Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 - 3/19/08

[Buckeye]

I am on my way out but, I was reading the Mathew's case at the European Court site that BT posted.  It talked about earlier Judicial rulings being sent to the Minister of Justice.  Does anyone know:

Do the judges in the Caribbean Court only recommend rulings to the Minister and he has the final say....or do the judges rulings stand on their own??

As far as the Van derSloot family issue....there was a time that we had pretty good confirmation that there were three VanderSloot tickets purchased on KLM from Holland, the Wednesday after Natalee disappeared.  If the two younger Sloots were not on board, then I believe looking at other Sloots would be warranted.  Not sure why you'd bring big guns to island when you're so sure your kid only dropped a girl at the HI (stated belief at the time).  I would like to know who the big family gun is...if there is one....or two.

TIA

I'll check later.

[Observer]

I dont have excel on this cpu but this appears to be 2006-2007

140, ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA. 141, ARBONA PARRA-VROLIJK, NANCY CAROLINE. 142, ARCHIBALD-DEGALE, DECIMA ...
www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS

2004

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA, 39-F. ARBONA PARRA-VROLIJK, NANCY CAROLINE, NUNE, 2-H. ARDILES SANCHEZ-PAREDES GONZALEZ, PATRICIA ...
www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm

[MumInOhio]

I am looking for the Business listing for Freddy’s Mom. The one like the one below for the ‘Excelsior Casino’. All of Freddy’s mom info is still the same in the 2006/2007 Chamber records. Can a really smart Monkey please help me with this?  TIA

If a really smart Monkey can find this and post for me, I will be forever grateful…you don’t even want to know how many hours I’ve spent looking and must have the wrong key!


EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 230, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 19 JUNE 1998

Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
POSNER, WALTER BRETT;
Residing in 9 BANOCKBURN COURT , BANOCKBURN III, U.S.A.
Born in U.S.A., CHICAGO, ILLINOIS on 21 MAY 1960
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 23 OCTOBER 1998
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
TO OPERATE A CASINO AT THE "HOLIDAY IN RESORT".


Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom: Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.

Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp

Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

Mum I looked up the Bubali Sports Club in the registry earlier today.  She is no longer listed, it looks like all of the information changed in May 2007.  I can get to the Chamber page now, but when I click for the Registry it won't come up.  I will keep trying if you want me to post the current information, but Freddy's mom was not listed.

Thanks everyone...maybe some-one has it saved, but the post said Dutch and that poster read it...who is a girl to believe Joran or a poster???

I'll go with the poster any day...Have a great evening everyone! A pleasure as usual!

[Observer]

Do the judges in the Caribbean Court only recommend rulings to the Minister and he has the final say....or do the judges rulings stand on their own??

I would imagine the Judges rulings stand on there own..I dont think any ministers have a say in it..But again this is Aruba..They all seemed to be on the same team as the Defense in Natalee's case

[vms]

Questions about the silver vehicle seen in the arubay video:

Was it determined to be an official police vehicle? If so, is that model a standard issue there?

TIA to anyone who can help me with these questions.

[klaasend]

Carpe's post on the front page of SM brought this to my attention:

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/aruba-tourism-authority-names-new-advertising-agency-lowe-new-york/

Aruba Tourism Authority Names New Advertising Agency, Lowe New York
 Business     February 14th, 2008
No comments (RSS 2.0)
Ad Agency Review Results in Selection of New Firm Based in New York City with Clients Including, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, Milk, XM Radio & More.

The Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has announced the appointment of a new advertising agency, Lowe New York.  The exciting news came February 8, when, after six months of searching for an advertising agency, ATA appointed Lowe New York to head up all of Aruba’s advertising in North America.  ATA began the government mandated advertising agency review in July 2007 with the assistance of 10 partners from the public and private sectors, and guidance from AAR Partners, a review specialist company.  AAR Partners is a third-party, industry-recognized consultant that provided counsel and expertise in the agency selection.  The process started with over 45 contending agencies and it was then narrowed to five exceptional firms from around the country.  After months of chemistry meetings, work sessions, conference calls and presentations, the much anticipated final decision was announced.  Lowe New York’s work with ATA officially starts April 1, 2008.

