Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[texasmom]

goodnight Hotping!

[GBMW]

*******, if Joran is in the loony bin, I would hope that the taxpayers are not paying for it... and it's putting a bigger kink in the Sloot's bank account!

maybe the haters should pass the love bowl for the 39th time.

Personally I think he's in Germany with Uncle Frans,Jan,Hans or whoever but that place in Utrecht has it all. They even have vocational training/career assisting for young men with past problems. He doesn't have to be in a lockup/loony bin there,but a short term type center where he interacts with people his age and psychologists. They may even have a drug addiction center also.
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I see Jan Van Der Sloot is a lead consultant for the Ministry of Defense (IT)

http://tinyurl.com/2leyzn

My colleague did call someone at my request (not Jorans family or police) but a friend of Joran, she got the information that he was a friend through a former classmate of Joran, to check if he was arrested. The friend didn't know anything of an arrest but said that he, of course, wouldn't be someone that would be contacted if that would have happened.

She did ask him if he knew where he was....and quote: 'He's in Germany; doesn't everybody know this already?" She wanted to ask more questions (of course ...) "Sorry I can't say anything, hope you understand...and I don't know a lot anyway...I've had only little MSN contact with him recently...he's got a lot on his mind and I don't know what to make of all of this either"

[mojo]

My colleague did call someone at my request (not Jorans family or police) but a friend of Joran, she got the information that he was a friend through a former classmate of Joran, to check if he was arrested. The friend didn't know anything of an arrest but said that he, of course, wouldn't be someone that would be contacted if that would have happened.

She did ask him if he knew where he was....and quote: 'He's in Germany; doesn't everybody know this already?" She wanted to ask more questions (of course ...) "Sorry I can't say anything, hope you understand...and I don't know a lot anyway...I've had only little MSN contact with him recently...he's got a lot on his mind and I don't know what to make of all of this either"

thanks for the update GBMW. i can imagine he has a lot on his mind. i've been trying to figure out some way that the family can recover from this and i see no way out. they won't come clean and even if they do play a waiting game - the cloud of suspicion will never leave them. joran has ruined so many lives and impacted many more negatively.

btw, jackb...you will notice that my "azz" is now covered thanks to klaas!! 

[mojo]

I am also concerned about the chain-of-evidence, especially in the light of Kyle's posts back at the beginning of this thread about how ALE sort of hovered over the Persistence during the finding of the cage.

Another thing, a little deeper, concerns me too.

Anyone else troubled at how readily the Dutch/Germans/Europeans seem to shunt their kids off to institutions that would be loosely described as being "mind-altering" facilities? These "farms" such as what Joran may be in... that kind of stuff is a little scary to me, both in what they do AND in the perceived "necessity" to have such facilities. Are the young people of Europe all THAT whacked-out and brain-fried from drugs, alcohol and associated "excesses", that they have to be wholesale institutionalized? That whole realm needs more research from us.

Rehabilitation of such offenders as Joran is, almost never works. The recidivism rate for sexual/substance abuse offenders is stratospheric. The only thing that can be done is to remove them from society where they cannot hurt innocent people.

i'm curious as to what evidence there is of dutch/german/europeans shunting their kids off to institutions as opposed to clear evidence of so many kids in the us being on ADHD and anti-depression drugs. can we cut the anti- "everyone but us" mentality? sheesh. it's offensive and hardly helpful.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning...

MORE ON GVC

If they do not have a poster’s name on them, they are mine.The tourist apparently contacted the FBI. The posts at the bottom are just that...posts that I found.

From the ‘Shango thread

P 256 …from Joran’s book translation

On Monday April 24th 2006, GVC is released. GVC had an alibi for the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. Apparently GVC wasn’t the "G" from Amsterdam with whom Natalee was in love.
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« Reply #1567 on: January 30, 2008, 06:35:59 PM »Yapperz   
 
GVC's nickname was "G" or "Gee". We saw it listed that way in some photos posted by a tourist who had met him at a bar.
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Prev. posted Feb.5th.

