"Is Race the Issue?"

[LouiseVargas]

I think 19 pages of postings on "Is Race the Issue" is too much. Many have strayed from the subject. I'm starting new topics.

[Tamikosmom]

This capital "C" Conservative believes that many of Clinton's support base realizes the Obama's far left ideology is not consistent with the values of the Democratic Party and ... ballota will be cast in favor of McCain whose ideology is just right of center.  Considering that capital "C" American Conservatives do not have any other choice ... ballots will be cast in favor of McCain.  My prediction ... the result will be a "left-wing right-wing" President of the United States.

 

Janet
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Transcript: Hillary Clinton’s Concession Speech
by FOXNews.com
Saturday, June 7, 2008

Now, I understand — I understand that we all know this has been a tough fight, but the Democratic Party is a family. And now it’s time to restore the ties that bind us together and to come together around the ideals we share, the values we cherish and the country we love.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/07/transcript-hillary-clintons-speech/


Republicans prepare to take aim at Obama
Wednesday, January 9, 2008

But for former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was known as "the Hammer" on Capitol Hill, said Republicans need to start deconstructing Mr. Obama now.

"Somebody from our side needs to start talking about Obama today. He's a Marxist but a very smart one — he doesn't let anyone know it," said Mr. DeLay.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=1

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=2


Obama Sought Endorsement of Marxist Third Party in 1996
May 29, 2008

By Warner Todd Huston

Here is some interesting as well as character confirming info about one of Barack Obama’s former runs for office. Apparently, Obama actively sought and received the stamp of approval of a Marxist third party that operated briefly in Chicago between 1992 and 1998. The group was called the “New Party” and was started in 1992 by Daniel Cantor (a former staffer for Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign) and Joel Rogers (a sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison).

The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials — most often Democrats. The New Party’s short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.

Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party’s Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.

The New Party’s modus operandi included the political strategy of “electoral fusion,” where it would nominate, for various political offices, candidates from other parties (usually Democrats), thereby enabling each of those candidates to occupy more than one ballot line in the voting booth. By so doing, the New Party often was able to influence candidates’ platforms. (Fusion of this type is permitted in seven states — Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Mississippi, New York, South Carolina, and Vermont — but is common only in New York.)

Though Illinois was not one of the states that permitted electoral fusion, in 1995 Barack Obama nonetheless sought the New Party’s endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.

In 1996, three of the four candidates endorsed by the New Party won their electoral primaries. The three victors included Barack Obama (in the 13th State Senate District), Danny Davis (in the 7th Congressional District), and Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in the 7th Subcircuit Court. All four candidates attended an April 11, 1996 New Party membership meeting to express their gratitude for the party’s support.

The New Party’s various chapters similarly helped to elect dozens of other political candidates in a host of American cities.

One of the more notable New Party members was Carl Davidson, a Chicago-based Marxist who became a political supporter of Barack Obama in the mid-1990s.

In 1997 the New Party’s influence declined precipitously after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that electoral fusion was not protected by the First Amendment’s freedom of association clause. By 1998 the party was essentially defunct. Daniel Canto and other key party members went on to establish a new organization with similar ideals, the Working Families Party of New York.

This news pretty much confirms that Barack Obama is at the very least a neo-Marxist and also confirms the claim that he is one of the most far left leaning Senators we have in office today.

This man is no “new” politician, no “centrist,” and not interested in ever “reaching across the aisle.” This whole “new way” line of bunkum is all smoke a mirrors.

http://conservablogs.com/publiusforum/2008/05/29/obama-sought-endorsement-of-marxist-third-party-in-1996/

[Tamikosmom]

No ... race is not the issue ... ideology is.

Janet

[caesu]

Obama might win bigger than some expect with the evangelicals.

i was quite surprised by this article:

Barack Obama is trying hard to win evangelical voters. Does that effort stand a chance?

