Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[NCMike]

After spending some time catching up, I'm amazed at the research done by you monkeys.  Great job by all of you.

I do have one question/point I'd like to raise.  When OE posted recently about the cage he asked some specific questions or brought up some specific points that I felt he thought the monkeys should investigate.  Mainly, who would own such a trap and where would someone get such a trap on Aruba.  With my limited time and skills I have looked into these questions and not had much luck.  Just wondering if any monkees have really looked into this with the same zest that other topics on scenarios are investigated.

Back to trying to make some sense out of this entire tragedy, hopefully soon Natalee will see justice.

[Observer]

Probably nothing..Just noticed this guy is a expert in law in the netherland antilles and obviously familiar with Aruba.




After a career in journalism and a number of years as a lecturer at the University of the Netherlands Antilles, in 1995 Arjen van Rijn decided to enter the legal profession. As a journalist, what interested him was how people acted in the force field of politics, culture and society. As an academician, his interest was drawn to the legal aspects of the field of constitutional and administrative law. All this comes together in his present work, where a large portion of his clients are found in the public sector. His work often involves finding practical and at the same time well-balanced solutions to problems that arise in the tension field between public administration and law. Initially Arjen primarily occupied himself with overseeing infrastructural projects, such as the expansion of Schiphol Airport and the construction of the high-speed railway line. He was also involved in the auction of the frequencies for mobile telephony and UMTS. Today his attention goes to telecommunication, healthcare, fundamental rights, provincial law, administrative decision-making processes and issues of culture (museum collections, return of art confiscated during the war). Arjen is also specialised in kingdom relations. He brought together his knowledge and experience in this field in a book on constitutional law of the Netherlands Antilles. He is also co-editor of the fourth edition of the standard work Theory and Practice of the European Convention on Human Rights, which was published in October 2006.   

http://www.pelsrijcken.nl/jur_detail.asp?PageID=350&PrID=178

Rhine, A.B. Of
Environmental Law in the Dutch Antilles: An examination of the applicable environmental law in the Dutch Antilles and its implementation with regard to the ius constituendum / AB Van Rijn. --
Curacao: Chair for Environment and Development, 1992. -- 101

Rhine, A.B. Of
The political restructuring of the Dutch Antilles: No words but deeds! : Farewell speech delivered on Friday, June 9, 1995 / by AB Van Rijn. --
Curacao: University of the Dutch Antilles, 1995. -- P. 18 , 24 cm.
ISBN 99904-4-012-3

Rhine, A.B. Of
Law of the Dutch Antilles / A.B. Van Rijn. --
Deventer: W.E.J. Tjeenk Willink, 1999. -- XIV, p. 436 , 24 cm.
ISBN 90-271-5061-3

http://www.euforic.org/iob/publ/reports/295.pdf

[Observer]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

[Destiny]

Jackb...you're as crazy as I am...or...I as you...it's not a bad thing...not bad at all...

[Destiny]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

[jackb]

Jackb...you're as crazy as I am...or...I as you...it's not a bad thing...not bad at all...

Why sayeth thou thusly?  Could be true.  LOL

[Destiny]

edited to ad...*underground* rooms in homes in Aruba are very unusual....not like it's tornado country...one must make a decision to dig underground to make a *private* place...

[Lala'sMom]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

This so begs for a Shango answer...but I will refrain.

[San]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

This so begs for a Shango answer...but I will refrain.

Go for it Lala's.

[Destiny]

Jackb...you're as crazy as I am...or...I as you...it's not a bad thing...not bad at all...

Why sayeth thou thusly?  Could be true.  LOL

Jackb...as thou hath spent countless hours upon your quest...so have I....LOL...

[Destiny]

O'K, about the 5th

Did it actually say the party was at his "house"....or just that he was the host??

Read some old Dutch comments from 2005-2006.  Not many were found.  Someone made a comment like..."wasn't that May 30, 2005.....was that mn brother's birthday??....you probably couldn't remember it....".

Anybody know who an mn is?   (ps I know it's reaching....)

Buckeye do you have a link to that post?

