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« Reply #640 on: March 18, 2008, 12:13:30 AM »

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.


http://www.socialistinternational.org/viewArticle.cfm?ArticlePageID=813

XXII Congress of the Socialist International, São Paulo
27-29 October 2003

FULL MEMBER PARTIES


ARUBA
People’s Electoral Movement, MEP
Nelson Oduber
Rudy Croes
Junior Arends
Mervin Ras
Elvis Hill
Glenda Oduber-Croes
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« Reply #641 on: March 18, 2008, 12:14:02 AM »

I have a question that has been in the back of my mind all day.  I recall reading that one of the infamous three claimed that Koen had been at Urine's house earlier on the evening of May 29th.  Does anyone else remember reading this in the volumes of statements that were given?      It continues to bother me that Koen's family sold the boat so fast and moved.  Could it be that when the Kalpoes went by Urine's house (but didn't go in  ) on the way to see the sharks, that Koen was still there in the apartment?  Perhaps Paulass had both the boat and the help of another father in taking Natalee to the ocean.       
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« Reply #642 on: March 18, 2008, 12:18:03 AM »

Your the man Caesu! He drove into a man with his car and then fled the scene and went to Colombia on Vacation..Just lovely,and no one is above the law in Aruba? 
I think Kendrink,Rudy and Hendrick are all brothers. Hendrick was the MOJ before Rudy and Rudy is on record demanding if he isn't the MOJ then Hendrick should be.



yes i read that that also now from a more trusted source:
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/ca20060110_statusviering.html
so those three are brothers. betico the oldest then hendrik, then rudy.
but hendrik is more mentioned as brother of betico - and rudy as brother of hendrik.
but this of course implies betico and rudy as brothers too. but that's less mentioned (or at least half-brothers).

what i read about hendrik is that he is gay-hater. not a very good one for a MOJ.
in dutch articles i read worse things how he compares gays with animals and pedo's.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/082105Aruba.htm

but what years was Hendrik was MOJ? during Oduber I (89-93) and then Oduber II (93-94) Rudy as MOJ and Oduber IV,V 2001-now Rudy again?
very sparsly documented online.
understandable from the Croes / MEP side to keep it shady.

from this highly interesting article from 1997 (has this been posted before on SM??) which i haven't read fully yet Hendrik must have been MOJ in Oduber I.
then i wonder why did Oduber I fall...
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
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Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
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« Reply #643 on: March 18, 2008, 12:18:39 AM »

 

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« Reply #644 on: March 18, 2008, 12:23:53 AM »

I am on my way out but, I was reading the Mathew's case at the European Court site that BT posted.  It talked about earlier Judicial rulings being sent to the Minister of Justice.  Does anyone know:

Do the judges in the Caribbean Court only recommend rulings to the Minister and he has the final say....or do the judges rulings stand on their own??

As far as the Van derSloot family issue....there was a time that we had pretty good confirmation that there were three VanderSloot tickets purchased on KLM from Holland, the Wednesday after Natalee disappeared.  If the two younger Sloots were not on board, then I believe looking at other Sloots would be warranted.  Not sure why you'd bring big guns to island when you're so sure your kid only dropped a girl at the HI (stated belief at the time).  I would like to know who the big family gun is...if there is one....or two.

TIA

I'll check later.

rulings by judges should for sure stand on their own. justice minister has nothing to say about that.
of course that's how it should be.
MOJ through procureur generaal can let OM appeal of course at a higher court.
highest court is in The Hague. highest court can't rule themselves or sentence. this court can only revert back to lower court (Willemstad in the case of Aruba/Antilles) only if all procedures weren't followed correctly. in that case there is a re-trial.
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« Reply #645 on: March 18, 2008, 12:24:17 AM »

Thank you Caesu!  I'd tried to read about the hit and run today!  Don't give up on RC, I'm sure there's a lot to know....good work!

Thank you also SS, for the information on the brothers!

 
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« Reply #646 on: March 18, 2008, 12:25:47 AM »

Easter Video 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uQYrM4yluGA
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NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008


HUGHES: I`m Holly Hughes in tonight for Nancy Grace. We are discussing the fact that today an Aruban court of appeals handed down a decision saying that Joran van der Sloot cannot -- yes, you heard me, cannot be rearrested in the case of Natalee Holloway. This is outrageous. I cannot believe that this young man confessed on videotape in gritty detail, and yet the court of appeal says, oh well, you know, we`re not going to let you rearrest him. Let`s find out what`s going on. I want to go straight out to Tracy Sabo, who is a CNN senior producer.

