Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Lala'sMom]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

[Observer]

I thought we had already found out that Mr. Pink and Lorenzo were business partners. I know I read that and even saw something about it somewhere...someplace.

A couple people have mentioned that it is true like Clevfan..But as you know Lala rumors and hearsay count for very little

[Observer]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

It was most definetly that Thursday or Friday at C&C that she encountered GVC..Maybe Friday because they went to C&C that night(Cain PV) On Saturday May 28th Natalee had to be carried back to her hotel by Kevin Brodie.(Broughton PV)

[Lala'sMom]

I thought we had already found out that Mr. Pink and Lorenzo were business partners. I know I read that and even saw something about it somewhere...someplace.

A couple people have mentioned that it is true like Clevfan..But as you know Lala rumors and hearsay count for very little

I agree, but I didn't hear from Clevfan...I remember something about Paul Brough and LVR being partners in crime...er...business.  If you remember Brough's office for his legit business...can't remember what it was now...was down the hallway from the reporter/producer that committed suicide. 

[klaasend]

O/T

FYI - I'm in the middle of tryng to set up my PC in another room.  We are going to be doing some work at the house (foundation repair). So things will be interresting for me for the next couple months.  Staying here in the back rooms while they do the work.

[Lala'sMom]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

It was most definetly that Thursday or Friday at C&C that she encountered GVC..Maybe Friday because they went to C&C that night(Cain PV) On Saturday May 28th Natalee had to be carried back to her hotel by Kevin Brodie.(Broughton PV)

Well!  That shot my idea to heck. LOL...Thanks.

[Observer]

Well!  That shot my idea to heck. LOL...Thanks.

It was a good idea..Sorry! 

Also,I have no idea the names of the legit businesses Paul Brough operated in Aruba. He had the sailing business and his escort services,where he offered girls for as low as $40 and called it Aruba's only Adult tour,he even picked them up. Of Course he had the Pink Productions where he offered cash to join the pink patrol. His server even started archiving on May 30th 2005,out of all the days why May 30th 2005? He had other websites involving escorts,CES and Petclix which he said he started pre-2005 in the U.S.



I sure would like to know if this was him who made the Movie Poolside Bitch and Mr Pink.(Rape and Abduction video)and also why the FBI subpoenad his cell phone records in regards to this case!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0

[Destiny]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

It was most definetly that Thursday or Friday at C&C that she encountered GVC..Maybe Friday because they went to C&C that night(Cain PV) On Saturday May 28th Natalee had to be carried back to her hotel by Kevin Brodie.(Broughton PV)

Well!  That shot my idea to heck. LOL...Thanks.

And...what *if* she had been drugged that night too...via a drink...?...and the *plan didn't play out*...because of her friends...just a thought...

[Buckeye]

For Paulus to be the 5th suspect...does not say 5th man arrested...he has to have hosted a small party at his house the night Natalee disappeared and he has to have had an alibi given for him by the people attending this small party.  I want to see this proof.  I so want to eliminate this 5th suspect. 

Did it actually say at his house or are we assuming that because he was the host???

People can host parties AWAY from home.

[Pita]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

From Pelham meeting, October 28, 2006.  Posted at BFN.

General Questions and Answers - Answers provided by Beth, Dave and Art Wood

snipped...

9.  Is there a Blue Eyed Dutch Boy?  NO, there is no blue eyed Dutch boy. 

10.  Association with GVC?  NO association with him except on the 27th at C & C's he slapped her on the rear.

[Pita]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

Lee Broughton

Saturday, May 28, 2005, Holloway became very intoxicated and eventually had to be escorted back to her room by (Kevin Broday?).

[texasmom]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

From Pelham meeting, October 28, 2006.  Posted at BFN.

General Questions and Answers - Answers provided by Beth, Dave and Art Wood

snipped...

10.  Association with GVC?  NO association with him except on the 27th at C & C's he slapped her on the rear.

9.  Is there a Blue Eyed Dutch Boy?  NO, there is no blue eyed Dutch boy. 


Not that I believe ANYTHING Tacopina says
But I'd just read this today and didn't remember the statement at the time, so I thought I put it out here since it was mentioned.   

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/17/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Arrest in Aruba Connected to Holloway Disappearance
Aired April 17, 2006 - 21:00   ET

SNIP

TACOPINA: No. I mean, you know, I guess if Joran knows someone who knows someone who knows this kid therefore they have a relationship is that logic? But, Star, Joran doesn't know Steve Croes. I mean you see, I mean people are willing to connect dots here.

And it seems to me that, look, Joran had every right to be investigated to the degree he was. You know he should have been the main suspect to start with and he should have been going forward. But, it's been eleven months, three countries, Star, have investigated this. There is no evidence pointing to him.

