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« Reply #820 on: March 24, 2008, 11:20:52 AM »


The 5th person has an alibi...so tight...so tight. Remember?  If Paulus did not have one..then it can not be him...just saying...don't throw things in my direction.  It's your words...not mine.   

Acccckkkkkkkkkkk!!!!....am heading off for the day...so, am tossing this on the fire....The 5th person has an alibi...so tight...so tight...I would even consider...*Anita*....the stories of who went where with her...don't add up...carry on Monkeys Wink


I'm with you on this Destiny! 

Paulus, Anita and the 2 younger bros were all gone -- Paulus flew home that fateful Sunday.....

Then we have Paulus being home all along -- with the 2 younger bros.......the reason why Paulus had to leave the casino......

And where were these young boys when Paulus left his home in the middle of the night for several hours when Beth and Jug arrived?? Where were the younger boys then?? And why wasn't Paulus concerned at all about leaving them alone. He NEVER mentions them.


lala's -- one of the thoughts I've been mulling in recently weeks (although not having any time to post and share and get smarter monkey's thoughts)

Paulus's '2 singing cards' that were 'up his sleeve' and the 'alibi that was so tight'.....
Valentjin and Sebastian 

Also -- imo -- 'party at his home' may not be as 'literal' as we are taking it.

jmo.

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Sharon and Destiny...I have to agree with You it is really strange that Paulus even says that Val is the one that woke Him up when Beth and Jug arrived that first night...now how could Val wake Him up if Val was in Holland with Anita....So were the boys at home or were the boys and Anita at home or in Holland.... when Natalee was there the morning of May 30....none of Paulus' story adds up..His alibi is not airtight...
 

It is likely that he and the whole family, or at least he got in earlier in the week, as that old sweat hog would have jet lag and would not be out so ready to bar hop, then go home to "babysit" and entertain company that was staying over.  So it boggles my mind what this busy, busy  man would leave his company to go out unless they were at home waiting at home for him and Joran to provide the entertainment.   Jack b
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« Reply #821 on: March 24, 2008, 11:57:26 AM »

  Wasn't the headmaster of Joran's school transferred to another country shortly after Natalee's disappearance??

   And my BIG question has always been why can't the Air Line be  checked as to how many Sloots returned....one or three???  wasn't it "confirmed" that the two boy were on the plane????  How can air line information disappear???

  And BTW, if it were my kids, when they were in their early teens, they would have been OUTSIDE when numerous cars, police cars amongst them, roared up to our home!

  

It was posted long ago that the headmaster was either reassigned to another location, or left on his own to work in another country, iirc...I haven't taken the time to research this.

WidgetTheMidget, a long time monkey, posted that 3 vds's were on the plane on 6/1/05, more than once.  He hasn't posted here since early June, 2007, and within the posts he mentions Anita's Aunt Emma was with her, but it was not clear if she was on the plane or just with her in the NL.  I am not sure if there was a document before the crashes...sometimes you think you remember something, but can't swear to it. 

I'm not so sure my sons would be outside with a crowd of strangers, police, etc.  It would be wise to keep them indoors but with an adult...but in a foreign country with their customs, who knows.

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« Reply #822 on: March 24, 2008, 12:09:12 PM »

Same to ya, Rob!

Thanks.

Thanks for doing all you do to keep us informed.  Where would be without your You Tubes? 

You're the best!
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« Reply #823 on: March 24, 2008, 12:11:25 PM »

Hi everyone, hereby a post from a friend of mine she made last night on RU (on my nic). Had some question / remarks about it; so under her post I pasted some more info to explain some things....hope you all understand Wink


Should be free? No evidence doesn't mean he didn't have anything to do with it. And if he did have something to do with this he shouldn't be able to get away with it. Proof or no proof. It's just right & wrong.
I know it doesn't work that way according to the law...I'm just thinking as a human being. And evidence doesn't automatically mean a conviction either.

I've only been on this forum recently. The fact is I've met Joran a couple of times. A friend of mine lived near him. One day last summer Joran and his friends / housemates were sitting in the backyard and he was speaking about girls in a rude manner. Her grandparents were coming over and she didn't know what to do. It was a hot day & of course her grandparents wanted to sit outside. So I went over and sat with them. In an instant his way of talking changed...charming mode set in. Later I've met him in clubs in Arnhem a couple of times. As a real player the fact that I wasn't interested got his attention of course. After a while he got the message and left me alone.

