Steve Cohen..Just boggles my mind that he can say in front of millions at least two boys had sex with Natalee. Here we are two years later and the Kalpoes are suing for 800 million saying the opposite. Where in the Dossier did Mr.Cohen read that? Since he isn't a spokesperson anymore why doesnt he explain himself? Sounds to me that is in the police files as AM Digital reported the same thing on June 4th 2005 that all 3 had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever! 

Get a message out to Greta to have Steve Cohen on the show to answer about that as well as the "Lawsuit" and see if he politely declines.Betcha he does!

I am convinced that Steve Cohen was speaking from a foundation of knowledge when he stated at the conference that there had been an admission from two of the suspects ... admission that they had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Cohen never denied his quoted words in his feeble attempt at a retraction.

Janet

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Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.
Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

[katrien]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

I dunt kneeew since the slooticuses claimed Beth was decended from the Hitler crowd.
Wouldn't you say THEY opened the can of worms?   JackB

No, that's not what I was going to say. But the familymembers  of VdS did not open the can of worms either. They can't help it.

Would you like it, if you were part of the family of VdS to be dragged through the Internet?

[jackb]

http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/vandersloothistory11.htm

This is most likely the same family, but it doesn't go as far as Paulass.  I am confused because I had read somewhere that the Sloots were Jewish and this clan in Boxtel isn't Jewish.  I will keep hunting.

http://www.joranconfesses.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=58

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot also known as the father of Joran van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is also known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Paul van der Sloot is a member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place.

There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working.

Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away.

In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply.

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper

Thanks SS, interesting read.  Amazing that one of the widowed ancestors of PVDS gave birth to a child "Petrus" and actually threw him in a "ditch" right after he was born!  At first I thought I had read it wrong, but it was clearly stated.  He was found by a farmhand and lived!

Not hardly.  The decendents of the Jewish people settled to the southern end of the island and stayed there since after WWII.  They seem to have their own way of doing things whereas the other politicos settled the northern end, etc.  I am sure they intermingle through necessity and after a few generations the lines of "demarcation" are not as clear.  They do not seem from what I read that the southern part of the island is as accepting of outsiders and are very loyal as well to their friends once they accept them and of course their families.  The older fishermen who have dealt with the southern Arubans and the older generation there seem close, but the newer ones on either side seem to be more into hell raising with passing generations. I guess that is about how it goes anywhere.  There is a book somewhere on Aruba and her settlements on the I-net.  A history that was dating back to the first settlements and coming forward.  Again I have that on outside storage and am not where I can access it.  Jack b

I believe at one time and still may be the Sloots claimed Catholicism and Mrs Sloot got into the more contemporary religions.  Just some Buddist or Hindu thing  or some crossover religions (I am not so sure I can even understand myself) such as would the Suriname Kalpoes (Hindu) whose ancestors were of Mid Eastern decent.    again, j/b

[Magnolia]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

They were already on the internet.

[Tamikosmom]

The unholy alliance between the Aruban Tourism and the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was established at the getgo.  I suspect that it has never been about justice for a missing 18 year old American citizen.  I contend that it has always been about protecting the tourist dollar ... the tourist dollar which funds Aruba's illegal underground economy.

Janet

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US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=5&null=null

[BTgirl]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

They were already on the internet.

Yep, that's where the information came from. The person who passed the info on to me does internet research on their own family and knew I was interested in Natalee's case. They passed the info on to me when they happened across it on the internet.

There is almost nothing secret anymore in the internet age. The other night I asked someone who is good at internet research to find out everything they could about me on the internet. In a few minutes the person came back and told me the date I bought my house, the address, and exactly how much I paid for it. When I asked another friend to do the same thing, he forwarded me a photo of my husband and the fact that hubby had had a speeding ticket many years ago. 

[Tamikosmom]

John Q. Kelly saw through Steve Cohen Aruban agenda and ... said it how it was on the Dr. Phil Show.