Here's the article about GVC...I just read at Riehlworld that Nat's friends had seen her talking to GVC see bottom of page.

Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.

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According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.

[Tibrogargan]

Another possible explanation for the differing shoe sizes :   

'Shoe-cam pervert' charged

Article from: The Courier-Mail.....David Earley.....March 20, 2008 06:43pm

A MAN who allegedly installed a mini surveillance camera in the toe of his Dunlop KT26 running shoes has been charged by police after a camera was spotted in a female public toilet.

After police were notified of the camera in an Ashmore toilet Thursday morning, they executed a search warrant at the man's Chevron Island home about 11am.

In the 50-year-old man's home police allege they found several small cameras, the camera-equipped Dunlop KT26 shoes, and a number of compact discs that allegedly contained footage of women that was recorded using the shoe camera.

It was reported that the man normally wears a size 9 shoe, but he needed to don a size 12 Dunlop KT26 to install his miniature camera in the toe.

The man is scheduled to appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on March 22 charged with observations or recordings in breach of privacy.

In the 32 years since the 1976 invention of the Dunlop KT26 shoe, it has been universally recognised as the cheapest legitimate running shoe on the market.

[jackb]

Well said Hotping! I don't understand how people can live with themselves either All it takes is one email/call to Natalee's Mom or Dad and they did some good and relieved there conscious a bit. Unfortunately like you I believe this is far more serious and dangerous for people to do that. The cards do have to fall and soon,there is no way around it for Natalee to get her Justice. That Government needs to be penalized in the worst way with a active American Boycott..Our Government really needs to do something since the Aruban and Dutch Governments refuse to do so.

It is probably known that every call to the US is probably monitored.  They know these people have an eye on everything they do.   jackb

[Buckeye]

mojo

I have no idea "The European" approach to kids.  I did volunteer for two years, at high school registration, in an upper middle class high school.  My job was to take and fill out Medical and medication histories.  I was shocked at the number of medicated kids.  I decided not to volunteer in the clinic because I was afraid the liability would be too high, not knowing for sure whether the illness was "legal" drug related.  Some of the antidepressants etc. were very new...add that to accutane and some of the other stuff..phew...

[GBMW]

Well said Hotping! I don't understand how people can live with themselves either All it takes is one email/call to Natalee's Mom or Dad and they did some good and relieved there conscious a bit. Unfortunately like you I believe this is far more serious and dangerous for people to do that. The cards do have to fall and soon,there is no way around it for Natalee to get her Justice. That Government needs to be penalized in the worst way with a active American Boycott..Our Government really needs to do something since the Aruban and Dutch Governments refuse to do so.

It is probably known that every call to the US is probably monitored.  They know these people have an eye on everything they do.   jackb

does anyone know if they're monitoring Jorans calls / internet at the moment? They must be allowed to do this right? One would guess he's in need of some strategytalks with some helpfull friends / daddy....and at the moment he can only do this through phonecalls / internet. In that sense it's weird Paulus didn't come over to Holland after the show. It would be normal for his dad to come over; and they would have privacy to talk....

[Buckeye]

This is for Mum or whoever might help.

I was reading old posts, last night, on RWV.  In May 2006 there was a Dutch poster, that only posted twice (I know because you could still roll over the name and see the email).
He said that it was well known that the Aruban secretary of Health (Bushi Wever)'s son was in dental surgery school (the only one being where Guido was arrested). He said that name was not common there and identified the picture posted (the one we know as Guido), as being correct. An Aruban poster (not sure of email because it was hotmail) responded that the name was common, on Aruba and yes, the secretary did have a son Guido Wever but this was a different Guido Wever.

Do we know for sure that Guido is Robert's son and not Bushi's?  Would explain Spong, the unsigned Arian letter, the quick removal from the island, etc?? 