And I will say this; I found him to be a nice guy. Joran has a great sense of humour (well of course that would depend on your own sense of humour) and is very likeable; easygoing. But he thinks the world evolves around him and if things don't go the way he wants it....well watch out. And what bothered me the most: he doesn't have a lot of respect (if any for most girls) for girls. His nicknames loverboy / player do him credit.

So from my own experience with the guy: I didn't want to date him or be friends with him. And even without Natalee Holloway case in the back of my mind that wouldn't be any different I believe (being friends; dating such a player is a no go in every way for me). Although I can't know this for sure of course.

Some people give statements about him as if they know him...there is a girl that is his online friend that posts here a lot. I've read some of her posts (I think she even started this poll....I'm not sure); and my advice: be carefull; in real life he seems to be a bit different than the way you post about him here.




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Still can't help but wonder why you never mentioned that information at SM, especially since that seems to be your home board...I would think that would have added greatly to your discussion there.

Oh well...just one of those things I suppose.

My reaction:

Well it was her that met him and I didn't know if she wanted me to post that information and it's only since a while that I started posting at this and the SM forum. And I did / do think it's better for her to tell about her encounters with Joran than the story coming from me; it did cross my mind to ask her to post at SM or RU but it just hadn't come up yet.

And right now, after reading some of the replies / reactions, I'm glad I didn't post anything on behalf of her sooner and she got to tell it herself yesterday.

When she was at my house yesterday this forum was open on my computer and she just asked if she could post something with my log in. The approval (if she would have applied for an account) wouldn't have gone throught in a couple of hours (I thought; because of Easter and the timedifference) so I said; sure you can post under my nic.

Hope that answers your question a bit? I think most people people on SM also read here? I'm not sure though...otherwise I will post her posts also on SM.
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« Reply #824 on: March 24, 2008, 12:40:50 PM »

Hi everyone, hereby a post from a friend of mine she made last night on RU (on my nic). Had some question / remarks about it; so under her post I pasted some more info to explain some things....hope you all understand Wink


Should be free? No evidence doesn't mean he didn't have anything to do with it. And if he did have something to do with this he shouldn't be able to get away with it. Proof or no proof. It's just right & wrong.
I know it doesn't work that way according to the law...I'm just thinking as a human being. And evidence doesn't automatically mean a conviction either.

I've only been on this forum recently. The fact is I've met Joran a couple of times. A friend of mine lived near him. One day last summer Joran and his friends / housemates were sitting in the backyard and he was speaking about girls in a rude manner. Her grandparents were coming over and she didn't know what to do. It was a hot day & of course her grandparents wanted to sit outside. So I went over and sat with them. In an instant his way of talking changed...charming mode set in. Later I've met him in clubs in Arnhem a couple of times. As a real player the fact that I wasn't interested got his attention of course. After a while he got the message and left me alone.

And I will say this; I found him to be a nice guy. Joran has a great sense of humour (well of course that would depend on your own sense of humour) and is very likeable; easygoing. But he thinks the world evolves around him and if things don't go the way he wants it....well watch out. And what bothered me the most: he doesn't have a lot of respect (if any for most girls) for girls. His nicknames loverboy / player do him credit.

So from my own experience with the guy: I didn't want to date him or be friends with him. And even without Natalee Holloway case in the back of my mind that wouldn't be any different I believe (being friends; dating such a player is a no go in every way for me). Although I can't know this for sure of course.

Some people give statements about him as if they know him...there is a girl that is his online friend that posts here a lot. I've read some of her posts (I think she even started this poll....I'm not sure); and my advice: be carefull; in real life he seems to be a bit different than the way you post about him here.




prolific wrote:


Still can't help but wonder why you never mentioned that information at SM, especially since that seems to be your home board...I would think that would have added greatly to your discussion there.

Oh well...just one of those things I suppose.

