Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Observer]

Thursday June 30th 2005

At 3:15pm Joran is taken for another "location indication", driving along the route they took that evening. At 4:30pm during interrogation Joran indicates that his previous statement about the Drive-in cinema was wrong, and that his father dropped him off there on a Thursday, the day after Anita left for the Netherlands, not Monday.[/i]

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

Thank you Buckeye.

Do you have the quote from Joran's book  as well as the page number where he implies that Paulus and his statements may not match as his Father has a bad memory?

Thank you.

Janet

Dave Holloway spoke to the Bus Driver of Jorans and he told him he was picked up the Day after Natalee dissapeared by lorenzos house,PVDS said he dropped him off there to save time. I asked him this just 2 weeks ago.

[Buckeye]

Regarding school on Monday.  Notice date, Paulus gets released after Joran's first statement then changes his mind (after figuring out he contradicted his dad?).  Now wouldn't he remember exactly what happened Monday??  From the book:

P191

Wednesday June 29th 2005

During a trip from KIA to the police cell, he officers record the following conversation: Around 11:30 during the transfer of suspect Joran van der Sloot he spontaneously declares, that his lawyer has told him not to go to the police station any longer to make a statement. He also tells us that the only truth that Deepak still needs to declare is that Deepak picked him up at the beach.

The police also question Joran on the subject of how he got to school on the Monday morning of Natalee's disappearance. Joran does not remember well but thinks he missed the bus and was dropped off by his father at a "spot near to the Drive-in theatre."

Joran is also questioned about drugs: You ask me whether i have smoked marihuana: I did once smoke a marihuana cigarette. You inform me that many people have stated that Deepak sells XTC pills. I've never seen Deepak sell XTC pills. I also have never heard that before.

Thursday June 30th 2005

At 3:15pm Joran is taken for another "location indication", driving along the route they took that evening. At 4:30pm during interrogation Joran indicates that his previous statement about the Drive-in cinema was wrong, and that his father dropped him off there on a Thursday, the day after Anita left for the Netherlands, not Monday.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

Thank you Buckeye.

Do you have the quote from Joran's book  as well as the page number where he implies that Paulus and his statements may not match as his Father has a bad memory?

Thank you.

Janet

Joran statement (not book) June 24, 2005

that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=4557.0


BFN link, although I'm sure we have it here.

[Observer]

May I call him?

*******...If You...think it is worth it...email me his phone number...I *work* best over the phone/in person...'tis a gift...

If any Monkey feels I should not do this...please let me know...

I don't have his number and I am done talking to the scumbag. He told me some things then forgot he told me them and turned into a jerk when he couldnt find a reason to help Natalee or her Family.Remember this guy was talking about LVR a week before anyone else and his last post on June 17th at RWV said Lorenzo was involved,he also admitted to help making the Aruba-Bay Videos and hinted about wanting the reward of 250k. Sure wish we had the newspaper articles in the beginning about Natalee's clothes in his basement,that would be interesting reading if they searched or whatever. I can email you his email if you like..

[Destiny]

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[Observer]

I wonder what Nightclub Lorenzo owned and lived on top of?

(Translated)
I once had an ex who was as old as me and also lived in Aruba. His parents had a vw spuitgarage on Aruba. His father has a few years later committed suicide. Lorenzo told me over his own nightclub to attend.
Marijke 06-02-2008 @ 04:23

After the text above to have read is also on the vw garage. Lorenzo has in Haarlem in the Rozenprieel lived. And so he lived in Aruba above the nightclub.

Marijke 06-02-2008 @ 04:32
=============================
I myself lived in aruba. I went to aruba with Paul van Rijn, who was owner of Van Rijn Dieselservice. It was this based in Haarlem to the amsterdamsevaart. Paul and Astrid van Rijn had a son who was called Lorenzo van Rijn. He is simply netherlands born.

Jelle meinesz 06-02-2008 @ 16:33

http://tinyurl.com/2sdv6b

[snoopy]

Hmmmm....... when it gets this eerily quiet for a fw days, look for something MAJOR to be brewing!! JMO 

Oh I hope you're right wreck.

[Destiny]

May I call him?

*******...If You...think it is worth it...email me his phone number...I *work* best over the phone/in person...'tis a gift...