As a matter of fact, there's evidence exonerating him and it's time to start following the other leads, like predators on the beach who have been identified and there are sketches of, like individuals who maybe have some clothing that were found with, you know, forensic evidence of value, who have other things that I think would be a person of interest, like a relationship in the sense that there was a connection between this individual and Natalee before she ever met Joran.

This individual, this young kid, Geoffrey, is the blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy that Natalee was so smitten with. So, you know, here's what I'm saying. I don't know if this amounts to a hill of beans or another false lead or he's just a witness. All I'm saying is buckle our seat belts here. This may be, Star, a watershed mark in this case, a watershed mark in this investigation.

[klaasend]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

From Pelham meeting, October 28, 2006.  Posted at BFN.

General Questions and Answers - Answers provided by Beth, Dave and Art Wood

snipped...

10.  Association with GVC?  NO association with him except on the 27th at C & C's he slapped her on the rear.

9.  Is there a Blue Eyed Dutch Boy?  NO, there is no blue eyed Dutch boy. 


Not that I believe ANYTHING Tacopina says
But I'd just read this today and didn't remember the statement at the time, so I thought I put it out here since it was mentioned.   

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/17/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Arrest in Aruba Connected to Holloway Disappearance
Aired April 17, 2006 - 21:00   ET

SNIP

TACOPINA: No. I mean, you know, I guess if Joran knows someone who knows someone who knows this kid therefore they have a relationship is that logic? But, Star, Joran doesn't know Steve Croes. I mean you see, I mean people are willing to connect dots here.

And it seems to me that, look, Joran had every right to be investigated to the degree he was. You know he should have been the main suspect to start with and he should have been going forward. But, it's been eleven months, three countries, Star, have investigated this. There is no evidence pointing to him.

As a matter of fact, there's evidence exonerating him and it's time to start following the other leads, like predators on the beach who have been identified and there are sketches of, like individuals who maybe have some clothing that were found with, you know, forensic evidence of value, who have other things that I think would be a person of interest, like a relationship in the sense that there was a connection between this individual and Natalee before she ever met Joran.

This individual, this young kid, Geoffrey, is the blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy that Natalee was so smitten with. So, you know, here's what I'm saying. I don't know if this amounts to a hill of beans or another false lead or he's just a witness. All I'm saying is buckle our seat belts here. This may be, Star, a watershed mark in this case, a watershed mark in this investigation.

Keep in mind those are JoeT's words and he's FOS 99% of the time.

[texasmom]

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1525&Itemid=30PUBLICO A DUNA HENDRIK CROES UN “BUU” HISTORICO       
Thursday, 13 March 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Gobierno a core entabla caso contra trahadornan den manifestacion, pa asina percura pa Toren di Control di Aeropuerto no keda sin personal.

E caso sumario a tuma lugar den Sala Temporal di Corte na Wayaca. Mayoria di manifestante tambe a move pa bay warda e sentencia.

Cu un cara di alegria por a mira momento cu e masa a hala cerca di e porta di oficina di Corte na Wayaca caminda cu di paden di e porta caba por a mira señora Magaly Brito cu mannan na laira saludando tur su manifestantenan mustrandonan cu señal cu nan a sali victorioso.

Por bisa cu di parti di Gobierno e abogado cu a representa gobierno esta sr. Hendrik Seferino Croes no a haya un bon bini cerca e manifestantenan. E gritonan di “buu” ta parce di a laga e homber tur zonza. Y durante cu prensa tabata cla pa haci entrevista cune, e masa tabata aumenta nan voz y grite bay goal.

Aki sr. Croes no tabata kier a duna entrevista tampoco, y haciendo imitacion di un lider, e tabata pone su dede dilanti boca, haciendo comosifuera cu ta cu mucha chikito e ta anda, y ta bisa nan pa keda keto.
Ta mas furioso e multitud a bira!

Ora cu porfin sonido a mengua djis un tiki, el a djis habri boca y bisa cu e no tin ningun comentario. Tremendo espectaculo.
Tog despues el a bisa algo, cu tog no por a worde comprendi pa ningun hende. Acaso ta asina e ta papia dilanti Huez tambe, y pesey Corte lo no ta compronde?

Anto net Hendrik Seferino Croes, kende ta actua como un persona hopi meti den clero... a dicidi na viola un di e reglanan di Bijbel: No mag di discrimina! El a baha y a bisa claramente, en vivo, cu e no ta duna entrevista cu Nelson ‘Speed’ Andrade di DIARIO, ATV, y Canal 90.

Acaso e Bijbel di Hendrik Seferino Croes a “delete” e palabra discriminacion? Pero mas publico a bira loco riba dje, y desde awe e Abogado impopular aki tin di realiza cu su imagen den pueblo a cay drasticamente te na suelo. E criticanan cu el a tende den su direccion, a hasta manera lage tembla un tiki!