My reaction:

Well it was her that met him and I didn't know if she wanted me to post that information and it's only since a while that I started posting at this and the SM forum. And I did / do think it's better for her to tell about her encounters with Joran than the story coming from me; it did cross my mind to ask her to post at SM or RU but it just hadn't come up yet.

And right now, after reading some of the replies / reactions, I'm glad I didn't post anything on behalf of her sooner and she got to tell it herself yesterday.

When she was at my house yesterday this forum was open on my computer and she just asked if she could post something with my log in. The approval (if she would have applied for an account) wouldn't have gone throught in a couple of hours (I thought; because of Easter and the timedifference) so I said; sure you can post under my nic.

Hope that answers your question a bit? I think most people people on SM also read here? I'm not sure though...otherwise I will post her posts also on SM.

Wondering if your friend has plans to register here, or elsewhere after posting under your nic.  It seems as though it would be better in the long run.  jmo       
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« Reply #825 on: March 24, 2008, 01:38:24 PM »

GradCity.com and Beth Holloway Stress Safety this Spring Break Season
 


         Organizations Offer Easy Tips to Make Student Travel Safer

    PEABODY, Massachusetts, March 24 /PRNewswire/ - GradCity.com, a
division of First Choice Student Travel, and the International Safe Travels
Foundation, a non-profit organization founded by Beth Holloway, the mother
of missing teen Natalee Holloway, have jointly released a series of steps
students can take to make their travel experiences safer. This announcement
follows GradCity.com's 2007 launch of its BreakSmart
(http://gradcity.com/breaksmart.php) campaign, which was created to
encourage responsible decision-making while on Spring Break.

    "With Spring Break right around the corner, stressing safety while
traveling is paramount. And since Natalee Holloway's disappearance just
under three years ago, students and other young adults, as well as parents
and teachers have been seeking out ways to make student travel safer - both
internationally and domestically," said Joe Bush, Managing Sales Director
of First Choice Student Travel. "Our BreakSmart program, which makes
available safety tips and cautionary advice for students, is one way
students can arm themselves with information to help ensure a memorable and
safe travel experience."

    There are many steps students can take to travel more safely this
spring and summer. Travel experts at StudentCity.com and
InternationalSafeTravelsFoundation.org recommend the following tips to
start:


    -   Research the destination - Familiarize yourself with laws and
        customs, research potential health and safety risks, and look into
        news and current events in the area you are visiting before you
        travel. The United States Department of State offers itemized
        destination information at http://travel.state.gov. Lindsay Waits,
        Director of Education for the International Safe Travels Foundation,
        points out that it is wise to be aware of not only U.S. advice, but
        also that which is offered to travelers from other countries. She
        suggests that travelers visit the Australian Department of Foreign
        Affairs at http://www.smartraveller.gov.au.

    -   Know your limits - Alcohol impairs good decision-making, so stay in
        control and stay safe. Never accept drinks from people you don't
        know. Also, be aware that the amount of alcohol in popular drink
        choices may vary from country to country.

    -   Travel in pairs - Using the "buddy system" is of utmost importance
        when traveling. NEVER go anywhere without a buddy, and stay in large
        groups when possible. Be a buddy to your friends by keeping track of
        their whereabouts.

    -   Know who to call - Create a list of emergency contact numbers before
        embarking on your trip. Include local hospitals, police stations and
        the U.S. Consulate in the area you're visiting. Carry numbers at all
        times while traveling and always contact the U.S. Consulate
        immediately if a situation arises while traveling internationally.
        Make sure you know the 24-hour number for the Consulate, in addition
        to its address and hours.

    -   Be cell-phone savvy - Prior to traveling, activate international
        calling on your cell phone, rent an international cell phone, or get
        an international calling card. Most importantly, learn how to call
        internationally from the country you're visiting.

    -   Ask questions - Talk to your trip organizers and ensure you have all
        the proper contact information for onsite staff and onsite travel
        offices before you depart.
    "International travel is a wonderful and exciting experience for most
students. It should be safe as well," said Beth Holloway, President & CEO,
International Safe Travels Foundation. "I established the International
Safe Travels Foundation to help travelers of all ages plan a safer trip,
regardless of destination. The foundation encourages travelers of all ages
to prepare for trips by researching the destination fully, and becoming as
educated as possible. And most importantly we encourage parents and
students to talk openly about how to stay safe while traveling, so that
students can focus on having a good time while on their vacations."

