Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[jackb]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

 

There are 70 members in that are (according to their stats) and it would be my guess that 2/3 or more of them are connected in one way or another to this.
Most places the lions represent something decent and helpful, but it seems some have hijacked that place and turned it into something questionable.  That would be about 46.2 people.  Wonder what that .2 person looks like (LOL.)  Anyway that is about the 36 mentioned in the shango riddles.  Someone is covering big time.  It is definite if we don't know for 100 percent sure.  jackb

[jackb]

Lala’s…You knew this would bring me out from lurking!

Have a great Easter weekend everyone!

FREDDY,FREDDY,FREDDY!   Cool and crazy guy….Locoman

from Lala's:
In order to be the 5th suspect you have to meet these criteria:

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. Relatives apparently interviewed. Friends interviewed.

2. He was the HOST of this party. See above.

3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. See above.

4. The people that provided the alibi are the "party goers". Also above

5. He has some contact with Natalee a few days before. He met her in the casino. More than likely…It was Freddy as well as Joran who tried to hit on the tourists. ‘If he would strike out 20 times…he would make out on the 21st.’ (Now where did I hear that 20 times before?)

6. The alibi worked for him.  ‘Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?’ It appears it did. He is not listed as a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

7. He met Natalee first before Joran did. Highly possible…while Joran was in school. He worked at the Marriott/Champions. Soul Beach Festival Beach parties at Moombas during the day.
                       ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...

See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.

MumInOhio, I wasn't thinking this morning when I made that post about it being Paulus.  It could very well be Freddy.  Freddy seems to slip on by like everything else in this case.

"Freddy needs to tell the truth"

 

I have the whole picture and it is Freddy.  Also I though everyone knew this about 2.l/2 years ago or so.   j/b

[jackb]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

 

There are 70 members in that are (according to their stats) and it would be my guess that 2/3 or more of them are connected in one way or another to this.
Most places the lions represent something decent and helpful, but it seems some have hijacked that place and turned it into something questionable.  That would be about 46.2 people.  Wonder what that .2 person looks like (LOL.)  Anyway that is about the 36 mentioned in the shango riddles.  Someone is covering big time.  It is definite if we don't know for 100 percent sure.  jackb

 

I mean 46 and he made simian the 47th for mocking him and trying to misdirect the case.  All that is wild.   j/b

[bleachedblack]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.

Aaahhhh OK...............I guess. Most of the time though it is encouraged to not make a statement ie about the statues with nothing at all to back it up. Lets just say with something, maybe one of the tiny pictures you alude...tends to lend credibility to what you post. OK heading out , back later.

[jackb]

jackb wrote;

His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.....

jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.

Aaahhhh OK...............I guess. Most of the time though it is encouraged to not make a statement ie about the statues with nothing at all to back it up. Lets just say with something, maybe one of the tiny pictures you alude...tends to lend credibility to what you post. OK heading out , back later.

 

By telling you where to find the information that you would need to check out anyway, I saved myself some time.  So since you are hopefully going to do this, you will know for sure.  j/b

[AZSunny]

 

[San]

 

[ala_gunslinger]

 

Excuse me San,  I am back for now.  I'll take care of all that involves 'fire'.  Just ask Klaas to forward the picture of my latest restoration project.

So, I got your back.

[ala_gunslinger]

Jack, we should talk.

[San]

 

Excuse me San,  I am back for now.  I'll take care of all that involves 'fire'.  Just ask Klaas to forward the picture of my latest restoration project.

So, I got your back.

Thanks for having my back gunslinger.  You always catch me when I bring my guns out.

[ala_gunslinger]

 

Excuse me San,  I am back for now.  I'll take care of all that involves 'fire'.  Just ask Klaas to forward the picture of my latest restoration project.

So, I got your back.

Thanks for having my back gunslinger.  You always catch me when I bring my guns out.

That's right, don't get em out unless you are gonna use em or clean em (or show em to somebody else, but that usually leads to usin em!)

[AZSunny]

[Buckeye]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

[wreck]

Did I miss something??? There was about a 2 hour "gap" in posts -- then everyone is "locked and loaded"?????

[Destiny]

1. The 5th suspect was at a party of some kind at his house. I have no evidence that he was at his home on the night in question with some friends over. Remember, it was a simple party...at his house.
2. He was the HOST of this party. If he had a party, I would assume he was the host, right?
3. The people at this party established his alibi for him saying he never left. We would need to know who was there...we have no idea about GVC.

Unless, of course... Natalee was taken to this party and met her demise there -- This has been a long-standing theory for the RWV days and has NEVER been disproved.

