"Is Race the Issue?"

[A's Fever]

Not all "Black" churches are affiliated with the ideology of James Cones.  However ... many "Black" churches are.

Nevertheless ... the terms "Black Church", "Black Theology", "Black Power" and "Black University" really bother me.

Can you imagine the uproar if the terms "White Church", "White Theology"  "White Power" or "White University" were encorporated into mainstream America.  Believe me ... these terms would be correctly be regarded as the promotion of "hate".  The media would be relentless in its condemnation.

Why is a double standard tolerated?  This in itself is racism ... racism in reverse.

Janet

But Tamiko's, the terms "white church", etc., are understood by those on the other side of the racial divide.  You are argue that it should not be, but my guess is, that to a very real extent, in the South Side of Chicago, Harlem, Watts and other areas of great disadvantage, this is how they perceive the world.  Idealistically, it would be great if Dr. King's dream came true and we were all one happy family, but, in reality, there still exists a great racial divide in this country, and it appears to be deepening.  If we label it racism and let it go at that we fall short of recognizing the deep economic and class disparity that can indeed lead to alternative ideologies. After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?

[Tamikosmom]

Not all "Black" churches are affiliated with the ideology of James Cones.  However ... many "Black" churches are.

Nevertheless ... the terms "Black Church", "Black Theology", "Black Power" and "Black University" really bother me.

Can you imagine the uproar if the terms "White Church", "White Theology"  "White Power" or "White University" were encorporated into mainstream America.  Believe me ... these terms would be correctly be regarded as the promotion of "hate".  The media would be relentless in its condemnation.

Why is a double standard tolerated?  This in itself is racism ... racism in reverse.

Janet

But Tamiko's, the terms "white church", etc., are understood by those on the other side of the racial divide.  You are argue that it should not be, but my guess is, that to a very real extent, in the South Side of Chicago, Harlem, Watts and other areas of great disadvantage, this is how they perceive the world.  Idealistically, it would be great if Dr. King's dream came true and we were all one happy family, but, in reality, there still exists a great racial divide in this country, and it appears to be deepening.  If we label it racism and let it go at that we fall short of recognizing the deep economic and class disparity that can indeed lead to alternative ideologies. After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?

Karl Marx used the plight of the "poor" to gain control of the masses under the smokescreen of "distributing" the wealth.

Name one Marxist regime where the "poor" have benefited.  Only the wealthy and the middle class were affected and ... any acquired wealth was not "distributed" ... it went to the line the pockets of the "powers that be" through force or ... through taxation.

Granted ... there is equality among the citizens of a Marxist regime ... equally poor.

Many "poor" of all races have risen above their humble beginnings ... took advantage of the opportunties afforded them under a "free" society and ... are now living the American dream.  Many "poor" of all races are not sitting in pews ... listening to a Marxist preacher rant about how they are somehow worthy of the fruits of what others have earned through hard work, risks and sacrifices.

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

Not all "Black" churches are affiliated with the ideology of James Cones.  However ... many "Black" churches are.

Nevertheless ... the terms "Black Church", "Black Theology", "Black Power" and "Black University" really bother me.

Can you imagine the uproar if the terms "White Church", "White Theology"  "White Power" or "White University" were encorporated into mainstream America.  Believe me ... these terms would be correctly be regarded as the promotion of "hate".  The media would be relentless in its condemnation.

Why is a double standard tolerated?  This in itself is racism ... racism in reverse.

Janet

But Tamiko's, the terms "white church", etc., are understood by those on the other side of the racial divide.  You are argue that it should not be, but my guess is, that to a very real extent, in the South Side of Chicago, Harlem, Watts and other areas of great disadvantage, this is how they perceive the world.  Idealistically, it would be great if Dr. King's dream came true and we were all one happy family, but, in reality, there still exists a great racial divide in this country, and it appears to be deepening.  If we label it racism and let it go at that we fall short of recognizing the deep economic and class disparity that can indeed lead to alternative ideologies. After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?