    About GradCity.com

    As the leader in leisure student travel, GradCity.com partners with
airlines, hotels, clubs and entertainers to professionally plan and manage
unforgettable travel experiences. Since 1987, GradCity.com professionals
have arranged and hosted thousands of students on tours to the Caribbean,
Mexico and various travel destinations throughout the United States for
Spring Break, Winter Break, Graduation and other school-sponsored trips.
GradCity.com provides exclusive student events and has the highest staff to
student ratio in the industry. GradCity.com is owned by First Choice
Student Travel under the corporate umbrella of TUI Travel, PLC. TUI is one
of the world's leading leisure travel companies operating in 180 countries,
with over 30 million customers from more than 20 countries and 48,000
colleagues across all businesses and is listed on the London Stock
Exchange.

    About The Safe Travels Foundation

    The Safe Travels Foundation is a US tax-exempt, charitable organization
qualified under Section 501c3 of the Internal Revenue Code established to
inform and educate the public to help them travel more safely as they
travel internationally.




 SOURCE GradCity.com

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« Reply #826 on: March 24, 2008, 03:39:57 PM »

   Wasn't the headmaster of Joran's school transferred to another country shortly after Natalee's disappearance??

   And my BIG question has always been why can't the Air Line be  checked as to how many Sloots returned....one or three???  wasn't it "confirmed" that the two boy were on the plane????  How can air line information disappear???

  And BTW, if it were my kids, when they were in their early teens, they would have been OUTSIDE when numerous cars, police cars amongst them, roared up to our home!

   

It was posted long ago that the headmaster was either reassigned to another location, or left on his own to work in another country, iirc...I haven't taken the time to research this.

WidgetTheMidget, a long time monkey, posted that 3 vds's were on the plane on 6/1/05, more than once.  He hasn't posted here since early June, 2007, and within the posts he mentions Anita's Aunt Emma was with her, but it was not clear if she was on the plane or just with her in the NL.  I am not sure if there was a document before the crashes...sometimes you think you remember something, but can't swear to it. 

I'm not so sure my sons would be outside with a crowd of strangers, police, etc.  It would be wise to keep them indoors but with an adult...but in a foreign country with their customs, who knows.



Robert Werner accepted the Headmaster position in Rio de Janiero and arrived in brazil late July 2007.


Email Address:   robert.werner@earj.com.br
Email Address:   Kristine.Werner@earj.com.br
Email Address:   Barbara.Werner@earj.com.br

Dr. Robert Werner, Headmaster  (2007-2008)
American School of Rio de Janeiro
Estrada da Gavea, 132
22451-260 Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil
Tel: 55-21-2125-9002
Fax: 55-21-2259-1606
Web: www.earj.com.br



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« Reply #827 on: March 24, 2008, 04:02:25 PM »

Happy Easter!  Happy Spring! my friends!!!

 
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« Reply #828 on: March 24, 2008, 04:23:38 PM »

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« Reply #829 on: March 24, 2008, 06:50:42 PM »

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Casey calls for Mexico to free Martin
N.S. MP says tourism should be used to push for Canadian woman’s release

By CATHY VON KINTZEL Truro Bureau
Sun. Mar 23 - 9:49 AM

AMHERST — Independent MP Bill Casey says he’ll warn his constituents to stay out of Mexico unless Canadian Brenda Martin is released from a women’s prison near Guadalajara.

"I may not have all of the facts but I believe she’s been punished more than any court would ever deem appropriate," Mr. Casey said Friday.

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Imprisoned Canadian welcomes support, cautions against Mexico boycott

"I think the Mexican authorities should take that into consideration. I believe she is a victim here."

Mr. Casey, MP for Cumberland-Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley, sent a letter this week to Mexico’s ambassador to Canada, Emilio Goicoechea, expressing concern over Ms. Martin’s imprisonment and treatment over the past two years, considering she has not been convicted of any crime.

"I respectfully request that the appropriate authorities . . . release Brenda Martin to Canada based on the fact that the punishment that she has already received . . . exceeds an appropriate penalty for the accusations against her, even if they were true," Mr. Casey wrote.