No, I was going to go back in history for the Netherlands google search....but Silverfox scared me so much this morning, I have cleared everything....I'll try to rethink what I was looking for.

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

This so begs for a Shango answer...but I will refrain.

Go for it Lala's.

Yep Lala's...go for it.....

[jackb]

DennisinTn...Mum sent me some stuff on Jean Akers today.  I am going to post in Shango thread.  It has links to previous convos in the LCD here.  She said she didn't keep what she posted...so I will have to search again to find it all..but it is a start.


Jackb... Please post your theories about the 5th suspect in the Shango thread for us to read.  That thread will eventually have an index and it will be easier to find or if you prefer here...I will just bring them over there later.

  I will do so on theories, but the beer bottles and pics are not theories.  These are facts.  I really do not understand where to put what except sometimes when I answer it seems that someone may think they are theories when they are facts.  I truly am confused about this.  It is probably best if I just read as if it seems something I know is a theory to some it may be confusing. 

[Observer]

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

He had a fortress with cameras,dogs,barb wire and guns and likes to party/do drugs so I would imagine he probably did some pretty twisted stuff at these partys. He use to be a DJ and has a miniclub and a Disco downstairs..Thats all I have seen that was true so far..LVR has a reputation of being more of a sinister person then someone powerful,thats the impression I got from reading everything on him.

If we can connect this guy to Mr.Pink it would be big and I think a big missing piece if it is true. Or even perhaps a little brother with his birthday on May 29th,that would be interesting as well.

This Dissapointed Aruban has been right on the money with what he told us about LVR so far.
-------------------------------------
Lorenzo's father killed himslef shortly after finding out about his cheating wife and the divorce papers on the way, plus he had a depression issue. Don't post if you don't know your facts.
Two days before his death, Paul (Lorenzo's dad) was looking a bit down and was talking about fixing everything.
Lorenzo did not kill Natalee, he wouldn't waste his time on a girl like that. He's got better things to do, like getting high, throwing parties, hosting his parties, and spend most of his time in the VIP booth in that miniclub he built on his property.
I think Joran and Deepak are the main suspects here.
Realdebbie:
I happen to know the ex-husband of the woman's sister. It is said she probably had help doing so, you will find it in my previous post somewhere.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:29 AM
---------------------------------
Lorenzo's dad commit suicide. His wife and younger son found his body hanging on a rope in the living room at their home in Savaneta. They say that house is cursed because before the Van Rijns moved in there a baby had drowned in the swimming pool and there are rumors of a previous suicide as well.
Lorenzo isn't feared here! Lol.
Everyone knows him as the cool guy who likes parties. Most people like him or suck up to him becuase he's got great cars, big house with a mini nightclub, lots of cash and always the life of the party. Lorenzo doesn't have a problem getting girls, they're waiting in line for him.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:39 AM

[Destiny]

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

He had a fortress with cameras,dogs,barb wire and guns and likes to party/do drugs so I would imagine he probably did some pretty twisted stuff at these partys. He use to be a DJ and has a miniclub and a Disco downstairs..Thats all I have seen that was true so far..LVR has a reputation of being more of a sinister person then someone powerful,thats the impression I got from reading everything on him.

If we can connect this guy to Mr.Pink it would be big and I think a big missing piece if it is true. Or even perhaps a little brother with his birthday on May 29th,that would be interesting as well.

This Dissapointed Aruban has been right on the money with what he told us about LVR so far.
-------------------------------------
Lorenzo's father killed himslef shortly after finding out about his cheating wife and the divorce papers on the way, plus he had a depression issue. Don't post if you don't know your facts.
Two days before his death, Paul (Lorenzo's dad) was looking a bit down and was talking about fixing everything.
Lorenzo did not kill Natalee, he wouldn't waste his time on a girl like that. He's got better things to do, like getting high, throwing parties, hosting his parties, and spend most of his time in the VIP booth in that miniclub he built on his property.
I think Joran and Deepak are the main suspects here.
Realdebbie:
I happen to know the ex-husband of the woman's sister. It is said she probably had help doing so, you will find it in my previous post somewhere.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:29 AM
---------------------------------
Lorenzo's dad commit suicide. His wife and younger son found his body hanging on a rope in the living room at their home in Savaneta. They say that house is cursed because before the Van Rijns moved in there a baby had drowned in the swimming pool and there are rumors of a previous suicide as well.
Lorenzo isn't feared here! Lol.
Everyone knows him as the cool guy who likes parties. Most people like him or suck up to him becuase he's got great cars, big house with a mini nightclub, lots of cash and always the life of the party. Lorenzo doesn't have a problem getting girls, they're waiting in line for him.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:39 AM