Riba e potret por mira momento cu e ta pone dede riba su boca y bisa publico “shhh”.


Not a clue what most of this article is about but one name JUMPED out at me!

   Hendrik Serferino Croes+Seferino Gregory Croes

ahhh haaa Finbar....



 

[texasmom]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

From Pelham meeting, October 28, 2006.  Posted at BFN.

General Questions and Answers - Answers provided by Beth, Dave and Art Wood

snipped...

10.  Association with GVC?  NO association with him except on the 27th at C & C's he slapped her on the rear.

9.  Is there a Blue Eyed Dutch Boy?  NO, there is no blue eyed Dutch boy. 


Not that I believe ANYTHING Tacopina says
But I'd just read this today and didn't remember the statement at the time, so I thought I put it out here since it was mentioned.   

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/17/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Arrest in Aruba Connected to Holloway Disappearance
Aired April 17, 2006 - 21:00   ET

SNIP

TACOPINA: No. I mean, you know, I guess if Joran knows someone who knows someone who knows this kid therefore they have a relationship is that logic? But, Star, Joran doesn't know Steve Croes. I mean you see, I mean people are willing to connect dots here.

And it seems to me that, look, Joran had every right to be investigated to the degree he was. You know he should have been the main suspect to start with and he should have been going forward. But, it's been eleven months, three countries, Star, have investigated this. There is no evidence pointing to him.

As a matter of fact, there's evidence exonerating him and it's time to start following the other leads, like predators on the beach who have been identified and there are sketches of, like individuals who maybe have some clothing that were found with, you know, forensic evidence of value, who have other things that I think would be a person of interest, like a relationship in the sense that there was a connection between this individual and Natalee before she ever met Joran.

This individual, this young kid, Geoffrey, is the blond-haired, blue-eyed Dutch boy that Natalee was so smitten with. So, you know, here's what I'm saying. I don't know if this amounts to a hill of beans or another false lead or he's just a witness. All I'm saying is buckle our seat belts here. This may be, Star, a watershed mark in this case, a watershed mark in this investigation.

Keep in mind those are JoeT's words and he's FOS 99% of the time.

Maybe I should have bolded my disclaimer at the beginning
The reason I put it out there at all is that I think HE could have been interested in Natalee, having seen her in C & C's, on the beach, wherever during her stay.  Whether she was attracted to him or not.  I've not eliminated the possiblility that GVC could be the 5th and found it interesting that the statement was made.  I find it very hard to believe that JVDS and GVC did not know each other at all.  "Everybody knows everybody."  They may not have been friends in my opinion because they both seem to be full of themselves and would be too competitive to run around together.  The person that described the 5th could have been misinformed about the relationship between he and Natalee, as well as Tacopina.  JMO

[sharon]

O/T

FYI - I'm in the middle of tryng to set up my PC in another room.  We are going to be doing some work at the house (foundation repair). So things will be interresting for me for the next couple months.  Staying here in the back rooms while they do the work.

Good lord!

And Good Luck 

My advice -- ear plugs and face mask 


Avoid Aruba as if your life depends on it.....it does
Justice for Natalee

[Blonde]

if it was a translation from a dutch post mn could mean mijn/my

for example: was dat mn broers verjaardag
                  was that my brothers birthday

Maybe it was Lorenzo's little brothers birthday? 

Lorenzo has an *underground* room in his house...it is known as the *rave party club* it is known to contain a lot of vid. equipment...supposedly...an item of Natalee's clothing was found there...Why?

He had a fortress with cameras,dogs,barb wire and guns and likes to party/do drugs so I would imagine he probably did some pretty twisted stuff at these partys. He use to be a DJ and has a miniclub and a Disco downstairs..Thats all I have seen that was true so far..LVR has a reputation of being more of a sinister person then someone powerful,thats the impression I got from reading everything on him.

If we can connect this guy to Mr.Pink it would be big and I think a big missing piece if it is true. Or even perhaps a little brother with his birthday on May 29th,that would be interesting as well.

This Dissapointed Aruban has been right on the money with what he told us about LVR so far.
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Lorenzo's father killed himslef shortly after finding out about his cheating wife and the divorce papers on the way, plus he had a depression issue. Don't post if you don't know your facts.
Two days before his death, Paul (Lorenzo's dad) was looking a bit down and was talking about fixing everything.
Lorenzo did not kill Natalee, he wouldn't waste his time on a girl like that. He's got better things to do, like getting high, throwing parties, hosting his parties, and spend most of his time in the VIP booth in that miniclub he built on his property.
I think Joran and Deepak are the main suspects here.
Realdebbie:
I happen to know the ex-husband of the woman's sister. It is said she probably had help doing so, you will find it in my previous post somewhere.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:29 AM
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Lorenzo's dad commit suicide. His wife and younger son found his body hanging on a rope in the living room at their home in Savaneta. They say that house is cursed because before the Van Rijns moved in there a baby had drowned in the swimming pool and there are rumors of a previous suicide as well.
Lorenzo isn't feared here! Lol.
Everyone knows him as the cool guy who likes parties. Most people like him or suck up to him becuase he's got great cars, big house with a mini nightclub, lots of cash and always the life of the party. Lorenzo doesn't have a problem getting girls, they're waiting in line for him.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 10:39 AM

