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« Reply #720 on: March 22, 2008, 11:58:29 AM »

This is why I say shoot everyone and call it a day and in my mind I can deal with this and lose no sleep at all because we are getting rid of monsters who no longer deserve to live on this earth.

I agree. How many times have you heard after a person was apprehended a family member say - well, he has some screws loose. Very rarely do you hear a person was totally normal. If you hear that - it's time to evaluate the family member

Enter Anita Van der Sloot 

  he's just a normal boy. With a history of drugging and raping girls, stealing, lying to everyone, pursing in casinos, drinking with a VIP card, and bigotry. Sooooooo delicious.

I wonder how someone would qualify as a "problem child"?
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« Reply #721 on: March 22, 2008, 11:58:44 AM »


I think they haven't done that to paulus because paulus can expose the true underbelly of aruba....money laundering,profits from illegal drug trade and supplying clean monies to other countries that are against the USA.Beth mentions this in her book.

Hi Karma,
but it's all been out there for a while now. Unless, of course, there is something not yet discovered. Aruba has everything a criminal cherishes. I can't imagine there is one more vice we haven't found that would make Aruba even more embarrassed. JMO
Not Shango/Simian but an interresting post from back in April 2006 on the front page of SM (the forum was down at the time):




Paulus had been told he would not be a judge.  What could he possibly do to insure his status with the judiciary, with the "elders"?  Then something bad happened..... 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #722 on: March 22, 2008, 12:01:52 PM »

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

It was most definetly that Thursday or Friday at C&C that she encountered GVC..Maybe Friday because they went to C&C that night(Cain PV) On Saturday May 28th Natalee had to be carried back to her hotel by Kevin Brodie.(Broughton PV)

Well!  That shot my idea to heck. LOL...Thanks.
 

Does GCV's folks know he goes to C&C?  My, my that is where those other bad boys hang out.  Wonder if he takes his blanket and pillow?  So, according to him and his parents, he does not know the others, but know DJoc. Croes?  Yeah, spin me some more.  It was a group effort.  He probably followed the group and got in on the action to prove a point.   Jack b
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« Reply #723 on: March 22, 2008, 12:02:24 PM »

Also, Maybe Janet has the statement from Beth where she said - "No, that's no him, that's an old man."

I believe this is said because someone (from the Authorities) was confused about who they were looking for. The person pointing at Paulus must have seen him on the casino tape thought they were actually looking for Paulus and NOT Joran at that point.

I believe this is a quote from an interview with Jug (sorry, no link handy).  They had viewed the casino tapes, and when they arrived at the VDS compound and PVDS came out, Beth exclaimed something like "that's him" to which Jug replied something like "that can't be him, that's an old man."  The purpose was to get a picture of Joran, but I have to wonder why anyone would remember PVDS at that point in time.
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« Reply #724 on: March 22, 2008, 12:02:54 PM »

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« Reply #725 on: March 22, 2008, 12:20:41 PM »

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« Reply #726 on: March 22, 2008, 12:22:24 PM »


I think they haven't done that to paulus because paulus can expose the true underbelly of aruba....money laundering,profits from illegal drug trade and supplying clean monies to other countries that are against the USA.Beth mentions this in her book.

Hi Karma,
but it's all been out there for a while now. Unless, of course, there is something not yet discovered. Aruba has everything a criminal cherishes. I can't imagine there is one more vice we haven't found that would make Aruba even more embarrassed. JMO
I just want to see the US get involved....get really involved.I feel disappointed by my own country......I would love to see them ride in like cowboys and shake loose a few people in aruba.IF they cannot do that then call for an official boycott of that rotten island,maybe then aruba will post their REAL crime stats on our States website.
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« Reply #727 on: March 22, 2008, 12:22:37 PM »

Even if there are a ton of others involved, I believe the majority of the people following the case would gladly accept Paulus, Joran, and the Kalpoe Bros are the guilty parasites.

Everyone could move on, Aruba could begin luring a new group of unsuspecting gullible tourists to their hellhole and everyone would be placated.

If it ever got to a trial and Joran started naming names - so what - he always lies anyway. I don't believe anyone would be sweating more than Paulus.
 