If any Monkey feels I should not do this...please let me know...

I don't have his number and I am done talking to the scumbag. He told me some things then forgot he told me them and turned into a jerk when he couldnt find a reason to help Natalee or her Family.Remember this guy was talking about LVR a week before anyone else and his last post on June 17th at RWV said Lorenzo was involved,he also admitted to help making the Aruba-Bay Videos and hinted about wanting the reward of 250k. Sure wish we had the newspaper articles in the beginning about Natalee's clothes in his basement,that would be interesting reading if they searched or whatever. I can email you his email if you like..

*******...yes...Thank You...can start from there...plus, will try to find current phone/cell #...

[Buckeye]

Another Joran June 24 2005 statement.  Boy some of the same lines....drinking but not too much...no condom..... story sounds a little rehearsed...

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. Ik know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relation with her but I do not remember the time period. (With Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa XXXX XXXXX"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have a sexual relationship with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a Karen to give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartement with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartement. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

[Destiny]

I wonder what Nightclub Lorenzo owned and lived on top of?

(Translated)
I once had an ex who was as old as me and also lived in Aruba. His parents had a vw spuitgarage on Aruba. His father has a few years later committed suicide. Lorenzo told me over his own nightclub to attend.
Marijke 06-02-2008 @ 04:23

After the text above to have read is also on the vw garage. Lorenzo has in Haarlem in the Rozenprieel lived. And so he lived in Aruba above the nightclub.

Marijke 06-02-2008 @ 04:32
=============================
I myself lived in aruba. I went to aruba with Paul van Rijn, who was owner of Van Rijn Dieselservice. It was this based in Haarlem to the amsterdamsevaart. Paul and Astrid van Rijn had a son who was called Lorenzo van Rijn. He is simply netherlands born.

Jelle meinesz 06-02-2008 @ 16:33

http://tinyurl.com/2sdv6b

Lorenzo owns a *private* nightclub in his own home!....built under his house...it includes a *private* filming room....

[Tamikosmom]

Regarding school on Monday.  Notice date, Paulus gets released after Joran's first statement then changes his mind (after figuring out he contradicted his dad?).  Now wouldn't he remember exactly what happened Monday??  From the book:

P191

Wednesday June 29th 2005

During a trip from KIA to the police cell, he officers record the following conversation: Around 11:30 during the transfer of suspect Joran van der Sloot he spontaneously declares, that his lawyer has told him not to go to the police station any longer to make a statement. He also tells us that the only truth that Deepak still needs to declare is that Deepak picked him up at the beach.

The police also question Joran on the subject of how he got to school on the Monday morning of Natalee's disappearance. Joran does not remember well but thinks he missed the bus and was dropped off by his father at a "spot near to the Drive-in theatre."

Joran is also questioned about drugs: You ask me whether i have smoked marihuana: I did once smoke a marihuana cigarette. You inform me that many people have stated that Deepak sells XTC pills. I've never seen Deepak sell XTC pills. I also have never heard that before.

Thursday June 30th 2005

At 3:15pm Joran is taken for another "location indication", driving along the route they took that evening. At 4:30pm during interrogation Joran indicates that his previous statement about the Drive-in cinema was wrong, and that his father dropped him off there on a Thursday, the day after Anita left for the Netherlands, not Monday.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

Thank you Buckeye.

Do you have the quote from Joran's book  as well as the page number where he implies that Paulus and his statements may not match as his Father has a bad memory?

Thank you.

Janet

Joran statement (not book) June 24, 2005

that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=4557.0


BFN link, although I'm sure we have it here.

Thank you Buckeye.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=193.0

[Keepthefaith]

Hello everyone!Hope everyone had a great Easter,as well as a safe one.Been off for awhile so as trying to catch up.Me personally i think good things are happening on Danger island.Trying to catch up so i'll keep going back and forth to get the latest....

Keepthefaith

[mrs. red]

Sorry. Link to book at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

so what is this link... all I get is that it's a private site and you must register

[San]

Sorry. Link to book at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

so what is this link... all I get is that it's a private site and you must register

You have to be a registered member in order for you to view anything at BFN.

Hi Mrs. Red.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys

A game of Scrabble is where it is at and ... then Ducky and I will be flying off to Lala Land.