Tracy, what in the world does the court of appeals base this decision on?

TRACY SABO, CNN SR. PRODUCER: Well, the court of appeals said today that the entire argument lacked any sufficient evidence to corroborate the prosecutor`s allegations that van der Sloot was actually involved in Natalee`s death. And he based that decision on what he said was contradictory statements, primarily by Joran van der Sloot which were not able to be sustained by any further investigative material.

They did look at all of the video, they listened to all of the audio and they came back and said the bar is very high. This is a suspect who has already been in pretrial detention multiple times already. And it didn`t reach that level, in their opinion.

HUGHES: Unbelievable. Now they listened to the video, right? They heard what was on that tape, is that correct, Tracy?

SABO: Yes, they not only heard what we`ve been reporting and what the Dutch television show has been reporting, but in theory, many other hours of investigative material that was recorded by De Vries and his team there in the Netherlands.

HUGHES: OK, I want our viewers to be able to hear exactly what he says on those tapes. Can we roll that, please?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t. You know, people can also go into comas.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes, I wasn`t sure about that, but it really scared me to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that, that you were scared. Did you really prod her and stuff?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no, but it didn`t look good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): How didn`t it look good, then?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Just, you know, she`d been shaking and stuff.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): What, really shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes, I don`t know, yes, pretty much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I`m asking you. How were you so (expletive deleted) she was dead, man?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I wasn`t sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): This guy really knows what he is doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no, I don`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): You don`t even know that?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Of course, he did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): How did he do it, then?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): He just threw her overboard just like that? You`ve been really lucky, you know? No (expletive deleted) you`ve really been lucky.

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): That`s what I say, I`ve been very lucky.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Really lucky that he has been so stupid to do this, you know.

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HUGHES: That`s video from ABC`s "20/20" of the Joran van der Sloot, emotionless about 18-year-old Natalee Holloway likely dumped at sea. Now as outraged as I am, and furious, as I`m sure you all are, I want to go to a man whose heart is breaking over this.

Jug Twitty, tell me your reaction when you hear this.

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: Well, Holly, I`ll tell you, it`s very disappointing. But it doesn`t surprise me. I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick.

But, yes, ,hey I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to -- you know, to blow up. He`s - - I know there are a lot of people, me included, that think the world would be a lot better off without Joran in it.

HUGHES: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

TWITTY: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial. I just know that he has to live with it. He`ll be the one that`s looking over his shoulder the rest of his life. So we`ll see.

HUGHES: OK. Well, Jug, let me ask you this. What do you do next? I mean, what do you and Beth do next?

TWITTY: Well, I`ll tell you, Holly, one thing, you know, Beth -- and of course it`s heartbreaking for her too, I know. And -- but Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

And I just wish that they would step up, the Aruban government would try to give us an answer and put this thing to bed.

HUGHES: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

HUGHES: OK. Jug, thank you so much for being with us tonight.
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« Reply #647 on: March 18, 2008, 12:27:15 AM »

The struggle for Status Aparte

MEP and Betico Croes

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It was decided that Aruba would become independent from the Netherlands as of January 1996 with a transition phase of ten years, beginning on January 1st, 1986, in which the island would function as a country – separated from the Antilles – within the Kingdom of the Netherlands (‘Status Aparte’). Betico accepted the conditions of independence after ten years of Status Aparte because the most important issue for Aruba had been realized and because he could not return home empty-handed in view of the forthcoming elections.

The evening before the day the Status Aparte took effect, on December 31, 1985, MEP-leader Betico Croes was seriously wounded in a traffic accident. He got into a coma, so he did not witness the moment that the Status Aparte took effect and passed away, without ever having regained consciousness, in November of 1986

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=37&lang=en
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« Reply #648 on: March 18, 2008, 12:33:01 AM »

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from this highly interesting article from 1997 (has this been posted before on SM??)
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Yup,It's been posted many times and is some serious stuff. Someof those names mentioned are right in the middle of this case,as far as the mob connection and Natalee's dissapearance? Well that Govt is working hand in hand with them.IMO
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« Reply #649 on: March 18, 2008, 12:33:03 AM »


Who Was the Real St. Patrick?