Can't stay on today.  I'll check tonight if this interests anyone.

[Buckeye]

Well said Hotping! I don't understand how people can live with themselves either All it takes is one email/call to Natalee's Mom or Dad and they did some good and relieved there conscious a bit. Unfortunately like you I believe this is far more serious and dangerous for people to do that. The cards do have to fall and soon,there is no way around it for Natalee to get her Justice. That Government needs to be penalized in the worst way with a active American Boycott..Our Government really needs to do something since the Aruban and Dutch Governments refuse to do so.

It is probably known that every call to the US is probably monitored.  They know these people have an eye on everything they do.   jackb

does anyone know if they're monitoring Jorans calls / internet at the moment? They must be allowed to do this right? One would guess he's in need of some strategytalks with some helpfull friends / daddy....and at the moment he can only do this through phonecalls / internet. In that sense it's weird Paulus didn't come over to Holland after the show. It would be normal for his dad to come over; and they would have privacy to talk....

There was a question yesterday about his "suspect" status.  I guess the ability to monitor etc. is tied to whether he is a formal suspect, again.  I thought so because they did remove that computer from granny's house....but many feel he is not a "formal" suspect.   

[jackb]

Good Morning...

MORE ON GVC

If they do not have a poster’s name on them, they are mine.The tourist apparently contacted the FBI. The posts at the bottom are just that...posts that I found.

From the ‘Shango thread

P 256 …from Joran’s book translation

On Monday April 24th 2006, GVC is released. GVC had an alibi for the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. Apparently GVC wasn’t the "G" from Amsterdam with whom Natalee was in love.
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« Reply #1567 on: January 30, 2008, 06:35:59 PM »Yapperz   
 
GVC's nickname was "G" or "Gee". We saw it listed that way in some photos posted by a tourist who had met him at a bar.
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Prev. posted Feb.5th.

Here's the article about GVC...I just read at Riehlworld that Nat's friends had seen her talking to GVC see bottom of page.

Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.

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According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.

 

As you, your friend and I figure.  He had reason to be scared.  He is in this up to his bragging eyeballs.  He, no doubt has used his position to blindside tourists and Arubans alike.  That is what happens when you send half-raised young men and women into service that is meant for well-rounded, honest and mature people, just because of their connections.  These people should prove themselves just like everyone else who are competing for these positions.  No doubt his father turned a blind eye to what was going on until he as well should have to pay the penalty of irresponsible hiring practices.  It seems they have used their position of trust to ensnare and endanger people instead of assisting in emergencies.  They should, and hopefully will, be taken to account for their actions.  All of them.  It would seem they have used and abused the people on the island long enough and the tourists are in danger.       jackb

[MumInOhio]

This is for Mum or whoever might help.

I was reading old posts, last night, on RWV.  In May 2006 there was a Dutch poster, that only posted twice (I know because you could still roll over the name and see the email).
He said that it was well known that the Aruban secretary of Health (Bushi Wever)'s son was in dental surgery school (the only one being where Guido was arrested). He said that name was not common there and identified the picture posted (the one we know as Guido), as being correct. An Aruban poster (not sure of email because it was hotmail) responded that the name was common, on Aruba and yes, the secretary did have a son Guido Wever but this was a different Guido Wever.

Do we know for sure that Guido is Robert's son and not Bushi's?  Would explain Spong, the unsigned Arian letter, the quick removal from the island, etc?? 

Can't stay on today.  I'll check tonight if this interests anyone.

This was posted a couple of days ago, IIRC by *******, sorry if it was not. Now I had assumed this was 'our' guido, but the Cuba reference had me wondering. ( I didn't save the link and I think texasmom posted the link and ******* foun the Wever story)

I wonder if the other Guido Wever is actually Lorenzo Wever???? 


September 1, 2005

Son minister gets fined for threat

 ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant.  He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.

 There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever.  This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out.  Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever.  The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.