Thank You *******...

[Tamikosmom]

THE FIFTH SUSPECT

[b[Official Suspects - Natalee Holloway Case[/b]

Karin Janssen:

Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

1.  Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

2. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

3. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

4. Steve Croes- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

6. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

7. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.


Hans Mos:

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.


JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS AND STEVE
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Anita Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 24, 2005

A. VAN DER SLOOT: You know when I asked him when I was in Holland that weekend or a week because of a family celebration and when I spoke to him the first time I was so angry, so angry with him.

"Why did you sneak out of the house?" He said, "Mom, if you would have been there, I wouldn't even have thought about it." And my husband was deep asleep. He didn't hear anything.

So, I don't think Joran is someone who would do things against the house rules often. I don't think so. He's a normal teenager. You remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17-year-old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later every time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html


Roy Tromp - Investigator
Paulus' Interrogator
Associated Press
August 5, 2005

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Police car transcript from June 29, 2005

Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
 
Joran:  The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
 
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=87.msg19053;topicseen#msg19053

[jackb]

Jackb...you're as crazy as I am...or...I as you...it's not a bad thing...not bad at all...

Why sayeth thou thusly?  Could be true.  LOL

Jackb...as thou hath spent countless hours upon your quest...so have I....LOL...

touche

[jackb]

THE FIFTH SUSPECT

[b[Official Suspects - Natalee Holloway Case[/b]

Karin Janssen:

Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

1.  Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

2. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

3. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

4. Steve Croes- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

6. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

7. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.


Hans Mos:

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.


JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS AND STEVE
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Anita Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 24, 2005

A. VAN DER SLOOT: You know when I asked him when I was in Holland that weekend or a week because of a family celebration and when I spoke to him the first time I was so angry, so angry with him.

"Why did you sneak out of the house?" He said, "Mom, if you would have been there, I wouldn't even have thought about it." And my husband was deep asleep. He didn't hear anything.

So, I don't think Joran is someone who would do things against the house rules often. I don't think so. He's a normal teenager. You remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17-year-old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later every time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html


Roy Tromp - Investigator
Paulus' Interrogator
Associated Press
August 5, 2005

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Police car transcript from June 29, 2005

Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
 
Joran:  The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
 
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=87.msg19053;topicseen#msg19053

 

It has been my understanding that Steve Croes was questioned about the information he had about lying for the suspects.  If he was so charged why was he not held.  That is the first time I have heard of him being suspected of these charges.   Jack blue

[Lala'sMom]

I thought we had already found out that Mr. Pink and Lorenzo were business partners. I know I read that and even saw something about it somewhere...someplace.

[Lala'sMom]

For Paulus to be the 5th suspect...does not say 5th man arrested...he has to have hosted a small party at his house the night Natalee disappeared and he has to have had an alibi given for him by the people attending this small party.  I want to see this proof.  I so want to eliminate this 5th suspect. 

[Tamikosmom]

<snipped>

JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS AND STEVE
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

<snipped>

 

It has been my understanding that Steve Croes was questioned about the information he had about lying for the suspects.  If he was so charged why was he not held.  That is the first time I have heard of him being suspected of these charges.   Jack blue

Steve Croes was arrested and held for ten days following the detainment of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++

DJ admits false tale about missing teen
Friday, July 01, 2005
Aruba prosecutor says judge told son: No body, no case

PALM BEACH, Aruba -- A disc jockey who spent 10 days in jail after being arrested and questioned about a missing American teenager admits he lied to Aruban police to protect one of the suspects in custody.