There are many legends and traditions associated with St. Patrick's Day. Who was the real St. Patrick?

St. Patrick was not actually Irish. he was born around 373 A.D. in the British Isles near the modern city of Dumbarton in Scotland. His real name was Maewyn Succat. He took the name of Patrick, or Patricius, meaning "well-born" in Latin, after he became a priest.

During Patrick's boyhood, the Roman empire was near collapse and too weak to defend its holdings in distant lands. Britain became easy prey for raiders, including those who crossed the Irish sea from the land known as Hibernia or Ireland. When Patrick was sixteen, he was seized by raiders and carried off to Ireland.

Most of what is known about St. Patrick comes from his own Confession, written in his old age. In his Confession he wrote about his capture:

As a youth, nay, almost as a boy not able to speak, I was taken captive ... I was like a stone lying in the deep mire; and He that is mighty came and in His mercy lifted me up, and raised me aloft ... And therefore I ought to cry out aloud and so also render something to the Lord for His great benefits here and in eternity -- benefits which the mind of men is unable to appraise.

After Patrick was captured and taken to Ireland as a slave by an Irish chieftain named Niall, he was sold to another chieftain in northern Ireland. Much of Patrick's time was spend alone on the slopes of Slemish Mountain, tending his master's flocks of sheep. During the long, lonely hours in the fields and hills of Ireland, Patrick found comfort in praying. In his Confession he wrote:

... every day I had to tend sheep, and many times a day I prayed -- the love of God and His fear came to me more and more, and my faith was strengthened. And my spirit was moved so that in a single day I would say as many as a hundred prayers and almost as many in the night, and this even when I was staying in the woods and on the mountains; ... and I felt no harm, and there was no sloth in me -- as now I see, because the spirit within me was fervent.

Six years passed slowly by. Then in a dream, Patrick heard a voice saying, "Thy ship is ready for thee." This was God's way, he felt, of telling him to run away.

That night he fled. Assured God was leading him, Patrick plunged through the bogs and scaled the mountains which separated him from the sea. He escaped Ireland by ship, but God would call him back years later. Patrick had escaped his boyhood enslavement in Ireland only to hear the call of God as a man to return. He was being called on, he felt, to convert the Irish to Christianity. In his Confession Patrick wrote:

I saw a man named Victoricus, coming from Ireland with countless letters. He game me one of them and I read the opening words which were: The voice of the Irish ... I thought at the same moment I heard their voice: 'We beg you, young man, come and walk among us once more.'

And I was quite broken in heart, and could read no further, and so I woke up. Thanks be to God, after many years the Lord gave to them according to their cry.

... they call me most unmistakably with words which I heard but could not understand, except that ... He spoke thus: 'He that has laid down His life for thee, it is He that speaketh in thee;' and so I awoke full of joy.

When Patrick began his mission about 430 A.D., Ireland was gripped by paganism, Idolatry prevailed and the Irish knew nothing of Jesus. Patrick decided to go first to the pagan chieftain or king who had enslaved him as a boy. Rather than be put to shame by a former slave, the king set fire to his house and threw himself into the flames.

Patrick then set out for Tara, the seat of the high king of Ireland. When Patrick arrived, Tara was filled with many local kings and druids who were attending the pagan feast of Beltine which coincided with Easter that year. Patrick encamped in the full view of the castle to celebrate the Resurrection of Christ.

On the eve of the festival it was the custom, upon penalty of death, that the high king should light the first bonfire before any others in the land. Patrick, however, had kindled a great fire which gleamed through the darkness. Patrick was summoned before the king. The confrontation which followed is as amazing as Elijah's victory over the prophets of Baal.

Patrick stood and called, May God arise and His enemies be scattered. Darkness fell on the camp. Confused guards began to attack one another. The ground shook and the next day, Easter, a broken king knelt before God's servant. This confrontation between Patrick's God and demonic forces marked the beginning of a thirty-year mission to Ireland.