If one third of white evangelicals voted for Bill Clinton the second time, at the height of Monica Lewinsky mess--that's a statistic I didn't believe at first but I double and triple checked it--I would not be surprised if that many or more voted for Barack Obama in this election. You're seeing some movement among evangelicals as the term [evangelical] has become more pejorative. There's a reaction among some evangelicals to swing out to the left in an effort to prove that evangelicals are really not that right wing. There's some concern that maybe Republicans haven't done that well. And there's this fascination with Barack Obama. So I will not be surprised if he gets one third of the evangelical vote. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 40-percent.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godometer/2008/06/exclusive-interview-with-mark.html

i think the destruction of the god's creation, the planet through global warming - drives christians to the more envirnoment-friendly left. 

[WhiskeyGirl]

What if someone substituted the following words for "white" in the theology of Obama's church?

black
Jew
Catholic
Mexican
American
Tutu
homosexual

Would that make the theology more palatable?

What happens to the minority view in any unification process?

[Tamikosmom]

What if someone substituted the following words for "white" in the theology of Obama's church?

black
Jew
Catholic
Mexican
American
Tutu
homosexual

Would that make the theology more palatable?

What happens to the minority view in any unification process?

As far as I am concerning ... the racist, Marxist, anti-American, anti-Jewish ideology of TUCC and its Pastor is not the issue.  The issue is Obama's twenty year relationship with a Pastor and a twenty year afflication with a church which embraces a racist, Marxist, anti-American, anti-Jewish ideology.

Janet

[nonesuche]

Janet I agree, plus his relationships in Africa that are kept neatly undercover.

but..........I have another issue plus a story to tell......

The issue that just keeps bothering me increasingly is he is a FRESHMAN senator. I don't care what race any presidential candidate is, I do not think any freshman senator is seasoned enough to handle the plethora of back-breaking, complex, risky problems we now face. Just list them out on a short list:

- War
- Terrorism
- Failing economy in terms of competing for world trade against other super powers like China
- Devaluation of the dollar globally
- Health care's rising costs and many US citizens now shut out of affordable health care
- Significant loss of jobs in manufacturing, technology, and now financial and insurance services in the US

That's just the short list folks, how in the heck does any freshman senator have the experience base to weather wise decisions in all of those? Who in his cabinet will?

Now my story. I am working on a project with a black american consultant, a PMP which to some of you will evidence that's the top credential in project management. Well she's an odd bird as it is, seems to resent authority and is moody too, but I've chalked that all up to knowing she grew up in a southern rural area during a point in time when few if any black women were able to achieve at the level she's risen to. I say this just because I'm the first to admit few had the advantages I did, such as parents willing to spend their last dollar on my education and who valued education as the single most important thing in our lives just after our values.

Well she didn't show up this week at work in Dallas, didn't call the project head either, just called me as my plane landed and asked me to fill in for her? I resented that for I already have a large job of my own, nor would I ever do that to another colleague. But what does one do? Of course I went without sleep to do her job and mine too.

She finally flies in late Wednesday night, of course she had called me at 9am that morning on my mobile to tell me she was going to arrive by 2pm. The client isn't happy she's not shown up at a critical time in our testing for this transformation and trust me this is a huge and important client. SO she made me look foolish too for I told them she would be arriving by 2 that day - then she doesn't show up? 

So finally the next morning as I'm working like a maniac for I'm behind, I have much to do and she strolls in talking and yakking about how she stayed at home to "celebrate Obama". I said "what you say?"........I am not kidding.......she stated she stayed at home to celebrate Obama and the first black man winning the nomination and possibly being our next president.

So then I asked her how old she was when Kennedy was assassinated, she stated she was my age - I said "well as I recall we went home from school that afternoon but were in school the very next day and it was a devastating day". Then I asked her what she thought Obama could do for our country, what she thought he could do to turn our country around.

Know what this woman with a PMP and a master's said back to me? "Oh I don't know, I just know it's time we have a black man in the white house".

THIS is exactly what I've been so afraid of, voters just filing in behind Obama because he's black, not because he's the best or the right candidate.

I rest my case......a most educated woman choosing her vote based on race.

[Tamikosmom]

... and if you are white .... many believe you are racist because you do not vote for Obama and ... if you are black and do not vote for Obama ... you are a "sellout".

 

When did ideology ... stand on issues ... determine the candidate of choice at the polling both.

Some may have a problem with the policies of the Bush administration but ... to vote for someone who promises "change" without fully comprehend what "change" may imply is not the answer.