April Fools 

[klaasend]

Questions about the silver vehicle seen in the arubay video:

Was it determined to be an official police vehicle? If so, is that model a standard issue there?

TIA to anyone who can help me with these questions.

I don't believe it was ever determined who's vehicle it was or if it was official.  From the photos of the person in the vehicle, I would guess no.  I believe it was PVDS driving it.

[Observer]

Hi Mum,

From todays Solo Di Pueblo Newspaper #44 on the list

Fundacion Cuidami Y Suñami Lilian Rodriguez Arambatzis

[BettyLynn]

Comparative Criminology | Europe - Netherlands

Interesting summary of their law.

I hope I did this right. 

[BettyLynn]

Can someone tell me how to get a link from favorites to here. TIA

[vms]

Questions about the silver vehicle seen in the arubay video:

Was it determined to be an official police vehicle? If so, is that model a standard issue there?

TIA to anyone who can help me with these questions.

I don't believe it was ever determined who's vehicle it was or if it was official.  From the photos of the person in the vehicle, I would guess no.  I believe it was PVDS driving it.

I was watching a video of Mickey John's arrest and saw a similar vehicle. I also saw a video of PVDS and AVDS getting into a similar car. After looking again, I don't think either cars match exactly. Thanks, Klaas.

[Observer]

Can someone tell me how to get a link from favorites to here. TIA

Hi,

Try opening another window and adding the link from favorites,then copy and then paste to your post here.

[BettyLynn]

I could probably do that but it is REALLY long!

Let me try this 

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/europe/netherlands.html

[ldstlou]

Carpe's post on the front page of SM brought this to my attention:

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/aruba-tourism-authority-names-new-advertising-agency-lowe-new-york/

Aruba Tourism Authority Names New Advertising Agency, Lowe New York
 Business     February 14th, 2008
No comments (RSS 2.0)
Ad Agency Review Results in Selection of New Firm Based in New York City with Clients Including, Unilever, Johnson & Johnson, Milk, XM Radio & More.

The Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has announced the appointment of a new advertising agency, Lowe New York.  The exciting news came February 8, when, after six months of searching for an advertising agency, ATA appointed Lowe New York to head up all of Aruba’s advertising in North America.  ATA began the government mandated advertising agency review in July 2007 with the assistance of 10 partners from the public and private sectors, and guidance from AAR Partners, a review specialist company.  AAR Partners is a third-party, industry-recognized consultant that provided counsel and expertise in the agency selection.  The process started with over 45 contending agencies and it was then narrowed to five exceptional firms from around the country.  After months of chemistry meetings, work sessions, conference calls and presentations, the much anticipated final decision was announced.  Lowe New York’s work with ATA officially starts April 1, 2008.

April Fools 

you are a hoot!!!

[Observer]

This is interesting reading if you haven't read it in a while. From the Clausen Investigation in 2005 who looked into the Lions Den. I guess it's safe to say if you don't want to be followed anyone in Aruba,don't let them know you are coming you are coming to Investigate

http://nataleehollowaywhatweknowsofar.blogspot.com/  (Near Bottom)

[Observer]

I could probably do that but it is REALLY long!

Let me try this 

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/europe/netherlands.html

Lots of good info...Thanks!

Maybee Lorenzo just paid his fine and a kickback for his gun aresnal they found   

The Dutch government has given top priority to the investigation and prosecution of large-scale commercial cultivation of Nederwiet. It has doubled the criminal penalty to four years imprisonment and/or a fine of approximately $50,000.

[Tamikosmom]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:   

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/15/aruba-and-the-ahata-suing-greta-van-susteren-for-slanderous-statements-about-aruban-tourism-natalee-holloway-investigation/

Aruba and the AHATA Suing Greta Van Susteren for Slanderous Statements about Aruban Tourism & Natalee Holloway Investigation

Thanks Klaas

Do you have a YouTube link?  It may work better for me.