Patrick traveled the roads and forded the rivers of Ireland for 30 years to see men and women "reborn in God' and come to know the Christ he loved so much. Patrick wrote in his Confession:

We ought to fish well and diligently, as our Lord exhorts. Hence, we spread our nets so that a great multitude and throng might be caught for God.

By the time of his death, Patrick had baptized tens of thousands and established hundreds of churches throughout Ireland. Danger and hardship remained his constant companions. Twice he was imprisoned, but he was not discouraged. He wrote in his Confession:

Daily I expect murder, fraud, or captivity, but I fear none of these things because of the promises of heaven. I have cast myself into the hands of God Almighty who rules everywhere.

Within a century this once pagan land became predominately Christian, possessing such a vigorous faith that Ireland in turn sent missionaries to Scotland, England, Germany and Belgium.

As an old man, Patrick looked back in awe:

Those who never had knowledge of God but worshipped idols ... have now become ... sons of God.

The old saint died in his beloved Ireland on March 17th, 460 A.D. The land that once enslaved him, had now been set free.

Note: One of the most popular legends attributed to Patrick is that he used the shamrock as a visual aid to teach the principle of the Trinity. This story cannot be verified. However, from his writings it is evident the doctrine of the Trinity was central in his teaching.

http://holydays.tripod.com/shamrock.htm
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Someone just posted this link on the front page of SM:

http://www.kiwee.com/view.pd?i=647676270&m=8774&rr=y&source=kiwus999

 
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« Reply #651 on: March 18, 2008, 12:34:11 AM »

Good Night Monkeys.

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« Reply #652 on: March 18, 2008, 12:36:46 AM »

Nite Janet
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« Reply #653 on: March 18, 2008, 12:39:57 AM »



Someone just posted this link on the front page of SM:

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« Reply #654 on: March 18, 2008, 12:41:02 AM »

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
« Reply #296 on: February 14, 2008, 07:26:38 PM »

This was some great information about the reported brothers of Paulass.
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« Reply #655 on: March 18, 2008, 12:43:42 AM »

The struggle for Status Aparte

MEP and Betico Croes

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It was decided that Aruba would become independent from the Netherlands as of January 1996 with a transition phase of ten years, beginning on January 1st, 1986, in which the island would function as a country – separated from the Antilles – within the Kingdom of the Netherlands (‘Status Aparte’). Betico accepted the conditions of independence after ten years of Status Aparte because the most important issue for Aruba had been realized and because he could not return home empty-handed in view of the forthcoming elections.

The evening before the day the Status Aparte took effect, on December 31, 1985, MEP-leader Betico Croes was seriously wounded in a traffic accident. He got into a coma, so he did not witness the moment that the Status Aparte took effect and passed away, without ever having regained consciousness, in November of 1986

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=37&lang=en

earlier we were quoting from the same mafia article from where i understood Hendrik must have been MOJ in Oduber I. 

but yes, betico brains died (coma) the day before the status aparte went into effect.
but the first aruban government strangely? wasn't MEP, but AVP (with PM Henny Eman).
the grandfather of Henny and Mike Eman is also 'a founding father'. before 1950s aruba was ruled from curaçao.
then antilles became a country whitin the kingdom.

so MEP is the Croes-clan and AVP the Eman-clan.
but then there is Tico and Mito Croes in the AVP 

there is also this article, same writer as "The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba", i am going to read this too:
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_parool
Parool is a Amsterdam newspaper.

titles says: Aruban minister tells half the truth about drugs mafia
but now this minister plenipotentiary is Mito Croes (AVP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_Plenipotentiary_of_Aruba
current minister plenipotentiary is Fido Croes (MEP)
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« Reply #656 on: March 18, 2008, 12:50:33 AM »

Ahh so the Pagans were the snakes? ::MonkeyEek

Thanks Janet!

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Someone just posted this link on the front page of SM:

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« Reply #658 on: March 18, 2008, 12:53:39 AM »

Good Night Monkeys.

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Thank you, Janet; and goodnight!
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« Reply #659 on: March 18, 2008, 12:56:59 AM »


 

Caesu: Yup the AVP held the majority of power in the first election..That Mike Eman(AVP)was just aquitted on charges in that corruption scandal. But Tico Croes(AVP) and 6 others were guilty.


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