Has his own boat, I had mentioned him previously.
But, they did bring him in twice, searched his boat, his house, his car and no forensics.
This is a little more complicated than I can fully explain here, let's just say it has always bothered me why they didn't question him like they questioned Joran, and leave it at that for the moment, OK?
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 16, 2005 10:07:43 PM

[Rob]

Good Morning,

*******, TJ Ward told me that FBI got interested in Paul Brough and his phone records because of posters on the net. They did not know of him previously. The FBI then subpoenaed his records.

Who is the fifth suspect? To me, this is Paulus. It has to be in my opinion.

I believe Grande is correct and Clyde Burke is Simian and had access to the PVs hot off the presses and he participated in some of them. As we all know there are PVs that have not seen the light of day. It would be possible that Paulus or Joran said there was a small party a their house and Clyde Burke had intimate knowledge of that specific PV. This is also another reason to steer the crime scene away from the Sloot house of horrors.

It does not make it a fact, but it could be possible that Paulus discovered he needed an alibi when he was discovered on that casino video after he claimed to have left. A small party could have been his first line of deceit. He could have then realized that was not going to work and there would be questions for that people attending this small party.

Then Paulus shifts or changes his statement to insulate himself and involves Sebastian. A reason for involving Sebastian could be that he did not think Sebastian would be questioned due to his age and family relationship. That would have then shifted any questioning to the Zeollas*.

Again, just theory here, but possible.

[WhiskeyGirl]

OK. I have a question...what night was it that GVC groped Natalee?  Was it in CnC's?  What night was it that Natalee had to escorted back to her hotel room because she was so woozy? TIA

From Pelham meeting, October 28, 2006.  Posted at BFN.

General Questions and Answers - Answers provided by Beth, Dave and Art Wood

snipped...

9.  Is there a Blue Eyed Dutch Boy?  NO, there is no blue eyed Dutch boy. 

10.  Association with GVC?  NO association with him except on the 27th at C & C's he slapped her on the rear.

GVC never caught my notice as being involved.  I put him in the same category as Michael Dompig.  They are family of case related people.  Perhaps their involvement is to keep the case related people quiet.  mo

I remember reading posts of pro-Joran posters linking GVC to all kinds of things, implying he was +++++++ or autistic, was a danger in every place he worked, impulsive, etc.  I see him as a diversion character.

I also remember reading about some kind of threat to Michael Dompig, that someone would implicate him.  I think that was a warning to his father.  Perhaps the father of GVC is a greater risk to the house of cards, and therefore his son got arrested.  I wonder if the GVC family wishes they never moved to "One Happy Island"?  jmho

[WhiskeyGirl]

Spring break trip includes sun, sand, Mom and Dad

By ERIN RICHARDS
erichards@journalsentinel.com

Posted: March 21, 2008

snip
Jayne Massopust said she and other parents certainly worry about a repeat of an incident like 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in May 2005, but the trip is always preceded by a talk about the reality of the country they're in, and how to stay safe.

"The biggest thing is, it's not like they get up and we never see them for a week," Jayne Massopust added.

In the months leading up to spring break, details of New Berlin's unofficial trip spread through town like an Internet virus.

Two or three tight-knit New Berlin families usually book an all-inclusive trip well ahead of the spring break planning rush, parent Vickie Ruhland explained Friday. Then those families' children tell their friends, who often are able to persuade their parents to book at the same place. Students whose parents don't take the trip are paired up with other families.

Like last year's group, this year's spring break travelers are made up largely of Eisenhower students and families, though some are from New Berlin West or Catholic Memorial High School in Waukesha.

Ruhland said that almost all the parents know each other at least by sight, and the trip gives them a break from the brutal Wisconsin winter while the kids are off having fun. All the parents interviewed said they preferred going to Mexico for spring break because the weather was more consistently warm this time of year than spring break destinations in Florida.

Acknowledging that alcohol is easily obtainable for minors at most Mexican resorts, Eisenhower senior Ryan Massopust said that most of the students really do behave themselves. You don't want to take advantage of the gift, he said, and besides, whatever you do that's really embarrassing is going to be seen by everyone.

But what about traveling with your parents? Isn't that still considered uncool?

"That mentality is changing," Ryan Massopust said. "You'd rather go somewhere with your parents rather than nowhere at all."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=731012