Thanks

Janet

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorDI9EzrF4

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338670,00.html

On the Record w/ Greta
Aruban Group Threatens to Sue Greta
Monday, March 17, 2008
FOXNEWS

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," March 14, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Well, hold on to your seats. someone, actually a group, wants to sue me — sort of.

Well, get this: Just hours ago I got a letter from an American lawyer who represents the Aruba Hotel and Tourism association. In the letter, the association accuses me and other members of the media of slanderous statements about their Aruban tourism industry and the Natalee Holloway investigation, and they are threatening to bring legal proceedings if we don't stop our false and malicious rhetoric.

Huh? Let's see what the legal panel thinks of this letter. Joining us live in San Francisco, criminal defense attorney Michael Cardoza, and here in Washington, criminal defense attorneys Ted Williams and Bernie Grimm.

Ted, my first call, of course, is to my husband John Cole. He is going to be my lawyer. He has saved me on more than one occasion. But what am I going to do?

TED WILLIAMS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The first thing you need to do is file something against this ignorant, incompetent lawyer, who would send a letter — you cannot defame and sue a country. There is a lawyer should have a —

VAN SUSTEREN: He is suing me.

WILLIAMS: Even you, on behalf of this country? Get real.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can I tell you, my response to this, Ted, is "bring it on." Will you please sue me? Sue me right now? I will wave all requirements, because I want to get all of these people under oath and depositions, because I would love it.

WILLIAMS: This guy is stuck on stupid, and Bernie will take it from there.

BERNIE GRIMM, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: OK, thanks, Greta. Greta just hired me. That's 200 bucks I made.

Ted is right. I think, and Jim Hammer counseled me on this —

VAN SUSTEREN: He isn't here tonight.

GRIMM: Oh. Well, Jim's watching — that I am going to resign from the practice of law because I feel like an idiot that I even share the same membership of this guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: No, we want this guy to sue me. Michael Cardoza, can you make this guy sue me? Do you realize that if I get sued, I get to prove everything? I get to depose police. It is a field day.

MICHAEL CARDOZA, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: If you are sued, you can talk about it even more. This law suit is about as well thought out as their investigation was, or this threatened lawsuit.

How are they going to prove damages, number one? Damages cannot be speculative. I know tourism went —

VAN SUSTEREN: Wait — that is the best thing. Tourism, we found out today, is up eight percent. That is the second thing.

WILLIAMS: And it may now go down, because he is now refreshing the public memory that they could not find Natalee Holloway in Aruba, and so now he may have hurt tourism in that country by this idiotic letter.

CARDOZA: How do you prove proximate cause, too? How do you prove that your statements were the cause of what they say is tourism going down there?

VAN SUSTEREN: Whose side are you on? White a second. I want them to sue me. Do not tell them not to. I want them to.

WILLIAMS: Is this a real law firm? Where did they get their law license?

VAN SUSTEREN: I don't know, but think of the discovery —

CARDOZA: You know what I think?

VAN SUSTEREN: What?

CARDOZA: One thing I do now, that when things happen, like Aruba — people forget about them rather quickly. In a year or so, even if, assuming, which I doubt, tourism went down for them, people would be flooding back there.

Now everybody listening is probably saying, what are they doing? Now I am really not going to Aruba. So they themselves are driving tourism down because of this silliness.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie?

GRIMM: After reflection, I think there is actually a cause action, and they should sue you.

VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you, Bernie.

GRIMM: Greta has made some statement, and I think I have made statements as well that are false.

VAN SUSTEREN: I just asked the questions.

WILLIAMS: I have never called for a boycott of Aruba, but I can tell you —

VAN SUSTEREN: What a coward he is.

CARDOZA: This is one where the only ones that are going to make money are the lawyers involved.

WILLIAMS: But this lawyer should give the money back to his clients, because he is stealing money from them in this circumstance.

CARDOZA: And certainly do not mention the guys name and give him the credit of doing that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bernie, what possesses a lawyer to send this?