Janet

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http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=8&null=null

John Q. Kelly
DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

We're not going to sit here and say, 'Mr. Cohen's a nice guy. He told us some nice things. Aruba's a nice country.' No! Their daughter's missing. We don't have answers. The answers are down there. They have the resources, they have the men, they have the answers, they've got the suspects, it's all down there for them to solve this, and they're not doing it. We need that done.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=8&null=null

[jackb]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

I dunt kneeew since the slooticuses claimed Beth was decended from the Hitler crowd.
Wouldn't you say THEY opened the can of worms?   JackB

No, that's not what I was going to say. But the familymembers  of VdS did not open the can of worms either. They can't help it.

Would you like it, if you were part of the family of VdS to be dragged through the Internet?

Beth's daughter and the rest of the family never did anything either.  American's nuke.  We don't play around.  This is no game and even their priest is not above looking into.  God help us, someone is going to pay for killing that girl.  She represents to some of us America and we do not like to go missing, be messed with, slandered, or shat upon.  We got more of the stuff, more people, more brains and God, so don't mess with one or you mess with all.  Natalee just happened to go missing and by luck of the draw and by the pitifulness and aloneness of her mother who appealed to me to help her as best I can.  I am not alone in my thinking.  Now is anyone wants to know WHY Natalee.  Why US--there you have it.  No color, no richness, just luck of the draw.  God saw fit for some reason for us to assist, maybe because no one else has had the committment down there, or it seems are stalling here in the US for some reason, maybe security reasons.  BUT SOMEONE is going to give us answers or we will NEVER leave it alone.  It will not get better.  It will get worse.  Jackb

[bleachedblack]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

They were already on the internet.

Yep, that's where the information came from. The person who passed the info on to me does internet research on their own family and knew I was interested in Natalee's case. They passed the info on to me when they happened across it on the internet.

There is almost nothing secret anymore in the internet age. The other night I asked someone who is good at internet research to find out everything they could about me on the internet. In a few minutes the person came back and told me the date I bought my house, the address, and exactly how much I paid for it. When I asked another friend to do the same thing, he forwarded me a photo of my husband and the fact that hubby had had a speeding ticket many years ago. 

I have to agree...if the info is out there, then it's fair game in my book.

[ldstlou]

Family Search, the Mormon database, has hundreds of Ditches listed.  We'd have no way to figure out who Paulass and Urine belong to without more information.  I wonder if our Dutch posters could poke around for us.  Paulass had to come from somewhere.   

Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.
 


Fin

Monkey? as in one of us?

[jackb]

Family Search, the Mormon database, has hundreds of Ditches listed.  We'd have no way to figure out who Paulass and Urine belong to without more information.  I wonder if our Dutch posters could poke around for us.  Paulass had to come from somewhere.   

Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.
 


Fin

Monkey? as in one of us?

Maybe as"...monkey chases the weasel."

[ldstlou]

Family Search, the Mormon database, has hundreds of Ditches listed.  We'd have no way to figure out who Paulass and Urine belong to without more information.  I wonder if our Dutch posters could poke around for us.  Paulass had to come from somewhere.   

Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.
 


Fin

Monkey? as in one of us?

Maybe as"...monkey chases the weasel."

can you explain that to me in english?

[katrien]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

I dunt kneeew since the slooticuses claimed Beth was decended from the Hitler crowd.
Wouldn't you say THEY opened the can of worms?   JackB

No, that's not what I was going to say. But the familymembers  of VdS did not open the can of worms either. They can't help it.

Would you like it, if you were part of the family of VdS to be dragged through the Internet?

