Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Nut44x4]

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html

Max D. is not on the above site....why?

http://www.kparuba.com/missingpanneflek.htm

and the most recent is this dude>>

any word on this guy lately?

[jackb]

Why was the Aruban Govt crying about there Tourism right from the start? I mean murders happen most everywhere in the World to Americans except Aruba Nothing is more dispicable then lying and blaming the victim while hiding behind a corrupt govt or lawyers.
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Day to Day, June 10, 2005 · Officials fear the recent disappearance of Natalee Holloway -- the 18-year-old Alabama student who went missing in Aruba -- could affect tourism to the tropical island. The island's prime minister and a travel industry analyst offer their thoughts about security on Aruba, and the potential impact on the island's economy.

It must be the standard reaction for them...


Looking for - Willard (Bud) Larson
  Author: 20974  Category:(Missing) Created:(11/28/2000 8:40:00 PM)

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Bud Larson left Seattle to go to Aruba for a vacation on June 9, 1999. He checked into his hotel late that night and was missing the next day. All we know is that he left his room in the morning to go to the surf shop where he was going to rent his windsurfing equipment and when they didn't have what he was suppose to get, he went walking down the beach and that was the last he was seen. The police there know what has happened to him, but won't tell the family as "they just want this to go away" because it will hurt the tourism in that country.

He is listed on the missing persons list for Aruba and can be seen at

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html

Why we are looking for them:
We need to know what has happened to him.

 

May and june sounds like months to kill in form someone.   j/b

[Rob]

May and june sounds like months to kill in form someone.   j/b

YEAH Bro!!! you got that right!

And they are over due for their next missing person. The previous time-line was 2 years. I *think* someone yet unknown is already in danger, unbeknown to them.

[jackb]

Well said Hotping! I don't understand how people can live with themselves either All it takes is one email/call to Natalee's Mom or Dad and they did some good and relieved there conscious a bit. Unfortunately like you I believe this is far more serious and dangerous for people to do that. The cards do have to fall and soon,there is no way around it for Natalee to get her Justice. That Government needs to be penalized in the worst way with a active American Boycott..Our Government really needs to do something since the Aruban and Dutch Governments refuse to do so.

I just don't understand how this has been going on for almost 3 yrs and not one single person in Aruba has the decency to step forward...As a Mother of two Sons I can not understand how Anita can lie for Her Son and expect His life to be normal....What is She Thinking....Paulus is in this Up to His eyeballs....How can She live with Him...unless of course She was there that night and knows full well what happened and They are all covering their on butts....That's another thing about this whole case there are just so many things that can not be verified....Paulus lied and said that the Younger boys were in Holland with Anita then He turned around and said that They were at home.....Boy the lies just never stop with these people.....They definitely do not possess a conscious not one last one of them...its truly sickening.... 

 

No one has proven to my satisfaction that Anita was even in Holland at that time of year with school almost ending, her a teacher and mom.  She would be more likely the one Joran called first.  They did bring the who looks like "the rock painter" and a couple of more people in.  Jansen owns the car rental agency there.  Both parents being under scrutiny and losing their jobs would be a disaster, now wouldn't it?  Yes, they lied about the boys being there, and may have lied about Anita being gone.  She could be up to HER wazoo in this as well.  She is not a passive person at all. She was in a picture seen kicking the arse of someone of their help.  An indian looking dude who has long hair and was at one time behind the speaking Van der Stratten on the porch or front of the PD building.  Stratten was we like it had been raining or something.   jack/b

[Rob]

I *guess* theoretically you could count missing Mr. Tromp and Joyce Blakely as *missing* even though Joyce was "found"...

that one is very suspicious. And who knows who else has gone missing and there has been no report filed or it is *unknown* to the authorities.

[Rob]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

[jackb]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

That picture who everyone seemed to think was Joran and a friend or Lorenzo and a friend, was an old picture and most likely Palus and Ben Vocking when they were young and coarousing.  The Sloot-looking one with the middle finger going I do believe was Palus some years ago.  Jackb

[Rob]

wait a sec!!!

the Sloots don't own a gray car at all.

They own a red suzuki and a blue SUV (Hyundai??? KIA??) - is this right?

so, who's car is the one with the chuck missing from the steering wheel? is that the car seen in the Aru-Bay video? I thought we went over this before. did we?

[hotping]

This didn't happen on Aruba but how about the lady on St Maarten that went to the casino and was never seen again...in the S/S thread.. Colombo I believe says that this is an on going thing and that it moves from island to island...which makes sense because they would be very stupid to disappear someone right now in Aruba...This lady was not a tourist but owned a home there on St Maarten which they visited every few months...Sorry I can't remember her name....just some food for thought....     

[Rob]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

That picture who everyone seemed to think was Joran and a friend or Lorenzo and a friend, was an old picture and most likely Palus and Ben Vocking when they were young and coarousing.  The Sloot-looking one with the middle finger going I do believe was Palus some years ago.  Jackb

Jack - which picture are you referring to here? do you have it to post? TIA

[jackb]

Kyle,
Can you please explain to me what you had talked about the other day? What do you believe was found in the trap and are awaiting the results on? DNA? if so from what? Remains? Can you explain what your definition of remains are? bottom line...was it bones?

I'll do the best I can...
- The samples were recovered by Aruban divers on the 7th of Jan.  These samples include a fabric found inside the trap which was sent for a comparative analysis to the FBI.  However, the samples were also reportedly DNA tested. I heard there were remains from a source, who likely referred to DNA as remains, as he said there was DNA found.  However, it's rather ambiguous to me, but the take home message from the FBI is simply: they're not commenting on the case and the fabric wasn't Natalee's blouse.  I'm unaware of any bone found.
Hope that helps some. 
 