Thank you for for sharing None.

Janet

[LouiseVargas]

Dear None,

This woman you mention is totally irresponsible as demonstrated by your saying she does not show up for work on time and does not call in advance. 

I hate anyone stereotyping anyone. I hope this black woman is an aberration.

No case to rest. One woman does not a case make.

[Tamikosmom]

... and if you are white .... many believe you are racist because you do not vote for Obama and ... if you are black and do not vote for Obama ... you are a "sellout".

 

When did ideology ... position on issues ... cease to determine the candidate of choice at the polling both.

Some may have a problem with the policies of the Bush administration but ... to support a candidate who promises "change" without fully comprehending what "change" may imply is not the answer.

Thank you for for sharing None.

Janet

[LouiseVargas]

Here in America we have a secret ballot. Only officials can report the results. Your point is mute. No one is supposed to know how another person votes.

[Tamikosmom]

Here in America we have a secret ballot. Only officials can report the results. Your point is mute. No one is supposed to know how another person votes.

Louise ... your attitude is not appreciated.  We can agree to disagree respectfully on the Obama issue.

When Jeremiah Wright rants from the pulpit that blacks who do not support black candidates are sellout ... rants that blacks who do not support black candidates do not comprehend that Whites are the enemy and ... the congregation of thousands affirm his words with their applause ... logic dictates that the secret ballot is really no secret.

I have made it clear that my candidate of choice in the local, Provincial and National Canadian elections are those with an ideology that reflects my conservative values.  Obviously ... my secret ballot is really no secret.

Janet

[SteveDinMD]

Dear None,

This woman you mention is totally irresponsible as demonstrated by your saying she does not show up for work on time and does not call in advance. 

I hate anyone stereotyping anyone. I hope this black woman is an aberration.

No case to rest. One woman does not a case make.

No, but Obama had consistently polled over 95% of the black vote during the Democrat primary campaign.  95% of the people can't agree on ANYTHING, let alone on a political candidate.  On what basis, then, did black voters choose Obama if not on the basis of racial affinity.  A young colleague of mine, who happens to be black, was discussing the Obama campaign with me over lunch this past week.  He voted for Obama, yet, as we came to find out, disagreed with Obama on every single issue.  He actually couldn't identify a single policy position of Obama's and admitted that the man had no accomplishments or qualifications recommending him for the Presidency.  He disagreed with Hillary, too, by the way, and defended his vote by saying he was a lifelong Democrat, had to vote for SOMEBODY, and thought it best that somebody new get the nomination this time around.  That's a somewhat defensible position, I suppose.  My colleague also said that all his family members voted for Obama because they were excited about the candidacy of a black man with a good chance to be elected President, and despite the fact that he believes most of them would probably disagree with Obama on most issues.  That's troubling.  Identity politics cast a power spell over people, and have been the basis for violence, even genocide, in other parts of the world.  This is cause for concern, especially considering that no multi-ethnic/multi-cultural society had ever succeeded over the course of human history.  They've all failed owing to ethnic strife of one kind or another. 

[nonesuche]

Thank you Janet.

Steve, thank you for stating it better than I did, you are right on the mark of my concerns.

Louise, to be fair the black professional I wrote about isn't in the habit of missing work and honestly if she were not diversity, she likely would have been fired for missing work at such a critical point in this transformation and testing effort. I've witnessed other colleagues having been let go for far smaller infractions.

[Auntiem]

      Has anyone ever heard Obama quote or even mention the name, Dr. Martin Luther

King, Jr.????  The man "Who had a Dream"!!!!  And is dream was a "colorless"

Society!!!   He wanted to see his 4 little children walk hand in hand with children of ALL races!!! 

         He wanted his children to be " ....judged, not by the color of their skin, but the character within them"!!!!

    Is that where our Society has evolved....for the most part, I hope......but for the

African-Americans, merely on the Obama "BandWagon", following his "Charaismatic

Double Talk" and his PHYSICAL APPEARANCE, and ignoring the racist theology of

the "Black Church"  (did Jesus have two or more theologies or moral philosophies

going??)    Can someone explain to me what is and why is there a Black Theology or

Black Church????  My church welcomes ALL......