I agree...that is a theory that has indeed been long standing.  And believe it or not Capslock has resurrected it recently with his theories.  So you are correct, I just did not put it in there at the time.  It also opens a whole other can of worms. LOL

Well Lala's...in my way-back machine...it opens the cans of worms of...the PIMPS *procuring* for the Elders...hmmmmmmm
Then I end up spinning circles in the Lions Den...

 

There are 70 members in that are (according to their stats) and it would be my guess that 2/3 or more of them are connected in one way or another to this.
Most places the lions represent something decent and helpful, but it seems some have hijacked that place and turned it into something questionable.  That would be about 46.2 people.  Wonder what that .2 person looks like (LOL.)  Anyway that is about the 36 mentioned in the shango riddles.  Someone is covering big time.  It is definite if we don't know for 100 percent sure.  jackb

Yes Jack...just got back in from meetings

This brings me once again...full circle...to this:

Am convinced, that *someone*... of all those involved...has a vid. of Natalee...it is meant for only *certain* eyes...the ones who can *afford* to view it...members only...

[JE]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

[nonesuche]

San's locked and loaded????  YIKES !!!!!!!!

I can never catch up now, being on the road every week precludes that now. Anyway I was stuck on the tarmac for several hours (do not fly american airlines) last night, sitting next to a french-american. You talk about many things (beside how much american is delayed) and the conversation turned to what interested me  and the internet, Natalee then became a topic. It was very enlightening for he lives in the US half of the year and Paris the other half. I'll summarize what he shared with me, I have no way to validate this but......I did think of Dilbart as I conversed with this french-american gentleman who is so much nicer than Dilbart   

He said that everyone in Europe is well aware of Joran's "criminal bent" and his "decadent lifestyle". When I asked him to define decadent well it was  unrepeatable here. Europe is so different than the US in that way, we forget that at times, much more liberal and even intrigued by decadence out in the open. He said that his father isn't so powerful himself but attached to those like Rudy Croes that are - so much so that if Paulus falls, the domino effect could begin.

I did ask him what he thought about the loss of Natalee, whether he felt it was an abominable act. He said yes for he said in Europe, a "virginal" girl is respected for her choices by educated society. He went on to say that only in a 'barbaric' place like Aruba are women still treated like "tools" to be used however one wants.

I know this isn't anything new but I did find it interesting to hear his perspective. We also exchanged email addresses, he's heading back to Paris soon but promised to visit some of the sites he knows of, some of which he said he feels could have posts that reveal more about Joran's life in Holland. He also said Peter de Vries isn't a blowhard at all, that he is a respected reporter - found that significant too.

[Buckeye]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

[klaasend]

San's locked and loaded????  YIKES !!!!!!!!

I can never catch up now, being on the road every week precludes that now. Anyway I was stuck on the tarmac for several hours (do not fly american airlines) last night, sitting next to a french-american. You talk about many things (beside how much american is delayed) and the conversation turned to what interested me  and the internet, Natalee then became a topic. It was very enlightening for he lives in the US half of the year and Paris the other half. I'll summarize what he shared with me, I have no way to validate this but......I did think of Dilbart as I conversed with this french-american gentleman who is so much nicer than Dilbart   

He said that everyone in Europe is well aware of Joran's "criminal bent" and his "decadent lifestyle". When I asked him to define decadent well it was  unrepeatable here. Europe is so different than the US in that way, we forget that at times, much more liberal and even intrigued by decadence out in the open. He said that his father isn't so powerful himself but attached to those like Rudy Croes that are - so much so that if Paulus falls, the domino effect could begin.

I did ask him what he thought about the loss of Natalee, whether he felt it was an abominable act. He said yes for he said in Europe, a "virginal" girl is respected for her choices by educated society. He went on to say that only in a 'barbaric' place like Aruba are women still treated like "tools" to be used however one wants.

I know this isn't anything new but I did find it interesting to hear his perspective. We also exchanged email addresses, he's heading back to Paris soon but promised to visit some of the sites he knows of, some of which he said he feels could have posts that reveal more about Joran's life in Holland. He also said Peter de Vries isn't a blowhard at all, that he is a respected reporter - found that significant too.

Nonesuche - great to see you!  Very interresting conversation you  had with him!  Please post any links to websites if you find them so we can attempt to translate the posts that might have to do with Joran in the NL.

I agree about Peter de Vries.  Funny how all the RU Dutch posters loved him until Peter decided Joran was guilty.

[Tibrogargan]

Happy Easter to all Monkeys.

That is an interesting post, None - we tend to think interest in the case is restricted to people on these blogs, the US media and now the Netherlands (Aruba would prefer not to be interested) so it is heartening to see the story has spread to another country in Europe and hopefully even further widespread.

Also further to the post by Silverfox on the hijack of this site - I made several attempts to access SM for some late evening browsing on 21 March around 9 pm AEDST and kept getting the "Unable to access this Server" message.  May be relevant.