Part 4 of 5 Court Hearing 8/15/2005Witness during judicial preliminary analysis - INCL/J. van der Sloot: D. Kalpoe and S. Kalpoe
FROM THE FIRST COURT OF ARUBAPresent, August 15, 2005 Mr. J.S. Kuiperdal appeared for the judge-commissar, assisted by the clerk m.w. R.I. Koolman.
Last Name: PENATA RAMOS
First Name: Carlos Alberto
Age: 26 years
Living at: Aruba - L.G. Smith boulevard XXX
as witness for being heard in the matter, of which him will be given knowledge. The judge-commissar acknowledges Ms J. Driessen as an interpreter.
Additionally, is present:
the officer of justice Mr. K.P.J. Janssen
the lawyers mrs. A. Carlo and A.de Bie, counsel of suspect J. van der Sloot:
the lawyers mrs. R. Ooomen and R. Offringa, counsel of suspect D. Kalpoe
the lawyer Mr. E. Zeppenfeldt, counsel of suspect S. Kalpoe, suspect J. van der Sloot, D. Kalpoe and S. Kalpoe.
The witness explains he is not related to the suspects and he has not been employed by them.. The witness will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth and subsequently gave the oath in accordance with the statute book of sentence progress of Aruba.
On questions of the judge-commissar, the witness explains as follows:
I do not know Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe.
1. Can you remind yourself the declaration, which you have taken off 22 July 2005 on around 19.25 compared with the police force? Yes
2. Have you then spoken the truth? I have explained what I have seen.
3. The witness is asked to make a situation drawing (make production 1). The witness gives to where the car of suspect stood and the route he took.
4. Did you see the face of the driver when you went past? Yes.
5. Did you recognize him with a photograph confrontation? Yes, on the day that I gave a declaration at the police force they left me a photograph see from an illustrated magazine. That is the only photograph that they showed me.
6. Did you recognize the faces of the other persons in the car? Yes, the face of the person who sat beside the driver. When I came past I saw, in the light of my car, that the person beside the driver had his head and face covered with his hands. I have recognized that person from his illustration (photo). You ask me how I recognized the driver who sat beside the man who screened its face? I have seen him in the light of my "in the light of" (van). He moved himself a bit to the back.
7. You have also recognized Deepak Kalpoe? yes, on the same photograph which the police force showed me.
The witness is shown 3 photos (productions no 2., 3, and 4).
He is asked to designate the persons, who are involved in this matter.
Production no.2 on this wise the witness photograph no 6 to, the driver of the car.
Production no.3. The witness designates to photograph no 6 and tells that this person in the back of seat. After the witness shows no doubt left that this is the person in the seat.
Production no.4. The witness recognizes nobody from the photograph. On the questions of Mr. De Bie, Council man of the suspect J. van der Sloot, the witness answers as follows:
I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back. You asks me how I interrogate myself on this have prepared. I have been nervous. I have "stress" of the matter. This is the first time that something like this has happened to me. I was on holiday. You ask me why I did not appear the previous time. There are persons, who put pressure on me to talk. I have discussed the matter with my boss. I had discussed my holiday and knew of the rebellion. I have been placed under pressure by someone from Bubali, two inspectors and another man. They wanted that I come and give a statement. The second time I wasn’t here. When I drove along the car, it was dark that evening. By the lights of my "of" the car it was entirely lighted. The lights did not reflect in the car. You ask me why I have waited with giving my statement. Two guards have been apprehended firstly, who were innocent. The person who worked on the tattoo also knew of nothing. Days after the photograph appeared in Diario, I told some of it to my boss.
Because of the attention that the matter got, my boss said that I should wait as I have almost lost my job.
D. Kalpoe suspect on the questions of Mr. R. Oomen, Council man of, asked the witness as follows:
I look after the maintenance to the house, the hunting and ranch of Eric Mansur. I do this already 6 years. I deserve the minimum wage of afl. 1.250. live = I reside at L.G. Smith boulevard xxxxxx. The house is of Eric Mansur. In the time then the police force looked for me I was fishing. I was with my boss. There were also still 5 others with us. We have fished in Bonaire and Curacao. Up to and including yesterday I was on the boat. By having to come here my holiday has been spoiled. You ask me if I knew that the police force wanted me. After I returned I learned they wanted me. It was Saturday and a week had passed. I had left around August 6th. Nobody had told me that I had come as a witness. YOU ask me how long for my departure I was called. I think that that was Thursday. The first questions took place in Bubali. Present was one Luis and 2 police constables. The night
when I saw the car, it was very dark. You indicate to me that I have not come because I was frightened of the FBI and the DEA. Not for them but because of the publicity. I do not want for the TV to appear. You ask me if I would rather come into contact with the police force. No, I have, however, experienced something small on the street. With Eric and Carlo in my declaration I mean Eric Mansur and Carlo Mansur. You ask me with which they me has persuaded to give a statement. I it was approached by the son of Carlo. There was also a family member of the little girl at. They said that the detective talked with me savage. I have given a statement and have signed. You ask me or that Americans were. No, the inspector of Diario was.
You ask me who called me. That was Eduardo Mansur, family of my boss. I have heard that it the son of Jossy Mansur. I do not know him.
On the questions of the public prosecutor the witness answers as next:
I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
Observation: the indication of these persons in the Council chamber does not take place. The councel Oomen and Zeppenfeldt make to objection against this since three the some in the Council chamber are which qualify to are designated, suspect.
On closer questions of Mr. De Bie, the witness answers as follows: I have not heard from Eric Mansur nor from anyone else anything concerning the father of Joran van der Sloot.
On closer questions of Mr. Oomen, the witness answers: The police force has shown only a gray car to me.
Read persisted in Spanish, and signed.
CARLOS PENATA RAMOS
The public prosecutor requests once again the suspect designate persons. That request is rejected.
The lawyer Mr. E. Zeppenfeldt, Council man of suspected S. Kalpoe was asked if he had any questions for the witness. He had no questions.
Suspected of Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe was asked if he had any questions for the witness. He had no questions.
From what made up this proces-verbaal, which has been determined by the judge-commissar and clerk and has been signed,
R. KOOLMAN J.S. KUIPERDAL
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