"I heard this guy talking on the phone at the Internet cafe," Steve Croes said. "So my story was like almost exactly as his."

Croes was referring to Deepak Kalpoe, 21, who originally said he and his brother Satish, 18, and their friend Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, drove Natalee Holloway back to the Holiday Inn the night of May 30.

Croes told police he saw the young men drop Holloway off at the hotel.

"So that's why they thought that maybe I was in it," Croes told CNN Wednesday. "But everything that I knew, I just hear it from his voice, when he was talking on the phone."

Croes works on a party boat that docks about 1,000 feet from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying when she disappeared.

The Kalpoes later said they dropped Joran and Natalee off at a beach down the road.

When she disappeared, the 18 year old was celebrating her high school graduation in Aruba with about 100 classmates and several parent chaperones from Mountain Brook, Alabama, a suburb of Birmingham.

She was last seen leaving a nightclub with the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot. They were arrested on June 9 and have been detained since.

No charges have been filed against the three, and their attorneys have said the men are innocent.

Police released Croes Monday after a judge ruled there was not enough evidence to hold him. The DJ was arrested June 17 after at least one of the three still being held named him during questioning by authorities, officials said.

A hearing is scheduled early next week to determine whether the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot can be held for 60 more days.
Prosecutor: Van Der Sloots interfered

Judge Paul Van Der Sloot, Joran's father, was arrested a week ago, but was released a few days later.

Aruba's chief prosecutor Karin Janssen told CNN Wednesday the elder Van Der Sloot told his son that without a body police would have no case.

Janssen said the judge made the comment "some days after" Holloway disappeared in a conversation with his son and the Kalpoes.

Investigators learned about his conversation with the three during questioning of one of the Kalpoe brothers, Janssen said, and when asked about the comment, the judge replied that he had been speaking about such a situation "generally."

In addition, he and his wife, Anita, interfered in the case by asking a friend of their son what he had told police during questioning, Janssen said.

"That was not positive to the investigation," she said.

CNN has tried unsuccessfully to contact the couple and attorneys representing the father and son.

The release of the elder Van Der Sloot was met with chagrin by Holloway's family.

"He definitely, definitely has information that he needs to step forward and be the man that he is and disclose that information," Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, told CNN.

Janssen said criticism of the way Aruban authorities have handled the case "is not justified."

"We have a civilized society. We have a decent law system. We can't book people when we want ... [like] a bunch of cowboys," she said. "We have made some progress, and we are doing it in our way. It is maybe not fast enough for a lot of people, but it is no grounds to have such criticism."

The legal system in Aruba, an autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, is based partly on Dutch civil law.

Janssen said she thinks island police "are doing a hell of a job."

The prosecutor said the investigation is being conducted around the three suspects in custody, "so we get a clear picture of where they were, and what has happened, and what happened to Natalee." She described the process as "millimeter work" going on "around the clock."

"It's a real puzzle, but we are getting the picture of the puzzle, I think," she said.

Janssen said authorities in Aruba are working Holloway's disappearance as a missing person's case with the possibility of murder, although they have not definitively concluded that the teen is dead.
Mother: Time wasted

Twitty, however, wonders how much time investigators lost checking out Croes' story.

"I think that's sad for him if that's how it truly happened," she said. "I just don't want to waste any more ... energy or focus on the wrong individuals."

Croes said he lied to police because he thought he was helping Deepak stay out of trouble.

"If you were sitting in the cafe and heard the guy, you'd think he was telling the truth, too," Croes said.

Aruba on Thursday was awaiting the deployment of another contingent of Dutch Marines to assist with the search for Holloway.

The Netherlands agreed Wednesday to assign the Marines to the search, joining several hundred others stationed on the island who have been looking.

Also scouring the island is a team of search specialists that arrived last weekend. The volunteer group, Texas EquuSearch, has sent some searchers home, as well as several cadaver dogs, but expects to have new volunteers arrive to continue the search.

Source: CNN

http://www.handelonthelaw.com/news_details.aspx?News=1072&Date=7/1/2005