[Tamikosmom]

      Has anyone ever heard Obama quote or even mention the name, Dr. Martin Luther

King, Jr.????  The man "Who had a Dream"!!!!  And is dream was a "colorless"

Society!!!   He wanted to see his 4 little children walk hand in hand with children of ALL races!!! 

         He wanted his children to be " ....judged, not by the color of their skin, but the character within them"!!!!

    Is that where our Society has evolved....for the most part, I hope......but for the

African-Americans, merely on the Obama "BandWagon", following his "Charaismatic

Double Talk" and his PHYSICAL APPEARANCE, and ignoring the racist theology of

the "Black Church"  (did Jesus have two or more theologies or moral philosophies

going??)    Can someone explain to me what is and why is there a Black Theology or

Black Church????  My church welcomes ALL......

Auntiem ... I hope the follow gives insight into "Black Power & Black Theology".  The ideology is racist, anti-American, anti-Jewish and Marxist based on the writings of James Cone.

Janet
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THE FOUNDATION OF TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST (TUCC) - BARACK OBAMA'S CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS
 
... "The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology."

http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

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The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
April 2, 2008

While Black Liberation Theology is not main stream in most black churches, many pastors in Wright's generation are burdened by (James) Cone's categories which laid the foundation for many to embrace Marxism and a distorted self-image of the perpetual "victim."

... In FOR MY PEOPLE, Cone explains that "the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are."

More:
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php

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Black Theology & Black Power (Paperback)
 
First published in 1969, "Black Theology & Black Power" provided the first systematic presentation of black theology. Relating the militant struggle for liberation with the gospel message of salvation, James Cone laid the foundation for an original interpretation of Christianity that retains its urgency and challenge today.

http://www.amazon.ca/Black-Theology-Power-J-Cone/dp/1570751579

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QUOTES - "BLACK POWER & BLACK THEOLOGY"

"Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants." James Cone
 
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." James Cone

"In the New Testament, Jesus is not for all, but for the oppressed, the poor and unwanted of society, and against oppressors ... Either God is for black people in their fight for liberation and against the white oppressors, or he is not." James Cone

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[Tamikosmom]

Not all "Black" churches are affiliated with the ideology of James Cones.  However ... many "Black" churches are.

Nevertheless ... the terms "Black Church", "Black Theology", "Black Power" and "Black University" really bother me.

Can you imagine the uproar if the terms "White Church", "White Theology"  "White Power" or "White University" were encorporated into mainstream America.  Believe me ... these terms would be correctly be regarded as the promotion of "hate".  The media would be relentless in its condemnation.

Why is a double standard tolerated?  This in itself is racism ... racism in reverse.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

continued ....

In other words ... WHY IS RACE THE ISSUE?

[A's Fever]

issue that just keeps bothering me increasingly is he is a FRESHMAN senator. I don't care what race any presidential candidate is, I do not think any freshman senator is seasoned enough to handle the plethora of back-breaking, complex, risky problems we now face. Just list them out on a short list:

For  me, this is exactly the issue that will keep me from voting for Obama, though I don't much care for the alternative.  No one with Obama's level of experience is qualified to be leader of the free world.

Seems to me the last time we voted in "change" from outside of Washington, we got Jimmy Carter, who was woefully unprepared to deal with world issues.  Iran, for example . .   Certain types of change and a fresh start would be nice, but, given the state of world affairs in a post-911 world, this is not the time.   

[A's Fever]

issue that just keeps bothering me increasingly is he is a FRESHMAN senator. I don't care what race any presidential candidate is, I do not think any freshman senator is seasoned enough to handle the plethora of back-breaking, complex, risky problems we now face. Just list them out on a short list:

For  me, this is exactly the issue that will keep me from voting for Obama, though I don't much care for the alternative.  No one with Obama's level of experience is qualified to be leader of the free world.

Seems to me the last time we voted in "change" from outside of Washington, we got Jimmy Carter, who was woefully unprepared to deal with world issues.  Iran, for example . .   Certain types of change and a fresh start would be nice, but, given the state of world affairs in a post-911 world, this is not the time.   

Darn, I botched the above post.  The first paragraph is Nonesuch's, the following two are my response.