I do not see a great deepening racial divide, I see a melting pot.

Sometimes, there are alternative ideologies, and some may choose to remain separate.

How would Obama integrate the  teachings of his church into the presidency?  Will he be a president for just part of the nation?

Who decides who is "black" and who is not? 

What about those of mixed race?  What about people of unknown origins?  How will government serve them?

[WhiskeyGirl]

"After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?"

Didn't depression and the poverty of a nation inspire the "New Deal"? 

The WPA~

The Works Progress Administration (after 1939 Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest New Deal agency, employing millions of people and affecting most every locality, especially rural and western mountain populations.

...the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. The program built many public buildings, projects and roads and operated large arts, drama, media and literacy projects. It fed children and redistributed food, clothing and housing.

Until closed down by Congress and the war boom in 1943, the various programs of the WPA added up to the largest employment base in the country — indeed, the largest cluster of government employment opportunities in most states. Anyone who needed a job could become eligible for most of its jobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

Also Fascism -

Fascism is a government, faction, movement, or political philosophy that raises nationalism, and frequently race, above the individual and is characterized by a centralized autocratic state governed by a dictatorial head, stringent organization of the economy and society, and aggressive repression of opposition.[1] In addition to placing the interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or race, fascism seeks to achieve a national rebirth by promoting cults of unity, energy and purity.

Fascists opposed what they believe to be laissez-faire or quasi-laissez-faire economic policies dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression.[43] People of many different political stripes blamed laissez-faire capitalism for the Great Depression, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way [disambiguation needed]" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[44] Their policies manifested as a radical extension of government control over the economy without wholesale expropriation of the means of production. Fascist governments nationalized some key industries, managed their currencies and made some massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic planning measures.[45] Fascist governments instituted state-regulated allocation of resources, especially in the financial and raw materials sectors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Fascism_and_Religion

I have met many immigrants to the US who came because they perceived the US as the land of opportunity.  Many of them come from deep poverty that is unknown here.

They were given an opportunity and made the best of it.  They traded in the familiar for the unfamiliar.  They traveled great distances.  They made the transition from dirt poor economies to those of the lower, middle, and upper classes. 

What do the candidates see as the "American Dream"?  What future do they imagine for their children?  What future do they see for the United States? 

What is right with the United States?  How can we as a nation make it even better?

"Give me a fish and I eat for a day, teach me to fish and I eat for a lifetime." - Ancient Chinese Proverb

[A's Fever]

Not all "Black" churches are affiliated with the ideology of James Cones.  However ... many "Black" churches are.

Nevertheless ... the terms "Black Church", "Black Theology", "Black Power" and "Black University" really bother me.

Can you imagine the uproar if the terms "White Church", "White Theology"  "White Power" or "White University" were encorporated into mainstream America.  Believe me ... these terms would be correctly be regarded as the promotion of "hate".  The media would be relentless in its condemnation.

Why is a double standard tolerated?  This in itself is racism ... racism in reverse.

Janet

But Tamiko's, the terms "white church", etc., are understood by those on the other side of the racial divide.  You are argue that it should not be, but my guess is, that to a very real extent, in the South Side of Chicago, Harlem, Watts and other areas of great disadvantage, this is how they perceive the world.  Idealistically, it would be great if Dr. King's dream came true and we were all one happy family, but, in reality, there still exists a great racial divide in this country, and it appears to be deepening.  If we label it racism and let it go at that we fall short of recognizing the deep economic and class disparity that can indeed lead to alternative ideologies. After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?

Karl Marx used the plight of the "poor" to gain control of the masses under the smokescreen of "distributing" the wealth.

Name one Marxist regime where the "poor" have benefited.  Only the wealthy and the middle class were affected and ... any acquired wealth was not "distributed" ... it went to the line the pockets of the "powers that be" through force or ... through taxation.

Granted ... there is equality among the citizens of a Marxist regime ... equally poor.