"If this case is not resolved soon, I consider it my responsibility to notify every single one of my constituents . . . that their safety is at risk in Mexico and that Mexico does not respond to Canadian attempts to seek justice on their behalf," he wrote.

Ms. Martin, 51, of Trenton, Ont., is in the Puente Grande women’s prison, having been detained by Mexican authorities in February 2006 for alleged involvement in a $60-million pyramid investment scheme involving 15,000 people in dozens of countries.

According to The Canadian Press, she insists she was a chef and not an accomplice, and her former boss, Alyn Waage — who was convicted in the case and is serving time in California — also says she wasn’t involved.
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I have pretty much been all over the world. Mexico is the last place I would ever consider for a vacation spot. It's past history, with many deaths and serious injuries should be a wake up call to anyone that is informed prior to making plans. Oh yes Aruba also fits this bill. So if anyone can help this person out ..why not!! If the shoe was on the other foot and a Mexician was in our jails do you not think that the roles might be reversed! Wait a minute, our jails are like Hotels compared to other countries....I retrack that thought. hahahhahaha

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Done! My letter has gone off to the Ambassador of Mexico, in Canada. Here in NS a sailor was shot and the province rallied around to raise funds for his pregnant widow. Her family was given the utmost respect. In Mexico, a Canadian is held without a trial for two years. No Charter no Habeus Corpus. We need to get her home. No vacations in Mexico or any country that does not respect Canadians! Aruba, is another one. They killed a young woman and let the killer off. Thanks Mr. Casey for sticking up for Brenda Martin.


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« Reply #830 on: March 24, 2008, 08:43:53 PM »

I find it interresting that:

MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08

www.bondia.com has been down for several days to a couple weeks
www.arubatoday.com has also been down

It appears as those two websites are gone for good. 

Also noted:

No updates to Amigoe.com since 3/20/08

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« Reply #831 on: March 24, 2008, 08:51:47 PM »

I find it interresting that:

MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08

www.bondia.com has been down for several days to a couple weeks
www.arubatoday.com has also been down

It appears as those two websites are gone for good. 

Also noted:

No updates to Amigoe.com since 3/20/08


I found it odd that I couldn't find ANY current information on Aruba CNN International last night.  I thought they might have had something about the strike, hit and run, or something.  I couldn't find any recent news about Aruba at all. 

So what do you think is up Klaas?
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« Reply #832 on: March 24, 2008, 08:59:50 PM »

I find it interresting that:

MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08

www.bondia.com has been down for several days to a couple weeks
www.arubatoday.com has also been down

It appears as those two websites are gone for good. 

Also noted:

No updates to Amigoe.com since 3/20/08


I found it odd that I couldn't find ANY current information on Aruba CNN International last night.  I thought they might have had something about the strike, hit and run, or something.  I couldn't find any recent news about Aruba at all. 

So what do you think is up Klaas?

Not sure but it's very odd.
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« Reply #833 on: March 24, 2008, 09:23:24 PM »

I find it interresting that:

MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08

www.bondia.com has been down for several days to a couple weeks
www.arubatoday.com has also been down

It appears as those two websites are gone for good. 

Also noted:

No updates to Amigoe.com since 3/20/08


I found it odd that I couldn't find ANY current information on Aruba CNN International last night.  I thought they might have had something about the strike, hit and run, or something.  I couldn't find any recent news about Aruba at all. 

So what do you think is up Klaas?

Not sure but it's very odd.

Maybe they have all received a nice letter asking them to refrain from slandering Natalee and Beth.  Maybe that Dutch lawyer has already started putting the fear in them all.
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« Reply #834 on: March 24, 2008, 09:36:35 PM »

I resorted to reading some of the comments in a travel forum last night.  Alot of talk about the strike.  Some of them are pretty interesting.
   One said something about their plane running out of fuel IIRC.

 http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/aruba-strike-30533/index3.html




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« Reply #835 on: March 24, 2008, 09:54:07 PM »

I resorted to reading some of the comments in a travel forum last night.  Alot of talk about the strike.  Some of them are pretty interesting.
   One said something about their plane running out of fuel IIRC.

 http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/aruba-strike-30533/index3.html






i was reading there last night too! LOL!!