I am with ldstlou regarding what was or was not found in the cage.  Samples were recovered including fabric but not limited to fabric?  How can DNA be referred to as remains?  DNA would be on/in remains (skeletal or otherwise).  I can understand why the FBI would want to keep this info quiet at this time, hopefully working on a strong case against Joran.  I just can't get my mind around what exactly was found in the cage?!  At least the FBI is not denying nor confirming that the DNA/remains are Natalee.  Does anyone else have an opinion on this? 

  

Since we and the Persistence group have done everything else, maybe they are waiting for us to arrest them too.  They must be either working up something or waiting for it to go away.  They are afraid they will not get proper credit for solving this is why they haven't done something already.  If they do not, before too long they may be under some scrutiny as something is not right the way they are seemingly failing to give some relief in this matter.  Are they in-fighting with INTERPOL or what?  We are NOT paying those guys to preen.  Get your azzes in gear and give some relief to this case, or so help me, me will put you all under the microscope.   jackb

[Rob]

This didn't happen on Aruba but how about the lady on St Maarten that went to the casino and was never seen again...in the S/S thread.. Colombo I believe says that this is an on going thing and that it moves from island to island...which makes sense because they would be very stupid to disappear someone right now in Aruba...This lady was not a tourist but owned a home there on St Maarten which they visited every few months...Sorry I can't remember her name....just some food for thought....     

Hi Hotping, martini is following this case very closely..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2528.0

Leta Cordes

[MumInOhio]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

Hi Rob...There is a grey car behind Freddy's house that looks like that. There is a picture in the Important Case Documents thread and I was trying to find out if it could have been a Toyota as there are items in the Dr Phil files about a grey Toyota and Deepak's was a Honda.

I asked ******* to look at it and he said he couldn't tell if it was a Toyota, but it sort of looked like the one from the Arubabay videos. I think we posted about it in the Suspect's vehicle thread.

[hotping]

This didn't happen on Aruba but how about the lady on St Maarten that went to the casino and was never seen again...in the S/S thread.. Colombo I believe says that this is an on going thing and that it moves from island to island...which makes sense because they would be very stupid to disappear someone right now in Aruba...This lady was not a tourist but owned a home there on St Maarten which they visited every few months...Sorry I can't remember her name....just some food for thought....     

Hi Hotping, martini is following this case very closely..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2528.0

Leta Cordes

Thank You Rob! 

[Rob]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

Hi Rob...There is a grey car behind Freddy's house that looks like that. There is a picture in the Important Case Documents thread and I was trying to find out if it could have been a Toyota as there are items in the Dr Phil files about a grey Toyota and Deepak's was a Honda.

I asked ******* to look at it and he said he couldn't tell if it was a Toyota, but it sort of looked like the one from the Arubabay videos. I think we posted about it in the Suspect's vehicle thread.

Hi Mum,
I remember the car behind Freddy's - it a view from the back of the car IIRC. I doubt Freddy is lending Paulus a car, but I guess it's possible.

I think that is Paulus in that gray car in the Aru-Bay tape. And Fred Golba spotted Paulus and their eyes locked in the dune area. I initially thought it was Art Wood or TJ Ward, but it was Fred Golba.

[jackb]

wait a sec!!!

the Sloots don't own a gray car at all.

They own a red suzuki and a blue SUV (Hyundai??? KIA??) - is this right?

so, who's car is the one with the chuck missing from the steering wheel? is that the car seen in the Aru-Bay video? I thought we went over this before. did we?

Palus was driving that car with the chunk out of the steering wheel the night he played running man. I believe it was before he was arrested.  Jackb

[texasmom]

someone was asking the other day about the gray car spotted in the Aru-Bay tapes. I have tried to find who owns that car for two years, and no real luck - so I am left guessing and the most logical guess would be Ben Voc / King owns that small gray car.

That picture who everyone seemed to think was Joran and a friend or Lorenzo and a friend, was an old picture and most likely Palus and Ben Vocking when they were young and coarousing.  The Sloot-looking one with the middle finger going I do believe was Palus some years ago.  Jackb

Jack - which picture are you referring to here? do you have it to post? TIA

I would like to see that one too!

[klaasend]

Silver car photos here in the Important Case Document area, suspect's vehicles:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0

[Rob]

wait a sec!!!

the Sloots don't own a gray car at all.

They own a red suzuki and a blue SUV (Hyundai??? KIA??) - is this right?

so, who's car is the one with the chuck missing from the steering wheel? is that the car seen in the Aru-Bay video? I thought we went over this before. did we?

Palus was driving that car with the chunk out of the steering wheel the night he played running man. I believe it was before he was arrested.  Jackb

yes Jack it was before he was arrested on the 25th(??) and he's vehicles were already impounded. It's not a rental or it wouldn't have a chunk missing from the steering wheel. No agency would rent a car in that condition... well maybe on Aruba they would. LOL

The shot where he is running is after he was interviewed about his involvement and Anita said he was running because he is a "private" man and doesn't like the media - or some such no sense.

[Rob]

Silver car photos here in the Important Case Document area, suspect's vehicles:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0

ok, thanks Klaas,

Now I remember, Carpe and I went over that car (behind Freddy's) and compared it to that car in the Aru-Bay vid - it's not the same. The angles of the door is not the same. And the wheels are not the same. Not the same car in my opinion - others might feel differently.