GRIMM: It is something that possess nine out of ten lawyers, which is money.

WILLIAMS: Money.

GRIMM: And it is unfortunate because they make money by exploiting people and convincing them that they can win a case. It is sad.

VAN SUSTEREN: The other thing is that nothing is stated in here, nothing specific, nothing at all. What is it that we said? That they have not solved the case?

WILLIAMS: That there are idiots down there doing the investigation.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ted keeps saying horrible things.

GRIMM: FOX News appears to rely on false information, speculation, and reckless accusations. Hold up, here is the last part — Bernie Grimm is a very handsome.

CARDOZA: — intimidate FOX.

VAN SUSTEREN: But the thing is — I do not know. Maybe they did solve the case and we are wrong.

WILLIAMS: No. This is just idiotic incompetence — an incompetent attorney. Let's put it that way.

GRIMM: Ted, do you think that the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, what should they do about their legal fee?

WILLIAMS: Get it back quickly, or retain me to get it back for them.

VAN SUSTEREN: And John Cole, my husband, a very busy man if we get sued. We'll have fun.

Panel, thank you.

[WhiskeyGirl]

There was an interesting comparison of the disappearance of Natalee with one in Puerto Rico -

snip
The Anhang murder case, however, illustrates the concerns over political and legal vulnerabilities in Puerto Rico.  The public perception is similar to that of Aruba following the Natalie Holloway murder on that island.  People are simply afraid to visit these locations if they fear there is little police protection.

Like the Holloway case, Adam's murder was plagued by "incompetence" from the very beginning when investigators seemingly failed to properly interrogate Anhang's wife.  There were also initial allegations that a lawyer for Rivera was also  "involved" with Vazquez.
snip

http://www.gambling911.com/Puerto-Rico-Online-Gambling--031708.html

I wonder if Aruba tourism has done any studies/surveys of tourists to find out what the perception of crime on Aruba is?  What the perception of police protection is?  How the the judicial system is perceived to function?  How tourists perceive the situation could be improved?

I read that the recent upswing in tourism has been attributed to an increase in tourists from the UK.  I wonder how these new tourists view the island?  Do they see the island as being more or less safe than other destinations?  Goa?

What do they tell their friends about their visit?

[Observer]

There was an interesting comparison of the disappearance of Natalee with one in Puerto Rico -

snip
The Anhang murder case, however, illustrates the concerns over political and legal vulnerabilities in Puerto Rico.  The public perception is similar to that of Aruba following the Natalie Holloway murder on that island.  People are simply afraid to visit these locations if they fear there is little police protection.

Like the Holloway case, Adam's murder was plagued by "incompetence" from the very beginning when investigators seemingly failed to properly interrogate Anhang's wife.  There were also initial allegations that a lawyer for Rivera was also  "involved" with Vazquez.
snip

http://www.gambling911.com/Puerto-Rico-Online-Gambling--031708.html

I wonder if Aruba tourism has done any studies/surveys of tourists to find out what the perception of crime on Aruba is?  What the perception of police protection is?  How the the judicial system is perceived to function?  How tourists perceive the situation could be improved?

I read that the recent upswing in tourism has been attributed to an increase in tourists from the UK.  I wonder how these new tourists view the island?  Do they see the island as being more or less safe than other destinations?  Goa?

What do they tell their friends about their visit?

Thats all the Aruba officials and spokespeople have talked about is how safe there island is,from the very first Aruba interview until the last. If they don't say it publicly in every interview they lie about it on the records.

They are peddling there tourism everywhere,as they planned for a fallout of tourism from the U.S. They probably Marketed more in places like Venezuela,U.K and the rest of western Europe,where they know little about Natalee Holloway. Obviously they spend most of the Marketing budget here in the U.S,we saw with Greta they are trying to shut our media up so the American cattle doesnt continue to hear how evil the Aruban Govt really is.

[Tamikosmom]

I do believe that Aruba should be focusing blame the decline in tourism on those closer to home.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007

Mansur:

People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.