 When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained.  Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet.  According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict.  "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

 According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns.  Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration.  (Amigoe)

[GBMW]

Well said Hotping! I don't understand how people can live with themselves either All it takes is one email/call to Natalee's Mom or Dad and they did some good and relieved there conscious a bit. Unfortunately like you I believe this is far more serious and dangerous for people to do that. The cards do have to fall and soon,there is no way around it for Natalee to get her Justice. That Government needs to be penalized in the worst way with a active American Boycott..Our Government really needs to do something since the Aruban and Dutch Governments refuse to do so.

It is probably known that every call to the US is probably monitored.  They know these people have an eye on everything they do.   jackb

does anyone know if they're monitoring Jorans calls / internet at the moment? They must be allowed to do this right? One would guess he's in need of some strategytalks with some helpfull friends / daddy....and at the moment he can only do this through phonecalls / internet. In that sense it's weird Paulus didn't come over to Holland after the show. It would be normal for his dad to come over; and they would have privacy to talk....

There was a question yesterday about his "suspect" status.  I guess the ability to monitor etc. is tied to whether he is a formal suspect, again.  I thought so because they did remove that computer from granny's house....but many feel he is not a "formal" suspect.   

Officially / formally Joran is a suspect of murder. This has been stated by Hans Mos (we talked to him last week). And as far as I know; Joran has been a suspect of murder since the OM has seen the footage of Peter R. de Vries.

[MumInOhio]

Buckeye...I don't know if you remember, but we tried to sort out the Guido/Lorenzo Wever mess in the "Shango' thread. Just became more confusing as David Wever was added to the mix and an older Wever that worked at the HI, I think. His name happened to have both Lorenzo and David in it...LOL

I do recall that most of the confusion and mixing of names as well as to whom actually had the scratches came from Tito.

[MumInOhio]

One more on GVC ….

This, from Getagrip, caught my attention about GVC, as he was threatening to sue right after he was released. There were rumors of another arrest in the Netherlands when Guido was arrested in May 2006 that never happened.

His father was questioned early in the case and as of 12/17/2007 their house in Aruba was still for sale. It appears they left Aruba right after he was released. Last I looked the VCB website was still the same as the first time I looked at it.

I have included the link for getagrip, thanks getagrip, and the SM front page story.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/05/11/diario-geoffrey-van-cromvoirt-evaluating-whether-he-will-sue-for-damages-for-prejudice/


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/05/geoffrey-van-cromvoirt-evaluating_10.html

5.10.2006
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt evaluating whether he will sue for damages for prejudice
DIARIO Aruba
05/09/2006

AMSTERDAM - Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, in an interview with SBS 6 Actienieuws of Holland, said that he doesn’t have anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The young Dutch 19 year old came into the picture after the ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ program, which was recorded in Aruba, aired.

He could have seemed to be another person in the case. Ironically, van Cromvoirt had wanted to participate in the reenactment of the case along with his sister.
“I’ve always wanted to appear on television, but not in this way”. The Dutch youth was asked via telephone to go to the police station one week after ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ aired.

When he went to the police station, he was detained immediately. The accusations were rape and murder.

According to van Cromvoirt, police officers put him under a lot of pressure when he was detained.

“They said things that were making me crazy. They said that they would arrest my whole family. Things like that can make you crazy and that same night I went completely crazy. After they took away all my clothes and left me with only my underwear.”

This, according to the Dutch youth, who continued to say that they were afraid that he would hang himself.

He said that he would never do this, and that he slept in his underwear for two long days on a cement bed.

“Geoffrey’s detention caused a lot of harm to our family. My wife is very much in despair”. This, according to Geoffrey’s father, Willem van Cromvoirt. Officially, the Dutch youth is still a suspect in this case, but the father hopes that the case will be dismissed.