They are the main ones plus GVC I feel.  I have my own reasons, some of which I have posted.  Those in the justice departments and LE who have failed to prosecute because of their own perverted lusts, etc., should be cleaned out.  They should NEVER be allowed into positions of authority again.  They have cost that island its dignity, brought shame, disgrace and poverty to many who do not deserve it.  I hope all the good people leave and the island just falls into the ocean to cleanse it.  It is sad how over the years good and decent people have tried to raise their families there, no doubt, and due to the lax attitudes of men that their kids have begun the rot that kills their souls.  Some of those people probably went there to have an opportunity for employment and their children became a part of the lax society that ate up their values.  I am sorry for those who have not faired well and became a sacrifice to those who have no soul.  Here in America we should be thankful we have the opportunity to protest and seek justice.  There on that island they are monitored just like being under a dictatorship and have the such fear of everyone around them that LYING seems their only protection.   Jack b
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« Reply #728 on: March 22, 2008, 12:32:58 PM »

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

It was most definetly that Thursday or Friday at C&C that she encountered GVC..Maybe Friday because they went to C&C that night(Cain PV) On Saturday May 28th Natalee had to be carried back to her hotel by Kevin Brodie.(Broughton PV)

Well!  That shot my idea to heck. LOL...Thanks.
 

Does GCV's folks know he goes to C&C?  My, my that is where those other bad boys hang out.  Wonder if he takes his blanket and pillow?  So, according to him and his parents, he does not know the others, but know DJoc. Croes?  Yeah, spin me some more.  It was a group effort.  He probably followed the group and got in on the action to prove a point.   Jack b

I wonder who of the island elite may have had children employed by the security company owned by GVC's family?  It seems like they had many operations, but focus was on VBT.  How many VBT teams worked the night shift?  In what areas? 
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« Reply #729 on: March 22, 2008, 12:39:06 PM »

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

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The Gathering - VDS' Residence

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DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


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August 31, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

 
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml


Guildo Wever - Suspicions

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May 22, 2006


Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
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July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/
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« Reply #730 on: March 22, 2008, 12:45:52 PM »

Have a good day Monkeys.

Cousin and wife visiting from Alberta are still sleeping.  They arrived  late last night and ... were wiped ... lots of snow in the Rockies.  A twelve hour trip took almost eighteen hours.

I guess the Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding dinner I had prepared will be served as left overs tonight.

 

I am so thankful for my microwave.

Klaas ... bring your coffeemaker into your temporary computer room ... shut the door and ... make the world go away while the construction on your foundation is going on.  Maybe hubby will open the door slightly and pass your meals to you.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

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« Reply #731 on: March 22, 2008, 12:49:40 PM »

Klaas, Dugga,
Were you doing maintenance on the server around 2:20 this morning?

I don't do anything with the server.  Best to email Dugga with questions about that:

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Thanks Klaas,
I have emailed Dugga.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #732 on: March 22, 2008, 12:51:05 PM »

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

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I have always felt that there are distinct events that need to be considered.  Not the same set of players for all events.  I've always wondered about the "see that shit" comment from the van conversation.  Did some one write vile things on her unconscious body?  That seemed to be quite common in rape/filming as noted in court cases of young people at around the same time.  It seemed to be the "pimp" thing to do.  An accidental dead body is one thing, but to find it covered in graffiti and other evidence is another.  mo
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« Reply #733 on: March 22, 2008, 12:53:27 PM »


I think they haven't done that to paulus because paulus can expose the true underbelly of aruba....money laundering,profits from illegal drug trade and supplying clean monies to other countries that are against the USA.Beth mentions this in her book.

Hi Karma,
but it's all been out there for a while now. Unless, of course, there is something not yet discovered. Aruba has everything a criminal cherishes. I can't imagine there is one more vice we haven't found that would make Aruba even more embarrassed. JMO
Not Shango/Simian but an interresting post from back in April 2006 on the front page of SM (the forum was down at the time):




Paulus had been told he would not be a judge.  What could he possibly do to insure his status with the judiciary, with the "elders"?  Then something bad happened..... 

 

hen I guess it would not suprise many to know that the Cromvroits were in charge of the visibility teams that include some LE?  They worked hand in hand with LE.  Shango mentions "The Great House." in some of his sayings.  It would not surprise me to know that this above is true, in the least.  It would fall in line with what I perceive as the truth.  No, I do not believe it would help just to convict the young perps and the father, as that would still leave the islanders holding the bag and dealing with the pieces of riff-raff they have had to contend with.  The house needs to be cleaned and sanitized.  Maybe it would somehow help to know that this young girl, most likely a virgin was not sacrificed for a few, but became the cause of the island becoming free from the filthy tyranny that has overtaken it.  Yes, I want to see she gets some credit for living a good and decent life and leaving behind something that she would have been working to achieve in life.  She deserves as much.  Maybe their own gods became angry with them because they even knew she did not know mankind in the Biblical sense.  Our God, the Alpha and Omega will prevail in this justice and those people who did this will never be able to operate or be trusted in the least.  This will go on until they are weakened and have to abandon their posts.  Their filth and lies will destroy them as well as what they have built at the expense of the weakness of others.  They are vultures and worse.      Jack blue
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« Reply #734 on: March 22, 2008, 12:53:59 PM »

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

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I agree with most of this.