Janet
7:50 PM

[mrs. red]

Sorry. Link to book at BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7270.0

so what is this link... all I get is that it's a private site and you must register

You have to be a registered member in order for you to view anything at BFN.

Hi Mrs. Red.

hey San... I don't want to register... a couple of recent emails with the posting of a particular person make me want to throw major flames.... and I am a take no prisioners kind of girl... know what I mean???

It's good to see you though.... 

[San]

Good Night Monkeys

A game of Scrabble is where it is at and ... then Ducky and I will be flying off to Lala Land.


Janet
7:50 PM

Have a good night Janet.

Scrabble was my moms favorite game to play.

[Observer]

Who's gonna pay Deepak well?
-------------------------------
D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?  But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.

D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. F***** all of them.  From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

[Observer]

Holloway’s mother talks of dangers

By AMEERAH CETAWAYO
The Daily News

Remember Natalee.

Remember the blond-haired, blue-eyed, 18-year- old Alabama girl who made international headlines after disappearing on the final night of her high school graduation trip on the island of Aruba - that’s what Beth Holloway Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, asked a crowd of hundreds at the Sloan Convention Center to do this morning.

The call to remember was a simple statement sparked by a complicated tale Twitty told about Holloway’s 2005 disappearance.

With little help from Aruban and American authorities, Twitty said she embarked on a mission to find out what happened to her daughter - searching through brothels, crack houses and challenging the Aruban judicial system at every step of the investigative process.

“Reporters would ask me how I feel - I didn’t feel anything. I didn’t eat, sleep, bathe ...” Twitty said, adding that a sense of panic pushed her to take every moment as an opportunity to find her daughter.

Twitty’s talk today came just a month after an apparent confession from suspect Joran Van der Sloot. The Jan. 16 confession was aired on Dutch television and then aired on ABC’s 20/20 program. In secretly videotaped footage, Van der Sloot tells a friend he was with Natalee when she suddenly died, and that a friend took Holloway’s body to sea and “threw her out like an old rag,” according to the taping.

In response to the tape, Twitty said she now understands why a lead investigator asked her if Natalee had a history of seizures just days after the disappearance - in retrospect, she believes Van der Sloot, who has not been charged in Natalee’s disappearance, confessed to Aruban authorities early on.

“With this confession, now I know what happened,” Twitty said. “She was never in any of the places we searched. We feel certain she was given a date rape drug and had a seizure. But we’ll never have the opportunity to find out what happened because Joran Van der Sloot disposed of her body. There’s nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee.”

The shortcomings of Twitty’s situation prompted the creation of personal safety courses at the University of Auburn in Alabama, research about travel safety and other advocacy initiatives for the 27 million Americans who travel internationally every year.

Twitty also published a book, “Loving Natalee,” about her ordeal, in which she described “every parent’s nightmare.”

Twitty says her long-term goals are new emergency assistance procedures for American travelers who find themselves in a crisis overseas, as well as more preventive education toward personal safety issues in foreign countries.

Twitty said though her daughter was intelligent and had a basic understanding of safety, being on an exotic island with friends gave her a false sense of security.

“It’s too late for Natalee. It’s too late for me. But it’s not for you,” Twitty told the crowd. “Most likely her body is unrecoverable.”

The event, sponsored by Scott, Murphy, and Daniel and the Bowling Green Area Chamber of Commerce, came a year after Twitty originally came to Bowling Green.

After hearing Twitty speak at the National Sheriff’s Association 2006 Winter Conference held in California, Warren County Sheriff Jerry “Peanuts” Gaines worked to bring her to Bowling Green for the Bowling Green Area Chamber of Commerce coffee hour last year.

Robin Pemberton at times became teary eyed during Twitty’s Friday presentation.

“I’m a mother. You can’t help but think about what it feels like to walk in her shoes,” Pemberton said. “I’m moved by the fact she didn’t give up.”

http://www.bgdailynews.com/articles/2008/03/21/news/news4.txt

[San]

Who's gonna pay Deepak well?
-------------------------------
D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?  But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.

D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. F***** all of them.  From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

The same people who are paying for the Sloot's lawyers.

[San]

I just found out that my cousin's kid is traveling overseas for 6 months to go to school.  I quickly gave her the link to Beth's site and said here you read this and have your daughter read it also.