Now, family lawyers are evaluating the possibility of bringing a case for damages for prejudice.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 5/10/2006 04:33:00 PM   

[vms]

Why was the Aruban Govt crying about there Tourism right from the start? I mean murders happen most everywhere in the World to Americans except Aruba Nothing is more dispicable then lying and blaming the victim while hiding behind a corrupt govt or lawyers.
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Day to Day, June 10, 2005 · Officials fear the recent disappearance of Natalee Holloway -- the 18-year-old Alabama student who went missing in Aruba -- could affect tourism to the tropical island. The island's prime minister and a travel industry analyst offer their thoughts about security on Aruba, and the potential impact on the island's economy.

It must be the standard reaction for them...


Looking for - Willard (Bud) Larson
  Author: 20974  Category:(Missing) Created:(11/28/2000 8:40:00 PM)

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Bud Larson left Seattle to go to Aruba for a vacation on June 9, 1999. He checked into his hotel late that night and was missing the next day. All we know is that he left his room in the morning to go to the surf shop where he was going to rent his windsurfing equipment and when they didn't have what he was suppose to get, he went walking down the beach and that was the last he was seen. The police there know what has happened to him, but won't tell the family as "they just want this to go away" because it will hurt the tourism in that country.

He is listed on the missing persons list for Aruba and can be seen at

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html

Why we are looking for them:
We need to know what has happened to him.

 

[Lala'sMom]

Morning Monkeys.  Does anyone have coffee ready?

Before everyone decides that GVC is our elusive 5th suspect let's be certain we can tie all the loose ends into a neat little package.  We have tried to to this many times in the Shango thread with varying results. 

1. We have established, to some degree, that GVC met Natalee "earlier" in the week.
2. We have not established  that fact he was host to a party the night in question at his house....or did we?
3. Simian says Natalee met the 5th in the casino...have we established that yet?
4. Who provided the alibi....Simian refers to them as "others"...do we know this yet?
5. Why would Joran be so afraid of GVC?


Now, let's work on this in the Shango thread for a while and see what we find. TIA




Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:22 pm
This is not my theory. This is for real.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:41 pm
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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared sh*tless in a cell.
I have heard from Americans living in Aruba and and they think something completely different.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “there whole time”.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:34 am
He’s too afraid to confess.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix thongs up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:50 am
He’s afraid of the real killer. He has no way out.

[Destiny]

Good Moring Monkeys.

Now caught up with the rest of you...some new intersting thoughts to tumble around my monkey brain...Thanks to all for the *brain food*...

Destiny

[dennisintn]

Kyle,
Can you please explain to me what you had talked about the other day? What do you believe was found in the trap and are awaiting the results on? DNA? if so from what? Remains? Can you explain what your definition of remains are? bottom line...was it bones?

I'll do the best I can...
- The samples were recovered by Aruban divers on the 7th of Jan.  These samples include a fabric found inside the trap which was sent for a comparative analysis to the FBI.  However, the samples were also reportedly DNA tested. I heard there were remains from a source, who likely referred to DNA as remains, as he said there was DNA found.  However, it's rather ambiguous to me, but the take home message from the FBI is simply: they're not commenting on the case and the fabric wasn't Natalee's blouse.  I'm unaware of any bone found.
Hope that helps some. 
 

I am with ldstlou regarding what was or was not found in the cage.  Samples were recovered including fabric but not limited to fabric?  How can DNA be referred to as remains?  DNA would be on/in remains (skeletal or otherwise).  I can understand why the FBI would want to keep this info quiet at this time, hopefully working on a strong case against Joran.  I just can't get my mind around what exactly was found in the cage?!  At least the FBI is not denying nor confirming that the DNA/remains are Natalee.  Does anyone else have an opinion on this? 

  

i can imagine that the perpetrators are worrying a lot about what was found in the trap. wondering whether it was "their" trap or not.  let the suspense continue, keep adding more and more things for them to worry about, and ask questions about that might give them away.
dennisintn