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« Reply #836 on: March 24, 2008, 10:02:11 PM »

Yooooo hooooo Mr. Wernerrrrrr, Destiny's gonna get your numberrrrrr....  Are you skeeeerrrdd?  Just tell her what you knowwww, it'll beeeee okaaaayyyy! 
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« Reply #837 on: March 24, 2008, 10:07:48 PM »

I resorted to reading some of the comments in a travel forum last night.  Alot of talk about the strike.  Some of them are pretty interesting.
   One said something about their plane running out of fuel IIRC.

 http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/aruba-strike-30533/index3.html






i was reading there last night too! LOL!!


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #838 on: March 24, 2008, 10:12:23 PM »

Yooooo hooooo Mr. Wernerrrrrr, Destiny's gonna get your numberrrrrr....  Are you skeeeerrrdd?  Just tell her what you knowwww, it'll beeeee okaaaayyyy! 

 
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« Reply #839 on: March 24, 2008, 11:20:59 PM »

Hi everyone, hereby a post from a friend of mine she made last night on RU (on my nic). Had some question / remarks about it; so under her post I pasted some more info to explain some things....hope you all understand Wink


Should be free? No evidence doesn't mean he didn't have anything to do with it. And if he did have something to do with this he shouldn't be able to get away with it. Proof or no proof. It's just right & wrong.
I know it doesn't work that way according to the law...I'm just thinking as a human being. And evidence doesn't automatically mean a conviction either.

I've only been on this forum recently. The fact is I've met Joran a couple of times. A friend of mine lived near him. One day last summer Joran and his friends / housemates were sitting in the backyard and he was speaking about girls in a rude manner. Her grandparents were coming over and she didn't know what to do. It was a hot day & of course her grandparents wanted to sit outside. So I went over and sat with them. In an instant his way of talking changed...charming mode set in. Later I've met him in clubs in Arnhem a couple of times. As a real player the fact that I wasn't interested got his attention of course. After a while he got the message and left me alone.

And I will say this; I found him to be a nice guy. Joran has a great sense of humour (well of course that would depend on your own sense of humour) and is very likeable; easygoing. But he thinks the world evolves around him and if things don't go the way he wants it....well watch out. And what bothered me the most: he doesn't have a lot of respect (if any for most girls) for girls. His nicknames loverboy / player do him credit.

So from my own experience with the guy: I didn't want to date him or be friends with him. And even without Natalee Holloway case in the back of my mind that wouldn't be any different I believe (being friends; dating such a player is a no go in every way for me). Although I can't know this for sure of course.

Some people give statements about him as if they know him...there is a girl that is his online friend that posts here a lot. I've read some of her posts (I think she even started this poll....I'm not sure); and my advice: be carefull; in real life he seems to be a bit different than the way you post about him here.




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Still can't help but wonder why you never mentioned that information at SM, especially since that seems to be your home board...I would think that would have added greatly to your discussion there.

Oh well...just one of those things I suppose.

My reaction:

Well it was her that met him and I didn't know if she wanted me to post that information and it's only since a while that I started posting at this and the SM forum. And I did / do think it's better for her to tell about her encounters with Joran than the story coming from me; it did cross my mind to ask her to post at SM or RU but it just hadn't come up yet.

And right now, after reading some of the replies / reactions, I'm glad I didn't post anything on behalf of her sooner and she got to tell it herself yesterday.

When she was at my house yesterday this forum was open on my computer and she just asked if she could post something with my log in. The approval (if she would have applied for an account) wouldn't have gone throught in a couple of hours (I thought; because of Easter and the timedifference) so I said; sure you can post under my nic.

Hope that answers your question a bit? I think most people people on SM also read here? I'm not sure though...otherwise I will post her posts also on SM.
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Thank you for sharing a down-to-earth and unemotional "take" from someone who knows Joran.  I wasn't a member of SM in the early months after Natalee's disappearance, so I didn't read much directly from people who know or have met Joran.  Since then it's been either one end of the spectrum or another.  Your friend's familiarity with him may be limited, but it's interesting to hear how he comes across. 
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