Many "poor" of all races have risen above their humble beginnings ... took advantage of the opportunties afforded them under a "free" society and ... are now living the American dream.  Many "poor" of all races are not sitting in pews ... listening to a Marxist preacher rant about how they are somehow worthy of the fruits of what others have earned through hard work, risks and sacrifices.

Janet

I agree with all you said, however, my point was that people of color who are at a severe economic disadvantage probably don't see the world the same way.  Their experience, different from that of relative affluence, is fertile territory for such Marxist rants. At least, that is what I am getting from your many posts about Cone and Wright and Obama.  They emphasize the economic disparity and the victimization of the congregants and seek to effect change through a Marxist ideology.

[A's Fever]

"After all, isn't dire poverty the economic condition that inspired Marx in the first place?"

Didn't depression and the poverty of a nation inspire the "New Deal"? 

The WPA~

The Works Progress Administration (after 1939 Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest New Deal agency, employing millions of people and affecting most every locality, especially rural and western mountain populations.

...the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. The program built many public buildings, projects and roads and operated large arts, drama, media and literacy projects. It fed children and redistributed food, clothing and housing.

Until closed down by Congress and the war boom in 1943, the various programs of the WPA added up to the largest employment base in the country — indeed, the largest cluster of government employment opportunities in most states. Anyone who needed a job could become eligible for most of its jobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

Also Fascism -

Fascism is a government, faction, movement, or political philosophy that raises nationalism, and frequently race, above the individual and is characterized by a centralized autocratic state governed by a dictatorial head, stringent organization of the economy and society, and aggressive repression of opposition.[1] In addition to placing the interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or race, fascism seeks to achieve a national rebirth by promoting cults of unity, energy and purity.

Fascists opposed what they believe to be laissez-faire or quasi-laissez-faire economic policies dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression.[43] People of many different political stripes blamed laissez-faire capitalism for the Great Depression, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way [disambiguation needed]" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[44] Their policies manifested as a radical extension of government control over the economy without wholesale expropriation of the means of production. Fascist governments nationalized some key industries, managed their currencies and made some massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic planning measures.[45] Fascist governments instituted state-regulated allocation of resources, especially in the financial and raw materials sectors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Fascism_and_Religion

I have met many immigrants to the US who came because they perceived the US as the land of opportunity.  Many of them come from deep poverty that is unknown here.

They were given an opportunity and made the best of it.  They traded in the familiar for the unfamiliar.  They traveled great distances.  They made the transition from dirt poor economies to those of the lower, middle, and upper classes. 

What do the candidates see as the "American Dream"?  What future do they imagine for their children?  What future do they see for the United States? 

What is right with the United States?  How can we as a nation make it even better?

"Give me a fish and I eat for a day, teach me to fish and I eat for a lifetime." - Ancient Chinese Proverb

I understand this: all four of my grandparents were immigrants who made good lives here in the US through hard work and sacrifice.  And, while there have been many attempts to reduce poverty such as the New Deal, that does not change the historical fact that poverty was one of the things that inspired Marx to social action.

[Auntiem]

    And what is the cause of poverty!!!  This is not a third world country,  nor one with a caste system, have any of you thought about why a certain minority seems to remain in an impoverished situation.  Oprah rose out of it...so did Colin Powell, a son of  Jamaican Immigrants, raised in the 60's in one of the poorest, drug infested, crime ridden slums of the United States, the South Bronx....how did he do it....why was he and so many like him able to better themselves, while some cannot seem to stop criminal activity, drop out of school, have several babies by different fathers and remain on "the dole", or Welfare as it is called. And I am speaking of people who were born here, have no language barrier, have educational advantages waiting for them..... I have many successful African-American friends who have strong opinions on this, but I will not dare go there!!!![/u]

         It is NOT  genetic or descrimination or lack of opportunity.....

[Tamikosmom]

If Armstrong Williams was presently a candidate who was  running for the office of President of the United States and ... I were American ... he would be my candidate of choice when I consider the alternate choices ... Obama ... McCain.

By the way ... Mr. Williams is Black.

