Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Nut44x4]

O/T  Klaas.......when you get a minute...Jeffrey M. Liepitz  [Body Found] please and thank you.

[Buckeye]

For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian.  The research I've done does not lead to AG at all. 

Exactly, Klaas.

This post alone rules her out, IMO.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

Colegio Arubano Yearbooks..Maybe Simian is in there?

http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/index.html
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/index.html

Didn't we, at one time, know the year KIA was inaugurated?  Haven't we been down this road before?  I'm getting deja vu.

[vms]

For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian.  The research I've done does not lead to AG at all. 

Exactly, Klaas.

This post alone rules her out, IMO.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

Colegio Arubano Yearbooks..Maybe Simian is in there?

http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/index.html
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/index.html

Didn't we, at one time, know the year KIA was inaugurated?  Haven't we been down this road before?  I'm getting deja vu.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

[Lala'sMom]

I tell you what....I will ask ArubaGirl myself...as if I haven't already done that before...but I am attempting to do it again.  Just for clarity.  We are getting sidetracked by this...again. Simian and Shango have their own thread..

[Rob]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

[AZSunny]

Hans Mos looks awful tall.

He is..I would say at least 6'4

What size shoe does he wear?   

[AZSunny]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

Rob,  Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??

[Lala'sMom]

Email done..let's wait and see what happens. 


Steve Croes is Dutch?

[texasmom]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

In the last thread, Finbar who started all of this said that we needed to look at the "a", we were told to search Solagnier+genaruba, that's where my info came from.  I'd already posted my thoughts on it being Steve Croes/uncle whose name has the "o" not the "a", although I do believe that I've read (somewhere in a transcript) that the relation to Rufo/Steve is through Rufo's wife's side of the family.  I swore off of this last night or very early this morning I should say, don't know why I keep trying.  And I'm not even sure this post makes sense, if it doesn't just pass on over it. 
 

[klaasend]

Email done..let's wait and see what happens. 


Steve Croes is Dutch?

Not Dutch.  I believe Steve's family was from Curacao. 

[BTgirl]

For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian.  The research I've done does not lead to AG at all. 

I haven't done research like Klaas has, but I also do NOT believe that AG was Simian. I still email with AG occasionally, and I find her to be a very honest and likable young woman. She has denied repeatedly that she is Siman, and I believe her denials. I agree with Lalas that this is not a productive path to follow.

[texasmom]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

Rob,  Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??

Sunny, I read Nancy Grace Transcript/Greta transcript last night about his arrest.  He was living with grandparents next door to uncle.  If a search was done at all it was not a thorough search, based on the length of time the police were there, etc. 
Here are some links if you would like to read what was said at the time:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

[Rob]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

Rob,  Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??

Hi AZ... didn't he live with grandmama? after his divorce? I think he did, but I could be wrong.

[Buckeye]

Hans Mos looks awful tall.

He is..I would say at least 6'4

What size shoe does he wear?   

 

[Rob]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

In the last thread, Finbar who started all of this said that we needed to look at the "a", we were told to search Solagnier+genaruba, that's where my info came from.  I'd already posted my thoughts on it being Steve Croes/uncle whose name has the "o" not the "a", although I do believe that I've read (somewhere in a transcript) that the relation to Rufo/Steve is through Rufo's wife's side of the family.  I swore off of this last night or very early this morning I should say, don't know why I keep trying.  And I'm not even sure this post makes sense, if it doesn't just pass on over it. 
 

Hi TM... good morning. Well, everyone is free to look at who they wish.. and that's up to each individual. I have never seen the "A"s involved anywhere. But to each his own.

[Lala'sMom]

Email done..let's wait and see what happens. 


Steve Croes is Dutch?

Not Dutch.  I believe Steve's family was from Curacao. 

I am confused then...I thought that was a Dutch genealogy site.  I really need to pay more attention. Sorry.

[Rob]

Email done..let's wait and see what happens. 


Steve Croes is Dutch?

Hi Lalas... better get your muffs ready... my email was filled with F bombs... lmao!!!

[Observer]

According to TJ Ward, Joran had access to the raq. ball center and access to a condo in that same complex. I doubt it but I wonder if he was talking about La Cabana? DId he confuse the 2 Raquetball clubs?
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WARD: Well, just to follow up with some of the leads, like we`re looking at today. I returned over there this morning and talked to the manager of the racquetball club, in regards to Van Der Sloot having access to a home somewhere in the area around the pond. And I`m still trying to confirm some additional information to see if this is true. - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html
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When they reach La Cabana, Satish puts in a DVD with a nude scene, Natalee says “Oh my God, what is that”.  Deepak says "Now she'll think we're perverts".  After a few minutes Joran tells Satish “Turn that thing off, she has had enough” (D 6/11)
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[klaasend]

Lala's maybe I missed the genealogy site you are referring to but I don't believe he's Dutch.

Rob - Steve Croes isn't Dutch is he?

[texasmom]

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian.

Rob,  Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??

Sorry, I think I had all the links linked together in my first post, so they wouldn't work! I will have a couple more cups of coffee before I post again.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html