Now I bring the phone call in again and everyone will get pissed but guess what this is what I believe so I will say it.  Natalee got a phone call off.  They realized she got this call off and all hell broke lose.  ALL OF THEM ARE IN TROUBLE if she gets away.  So Joran goes bezerk and does Guido help his friend.  Guido looks like a little nasty @#%$.  In fact they are all nasty rapists.

We have all questioned why Sander lost his phone.  Was this a lie to make people get off the track of whose phone was really used.  Whose phone did Natalee use.  I say she was at the Sloot dump when she got access to a phone.  Why was Paulus using Anita's phone.
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« Reply #735 on: March 22, 2008, 12:55:19 PM »

Have a good day Monkeys.

Cousin and wife visiting from Alberta are still sleeping.  They arrived  late last night and ... were wiped ... lots of snow in the Rockies.  A twelve hour trip took almost eighteen hours.

I guess the Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding dinner I had prepared will be served as left overs tonight.

 

I am so thankful for my microwave.

Klaas ... bring your coffeemaker into your temporary computer room ... shut the door and ... make the world go away while the construction on your foundation is going on.  Maybe hubby will open the door slightly and pass your meals to you.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
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Have a great visit with your family, Janet!  Poor Klaas....construction is no fun.
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« Reply #736 on: March 22, 2008, 01:07:06 PM »

I'm not sure if this was posted already but I just re found it and we were talking about this a day or so ago.
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« Reply #737 on: March 22, 2008, 01:12:59 PM »

Also, Maybe Janet has the statement from Beth where she said - "No, that's no him, that's an old man."

I believe this is said because someone (from the Authorities) was confused about who they were looking for. The person pointing at Paulus must have seen him on the casino tape thought they were actually looking for Paulus and NOT Joran at that point.

I believe this is a quote from an interview with Jug (sorry, no link handy).  They had viewed the casino tapes, and when they arrived at the VDS compound and PVDS came out, Beth exclaimed something like "that's him" to which Jug replied something like "that can't be him, that's an old man."  The purpose was to get a picture of Joran, but I have to wonder why anyone would remember PVDS at that point in time.
 

All that was is:  She was excited someone was finally coming out.  She did not probably know who was coming out or if Joran had his own pad, but that someone was coming out.  Most women would exclaim, "looks he's coming out," not meaning anyone specifically.  She was just excited.
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« Reply #738 on: March 22, 2008, 01:26:12 PM »

Also, Maybe Janet has the statement from Beth where she said - "No, that's no him, that's an old man."

I believe this is said because someone (from the Authorities) was confused about who they were looking for. The person pointing at Paulus must have seen him on the casino tape thought they were actually looking for Paulus and NOT Joran at that point.

I believe this is a quote from an interview with Jug (sorry, no link handy).  They had viewed the casino tapes, and when they arrived at the VDS compound and PVDS came out, Beth exclaimed something like "that's him" to which Jug replied something like "that can't be him, that's an old man."  The purpose was to get a picture of Joran, but I have to wonder why anyone would remember PVDS at that point in time.

 

All that was is:  She was excited someone was finally coming out.  She did not probably know who was coming out or if Joran had his own pad, but that someone was coming out.  Most women would exclaim, "looks he's coming out," not meaning anyone specifically.  She was just excited.
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I agree Jack.

Janet

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J. TWITTY: ... We go in and sit there and wait about 15 minutes out in the parking lot. Finally the police officers come out. We go to his house, which is maybe a mile away from the police station. The police pull up to his house, turn the lights on, you know, shine the spotlight, and about 15 minutes later here comes a gentleman walking out to the fence.

Beth goes, "There he is." I said, "Beth, that`s not him, that`s a 45- year-old man."

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« Reply #739 on: March 22, 2008, 02:17:32 PM »

I sound like a broken record -- but, our FBI KNOWS. THEY DO NOT COMMENT ON ANYTHING!  (which is good)
I still think their "inaction" is really a tool to ferret out ALL those involved. It's better for them to not "tip their hand."
I still think it is "odd" that Beth didn't seem bothered that "The Persistence" went home.
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