Janet

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"Armstrong Williams is a widely-syndicated columnist, CEO of the Graham Williams Group, and hosts the Armstrong Williams Show."

Sunday's Dirty Secret
By Armstrong Williams
Monday, March 17, 2008

Arriving in Washington DC during the 80's, my most difficult challenge was finding a church home. Having grown up in the Pentecostal and Methodist faith Sunday worship was a staple of my weekly routine. For almost 10 years I canvassed the nation's capitol seeking a church that would nourish my fleshly failings and remind me of what our creator expects of us as human beings. What was consistent in going from pulpit to pulpit was that ministers were more interested in political rhetoric, the endorsement of political candidates, and the denouncing of some government or community proposal, than the gospel. It was quite disheartening for many years knowing that ministers were not teaching or preaching the word of God, but that their sermons were becoming political rallies. I was stunned at the blame cast upon the White man, the racial divisive, and all the things that seemed to divide and separate us from our neighbor. Then in 1995 I attended First Baptist Church in DC where the Rev. Frank Tucker presided and my spirit finally found what it was seeking. I will never forget meeting with the Pastor prior to joining and expressing my feelings about what I was looking for in a church. I made it clear that my interest was in the word of God and not political rallies, condemnation of America, and various politicians occupying the pulpit on Sunday. He shared my concerns and promised that this wasn't the case at his church. Since being a member of Pastor Tucker's church for about 13 years, he's never disappointed my spiritual yearning. Throughout the years I've taken Whites, Muslims, Jews, and people of all walks of life to worship with me and they all have left feeling that they could join the pastor's congregation.

There are still pockets of so called black churches and mosque today that can identify with the Rev. Wright‘s lace-filled, anti-American, hypocritical sermons. During the 50's, 60's and 70's the black church was a place where blacks could gather and unite away from the harshness and brutality of racism and vicious hatred. It was a place where ministers could help their congregation express their anger, frustration, and America’s ungodliness towards their brethren. Many ministers during those tumultuous times were considered heroes and pillars of the community for they were preaching against an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. People like Jeremiah Wright are still preaching as though we’re in the 50’s or 60’s and are locked in this time warp. They refuse to elevate and celebrate the progress of America and how Presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign is evidence of that amazing paradigm shift.

It is impossible for Senator Barack Obama and his wife to have patterned Rev. Wright's church and not have embraced his teachings and vision of America. My minister does and has always had a profound impact on my outlook about life and strengthening my spirit to forgive the transgressions of this world and not to induce more hate and separation. I find it difficult to believe Senator Obama when he tells us that he was unaware of his Pastor's vicious message from the pulpit and that had he known there would have been condemnation.

Many black intellectuals are still angry for what they perceive as the continuous crippling effect of racism and slavery in America on their careers. The irony is that many of their children have embraced this country, finding success and prosperity, while their parents continue to allow their wounds to be nurtured in this hopeless mindset preached from the pulpit. Michelle Obama’s expression of how for the first time she was proud of America was indicative of the influence of her Pastor.

Senator Obama should admit to the fact that since campaigning he’s seen a different America. He must show that he rejects and repudiates this school of thinking.  Furthermore that no one should be a member of congregations and mosque that preach this hatred and conspiratorial thinking, which continuously emphasize the worst in our country and not the phenomenal progress made.

This past week was not an exemplary moment for the man who prided himself on integrity and honesty throughout this campaign.  The fact is the Senator has no plausible excuse for why he remained a member of Rev. Jeremiah's church. He and his family should have immediately left his congregation for the embrace of a church that teaches the bible rather than the alienation, lunacy, and outright mockery of Christian teachings.

It was impossible for my spirit to endure these churches, as can be evidenced by my negative descriptions of them. It makes no sense for someone in search of America’s promise and potential to worship in a place where a doctrine of hatred is the central theme. I was taught that church was a place of escape and rest, but I didn’t want someone who is supposed to be a religious leader feeding me poisonous information.