Beth's daughter and the rest of the family never did anything either.  American's nuke.  We don't play around.  This is no game and even their priest is not above looking into.  God help us, someone is going to pay for killing that girl.  She represents to some of us America and we do not like to go missing, be messed with, slandered, or shat upon.  We got more of the stuff, more people, more brains and God, so don't mess with one or you mess with all.  Natalee just happened to go missing and by luck of the draw and by the pitifulness and aloneness of her mother who appealed to me to help her as best I can.  I am not alone in my thinking.  Now is anyone wants to know WHY Natalee.  Why US--there you have it.  No color, no richness, just luck of the draw.  God saw fit for some reason for us to assist, maybe because no one else has had the committment down there, or it seems are stalling here in the US for some reason, maybe security reasons.  BUT SOMEONE is going to give us answers or we will NEVER leave it alone.  It will not get better.  It will get worse.  Jackb

I know that. I also feel very sorry for Natalee and Beth, and I think it is terrible what the VdS promotion team is doing.
I also realise that if Beth did not react so quickly by going to Aruba straight away, she would not have known what she knows now.
The idea that you are an outlaw on the island Aruba because you can just disappear and it is going to be covered up, is scary.

But by bringing other members of the family in a painfull situation by doing research to the whole family you will harm innocent people and indirect also your own case.
I personally think it is wrong to do research to people, just because they belong to the VdS family, which they of course, can not help.

Joran told in the interview that he was sure Natalee never comes back. He knows what happened to Natalee, that's obvious.

[jackb]

Is it really necessary to put names of familymembers on the Internet.

I dunt kneeew since the slooticuses claimed Beth was decended from the Hitler crowd.
Wouldn't you say THEY opened the can of worms?   JackB

Then get your pipe and hat out Sherlock and get us what we want.  It is too late to cry for people who could have given that woman her daughter back three years ago.  You all know what we want and if THEY think we are going to feel sorry for them at this point and time, forget it.  It has gone too far. NH's family and loved ones and friends have gone through 3 years of hell and Aruba will not be forgotten for it.  Aruba cannot be forgiven until she asks forgiveness and that will start by giving the US her citizen back and by an INTERNATIONAL apology and humbling yourselves before those they have wronged.  God does not even forgive unless you ask him too.  How would you like your family member to go missing and have 80 plus thousand people against one familyf?  Now that about evens the score with having America against the 80 plus thousand or so.  Not all of us, perhaps, but the people in other countries will more than make up for it.  We do NOT like what Aruba did to that girl and her family.  At least their family members are alive to protest our using their names.  Natalee is not.  So get your Sherlock Holms gear on or put this message in your collective pipes and smoke it.

 Jack Blue

No, that's not what I was going to say. But the familymembers  of VdS did not open the can of worms either. They can't help it.

Would you like it, if you were part of the family of VdS to be dragged through the Internet?

Beth's daughter and the rest of the family never did anything either.  American's nuke.  We don't play around.  This is no game and even their priest is not above looking into.  God help us, someone is going to pay for killing that girl.  She represents to some of us America and we do not like to go missing, be messed with, slandered, or shat upon.  We got more of the stuff, more people, more brains and God, so don't mess with one or you mess with all.  Natalee just happened to go missing and by luck of the draw and by the pitifulness and aloneness of her mother who appealed to me to help her as best I can.  I am not alone in my thinking.  Now is anyone wants to know WHY Natalee.  Why US--there you have it.  No color, no richness, just luck of the draw.  God saw fit for some reason for us to assist, maybe because no one else has had the committment down there, or it seems are stalling here in the US for some reason, maybe security reasons.  BUT SOMEONE is going to give us answers or we will NEVER leave it alone.  It will not get better.  It will get worse.  Jackb

I know that. I also feel very sorry for Natalee and Beth, and I think it is terrible what the VdS promotion team is doing.
I also realise that if Beth did not react so quickly by going to Aruba straight away, she would not have known what she knows now.
The idea that you are an outlaw on the island Aruba because you can just disappear and it is going to be covered up, is scary.

But by bringing other members of the family in a painfull situation by doing research to the whole family you will harm innocent people and indirect also your own case.
I personally think it is wrong to do research to people, just because they belong to the VdS family, which they of course, can not help.

Joran told in the interview that he was sure Natalee never comes back. He knows what happened to Natalee, that's obvious.

[Kiwi]

Klassend you have email. With attachment.