My reason for going to church has always been for a spiritual recharge, not more of the same; I deal with politics 24/6, and one day a week I get a chance to take a break from all that. I believe this to be healthy, and think it sad that I had to try so hard for so long to find a church that was able to provide the rest or Sabbath, mentioned in the Bible.

The day must come when churches (Black or otherwise that preach this hate speech) will return to the Word. No one should ever be forced to search for such a lengthy duration or give up and settle in a church that is unacceptable and pay the price that will eventually implode Senator Obama’s to date well run campaign.

http://krla870.townhall.com/columnists/ArmstrongWilliams/2008/03/17/sundays_dirty_secret

[Tamikosmom]

What is wrong with this picture when the two quotes are considered.

One quote makes me rejoice and ... the other ...

Janet

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Baby With Rare Tumor Born Twice, Now Healthy 4-Week-Old
Monday, June 09, 2008
Little Macie McCartney was welcomed into the world not once — but twice.

Four months into Keri McCartney's pregnancy, doctors reportedly noticed a tumor growing on the baby's tailbone.

Doctors discovered that the tumor was stealing blood from the fetus and weakening her heart. So, at 25 weeks, surgeons at Texas Children's Fetal Center cut into McCartney's abdomen in an effort to remove the life-threatening mass, according to a CBS News report.

More:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364500,00.html


Obama's Abortion Extremism
Wednesday, April 2, 2008

Obama has not made abortion rights the shouted refrain of his campaign, as other Democrats have done. He seems to realize that pro-choice enthusiasm is inconsistent with a reputation for post-partisanship.

But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

[WhiskeyGirl]

What is poverty?

Poverty (also called penury) is deprivation of those things that determine the quality of life, including food, clothing, shelter and safe drinking water, but also "intangibles" such as the opportunity to learn and to enjoy the respect of fellow citizens. ...

The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US$ (PPP) 1 per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day, estimating that "in 2001, 1.1 billion people had consumption levels below $1 a day and 2.7 billion lived on less than $2 a day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

There are many interesting things to read at this wiki article that help to answer the question, What is poverty?

In my mind, poverty is a child with one sweater covering a thin bony body, living in extreme heat by day, and extreme cold at night - a bloated stomach, no parents, no food, no education, no housing, no opportunity.

Do those advocating a Marxist philosophy take a vow of poverty?  Do they live as the common people they want to help? 

[A's Fever]

It doesn't matter what poverty is, or what the definition of poverty is.  What matters is that people perceive themselves or their group as having less than others.  IF I am getting Tamiko'sMom's quotes correctly, then the fear is that the far left as personified in Cone/Wright/Obama religion/ideology is going to exploit that perception of poverty and powerlessness to mobilize the group to elect Obama, who has a hidden Marxist agenda and intends to destroy white America's institutions in favor of black power.

[caesu]

for now it was said that Obama had a problem with blue collar worker vote.


so that doesn't fit into the theory that he has this Marxist agenda.

[Tamikosmom]

for now it was said that Obama had a problem with blue collar worker vote.


so that doesn't fit into the theory that he has this Marxist agenda.

I do not recognize too many words that have come out of Obama's mouth that reveal that he may embrace a Marxist ideology ... a left wing liberal ideology maybe but ... not a Marxist ideology.  However ... his relationships and associations with Marxist individuals and organizations over the past twenty years provides a window that will reveal his political leanings ... a window that many American's have chosen not to look through or ... deny what they are seeing if they are given a glance.

Think about caesu ... if Barack Obama ran for President of the United States under the Marxist banner and ... upheld all his Socialist/Marxists relationships/associations of the past twenty years ... would YOU be supporting him?

Janet

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Republicans prepare to take aim at Obama
Wednesday, January 9, 2008

But for former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was known as "the Hammer" on Capitol Hill, said Republicans need to start deconstructing Mr. Obama now.

"Somebody from our side needs to start talking about Obama today. He's a Marxist but a very smart one — he doesn't let anyone know it," said Mr. DeLay.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=1

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=2

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Obama: ‘I’m a Pretty Darned Good Politician’
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, April 16, 2008

... I’m a pretty darn good politician. And I can give a pretty good speech and I can connect and inspire the American people in ways that I think will become apparent.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/16/obama-im-a-pretty-darned-good-politician/

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Transcript: Rev. Jeremiah Wright speech to National Press Club
April 28, 2008

REV. WRIGHT: … We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected. Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability …

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-wrighttranscript-04282008,0,3593201.story?page=6

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Matthew 24
For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.

[Tamikosmom]

Senator Hagel is a Republican Senator.  If he has made a choice to cross the Party line and ... support Barack Obama in his bid for President of the United States ... then Hagel owes it to the Republicans who elected him to come clean and ... step down.

Isn't the freedom to choose without "fear" a blessing in a democracy.  The politicians or citizens of the Marxist regimes of the world are not afforded that right.  There is no opposition party ... I wonder why?

Janet

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GOP senator's wife donates to Obama
May 29, 2008

WASHINGTON—Sens. John McCain and Chuck Hagel have long been friends. Fellow Republicans and Vietnam War veterans, their Senate offices are just across the hall from each other.

more stories like thisBut at least during the presidential primary, Hagel's wife, Lilibet, is helping McCain's likely Democratic rival, Barack Obama.

According to Federal Election Commission records, Mrs. Hagel donated twice to Obama's campaign in February for a total contribution of $500. The contributions were first reported by the Washington Post

The contribution came a month before Sen. Hagel, a sharp GOP critic of the war in Iraq, appeared on ABC's "This Week" and declared that he and McCain have "pretty fundamental disagreements on the future of foreign policy."

But Mrs. Hagel is acting on her own, said Mike Buttry, Sen. Hagel's chief of staff. In fact, Mrs. Hagel has contributed to a Democrat before. Last August, she donated $250 to Niki Tsongas, a Democrat and widow of Sen. Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts who was running to fill a vacant House seat from the state.

"Mrs. Hagel is a private citizen who is entitled to decide who she supports and how she supports them," Buttry said in a statement. "She has admired Mrs. Tsongas for many years, going back to the time when she was married to Senator Tsongas."

He added: "Senator Hagel has not endorsed or supported any candidate in the presidential race."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/29/gop_senators_wife_donates_to_obama/

[caesu]

for now it was said that Obama had a problem with blue collar worker vote.


so that doesn't fit into the theory that he has this Marxist agenda.

I do not recognize too many words that have come out of Obama's mouth that reveal that he may embrace a Marxist ideology ... a left wing liberal ideology maybe but ... not a Marxist ideology.  However ... his relationships and associations with Marxist individuals and organizations over the past twenty years provides a window that will reveal his political leanings ... a window that many American's have chosen not to look through or ... deny what they are seeing if they are given a glance.

Think about caesu ... if Barack Obama ran for President of the United States under the Marxist banner and ... upheld all his Socialist/Marxists relationships/associations of the past twenty years ... would YOU be supporting him?

Janet

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Republicans prepare to take aim at Obama
Wednesday, January 9, 2008

But for former Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was known as "the Hammer" on Capitol Hill, said Republicans need to start deconstructing Mr. Obama now.

"Somebody from our side needs to start talking about Obama today. He's a Marxist but a very smart one — he doesn't let anyone know it," said Mr. DeLay.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=1

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/09/republicans-prepare-to-take-aim-at-obama/?page=2

i fully understand your position.
but i think and i hope you are proofed wrong.
you hope that too of course, because if all your suspicions are proofed to be true, this would be disastrous if he will go on and win the elections.

but i don't trust one word from Tom DeLay, because this man is a very corrupt and evil man.

and i haven't got a big problem with socialism, this worked and is working very well for countries ruled by Labour governments in Europe and Israel.

i prefer to listen to Obama's plans and speeches.

Wright, Cone and others are not in the ballot. he has denounced them and broken with that church.
i shouldn't read too much in those associations.
it's just political maneuvering to enlarge the electoral base, that's what all politicians unfortunately do.

if all your suspicions are true, you can be sure the McCain campaign will pick this up and expose Obama.
but they aren't doing that.
i only read these allegations in smear emails and on right wing copy-paste blogs with all the infamous out of context false quotes.

[Tamikosmom]

The is the liberal left of center and ... then there is the far-left Sociality/Marxist Left and Obviously Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) is not the latter.

Janet

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DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA) - CHICAGO BRANCH

Thursday, February 14, 2008
Change Obama can believe in: Socialism?
By Cliff Kincaid

Campaign workers for Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara.

But Obama has his own controversial connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based socialist group with ties to the Socialist International, access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.

Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/ss_politics_02_14.asp


DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA)
The Organization

We are socialists because WE REJECT AN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER SUSTAINED BY PRIVATE PROFIT, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

http://www.dsausa.org/about/index.html

[Tamikosmom]

Ohio Guv Won't Run with Obama
June 10, 2008 3:55 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis and John Santucci Report: Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland (D) was Shermanesque on Tuesday in saying that he would "absolutely not" be Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., running mate even if asked to join the Democratic ticket.

Asked on NPR's "All Things Considered" if he is auditioning to be Obama's running mate, Strickland said, "Absolutely not. If drafted I will not run, nominated I will not accept and if elected I will not serve.

So, I don’t know how more crystal clear I can be."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/oh-guv-shermane.html

[Tylergal]

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) _ Democratic Congressman Dan Boren says he will vote to nominate Senator Barack Obama as the party's presidential nominee but won't endorse him.
 
Boren says Obama is ``the most liberal senator'' in the Senate and his record doesn't reflect working in a bipartisan manner.
 
Boren also notes that Hillary Clinton won 66 percent of the vote in his district. Clinton has suspended her campaign.
 
But Boren says it will be a historic moment for the nation and he'll celebrate it when the party nominates Obama for president and supports a nominee who breaks the color barrier.
 
Congressman Boren, it's not what you do at the convention, it's what you do in that voting booth.  I think we know what you will do.

[Tamikosmom]

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) _ Democratic Congressman Dan Boren says he will vote to nominate Senator Barack Obama as the party's presidential nominee but won't endorse him.
 
Boren says Obama is ``the most liberal senator'' in the Senate and his record doesn't reflect working in a bipartisan manner.
 
Boren also notes that Hillary Clinton won 66 percent of the vote in his district. Clinton has suspended her campaign.
 
But Boren says it will be a historic moment for the nation and he'll celebrate it when the party nominates Obama for president and supports a nominee who breaks the color barrier.
 
Congressman Boren, it's not what you do at the convention, it's what you do in that voting booth.  I think we know what you will do.

Tylergal

Many Democrats feel the same way.  They are liberals but ... they are not embrace a Marxist ideology ... the ideology of the individuals and organizations that Obama has associated with throughout the past twenty years.

Even his church embraces a Marxist ideology as it's vision statement reveals when it endorses James Cone.

Janet
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THE FOUNDATION OF TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST (TUCC) - BARACK OBAMA’S CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS

… “The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.”

http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

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The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
April 2, 2008

While Black Liberation Theology is not main stream in most black churches, many pastors in Wright’s generation are burdened by (James) Cone’s categories which laid the foundation for many to embrace Marxism and a distorted self-image of the perpetual “victim.”

… In FOR MY PEOPLE, Cone explains that “the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are.”

More:
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php

[Auntiem]

What if someone substituted the following words for "white" in the theology of Obama's church?

black
Jew
Catholic
Mexican
American
Tutu
homosexual

Would that make the theology more palatable?

What happens to the minority view in any unification process?

      My church, the Catholic Church, embraces ALL of the above...our religion was founded on the tenets of Judaism and need I say Jesus was a Jew.

    Until recently I had NEVER even heard the expression Black Theology.......all races, colors and National origins are welcome and embraced !!!!!!!!!!