Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 - 3/25/08

[Rob]

HI OE, hey a quick question, sorry if it's been asked before.

Was there any plastic found in the trap?

[Observer]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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{EDITED}

I agree with most of this.

Now I bring the phone call in again and everyone will get pissed but guess what this is what I believe so I will say it.  Natalee got a phone call off.  They realized she got this call off and all hell broke lose.  ALL OF THEM ARE IN TROUBLE if she gets away.  So Joran goes bezerk and does Guido help his friend.  Guido looks like a little nasty @#%$.  In fact they are all nasty rapists.

We have all questioned why Sander lost his phone.  Was this a lie to make people get off the track of whose phone was really used.  Whose phone did Natalee use.  I say she was at the Sloot dump when she got access to a phone.  Why was Paulus using Anita's phone.

I totally agree with both of you! It was a Pimp party for sure and they all panicked,covered up and agreed not to mention anyone else except JK2 when something bad happened. Why involve others when JK2 were the only ones seen with NH? The PV'S,phone records and witnesses tell the story and it's all on record despite the cover up. That cell-phone triangulation from Jan VDS is worthless,he might as well done that in crayon and at some point they were definetly at the VDS residence with Natalee. I remember like it was yesterday hearing beth,charles and jossy talking about the phone call that never happened.

I will bet it all that Natalee was at the Van Der Sloot house and Paul Van Der SLoot and his Son are up to his eyeballs in this.

[Blonde]

I sound like a broken record -- but, our FBI KNOWS. THEY DO NOT COMMENT ON ANYTHING!  (which is good)
I still think their "inaction" is really a tool to ferret out ALL those involved. It's better for them to not "tip their hand."
I still think it is "odd" that Beth didn't seem bothered that "The Persistence" went home.

Wreck I think Beth's had some piece hearing Joran's confession

Rob I sure would like the answer to there being plastic in that cage too.

[Blonde]

*******  can you email me at this email address I used for SM Thanks

[San]

I sound like a broken record -- but, our FBI KNOWS. THEY DO NOT COMMENT ON ANYTHING!  (which is good)
I still think their "inaction" is really a tool to ferret out ALL those involved. It's better for them to not "tip their hand."
I still think it is "odd" that Beth didn't seem bothered that "The Persistence" went home.

Wreck you don't sound like a broken record.  I agree with everything you said especially the part about not tipping their hand.  I am a firm believer that when the time comes and it's coming the rug will be pulled right from under their feet and they aren't going to know what hit them and I will enjoy every minute.

[Tamikosmom]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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I have always felt that there are distinct events that need to be considered.  Not the same set of players for all events.  I've always wondered about the "see that shit" comment from the van conversation.   Did some one write vile things on her unconscious body?  That seemed to be quite common in rape/filming as noted in court cases of young people at around the same time.  It seemed to be the "pimp" thing to do.  An accidental dead body is one thing, but to find it covered in graffiti and other evidence is another.  mo

San ... you could be right but ... I speculate that the term "all that shit" is a reference by Deepak to the DNA from the gang rape at the VDS' residence that occurred prior to Natalee demise.

I also believe that there would have been evidence of an injury.  When the "heavy battery" suspicion is labeled against "only" Guido ... I believe that he was the cause of this injury.

Think about it.  An overdose would have implied that 911 assistance would have been requested or ... Natalee would have just been left on the beach.  Only injuries and/or DNA evidence would warranted the "disappearance" of Natalee's remains.

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting for Paulus' arrival when they were observed by the gardener sitting in Deepak's vehicle.

IMO

Janet.

[San]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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{EDITED}

I agree with most of this.

Now I bring the phone call in again and everyone will get pissed but guess what this is what I believe so I will say it.  Natalee got a phone call off.  They realized she got this call off and all hell broke lose.  ALL OF THEM ARE IN TROUBLE if she gets away.  So Joran goes bezerk and does Guido help his friend.  Guido looks like a little nasty @#%$.  In fact they are all nasty rapists.

We have all questioned why Sander lost his phone.  Was this a lie to make people get off the track of whose phone was really used.  Whose phone did Natalee use.  I say she was at the Sloot dump when she got access to a phone.  Why was Paulus using Anita's phone.

I totally agree with both of you! It was a Pimp party for sure and they all panicked,covered up and agreed not to mention anyone else except JK2 when something bad happened. Why involve others when JK2 were the only ones seen with NH? The PV'S,phone records and witnesses tell the story and it's all on record despite the cover up. That cell-phone triangulation from Jan VDS is worthless,he might as well done that in crayon and at some point they were definetly at the VDS residence with Natalee. I remember like it was yesterday hearing beth,charles and jossy talking about the phone call that never happened.

I will bet it all that Natalee was at the Van Der Sloot house and Paul Van Der SLoot and his Son are up to his eyeballs in this.

Bingo.  This is why Freddy doesn't need to tell the truth because he wasn't seen.  This is why GVC got off because he wasn't seen.  This is why Guido got off because he wasn't seen.  If you weren't seen you aren't involved plain and simple.

At the end of the day the only people we were seen and it is a proven fact were Joran, Satish, Deepak & Paulus hitting on Natalee at the casino.

[San]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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I have always felt that there are distinct events that need to be considered.  Not the same set of players for all events.  I've always wondered about the "see that shit" comment from the van conversation.   Did some one write vile things on her unconscious body?  That seemed to be quite common in rape/filming as noted in court cases of young people at around the same time.  It seemed to be the "pimp" thing to do.  An accidental dead body is one thing, but to find it covered in graffiti and other evidence is another.  mo

San ... you could be right but ... I speculate that the term "all that shit" is a reference by Deepak to the DNA from the gang rape at the VDS' residence that occurred prior to Natalee demise.

I also believe that there would have been evidence of an injury.  When the "heavy battery" suspicion is labeled against "only" Guido ... I believe that he was the cause of this injury.

Think about it.  An overdose would have implied that 911 assistance would have been requested or ... Natalee would have just been left on the beach.  Only injuries and/or DNA evidence would warranted the "disappearance" of Natalee's remains.

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting for Paulus' arrival when they were observed by the gardener sitting in Deepak's vehicle.
IMO

Janet.

Janet, I believe their was a ton of DNA found in Joran's apartment and Aruba covered it up.  They will never admit that they found her DNA in the Van der Sloot dump.

How about this one.  Joran severely injures Natalee and Paulus says bring her into the main house.  Now her DNA is in both places of the property and this is why they refused to let the main house be searched because Paulus would be aware.

[Observer]

*******  can you email me at this email address I used for SM Thanks

Hello Blonde,I can't access emails of members here but if you give it to Klaas she can email me..Ill be gone for a few hours but I can email you later tonight.

[Tamikosmom]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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I have always felt that there are distinct events that need to be considered.  Not the same set of players for all events.  I've always wondered about the "see that shit" comment from the van conversation.   Did some one write vile things on her unconscious body?  That seemed to be quite common in rape/filming as noted in court cases of young people at around the same time.  It seemed to be the "pimp" thing to do.  An accidental dead body is one thing, but to find it covered in graffiti and other evidence is another.  mo

San ... you could be right but ... I speculate that the term "all that shit" is a reference by Deepak to the DNA from the gang rape at the VDS' residence that occurred prior to Natalee demise.

I also believe that there would have been evidence of an injury.  When the "heavy battery" suspicion is labeled against "only" Guido ... I believe that he was the cause of this injury.

Think about it.  An overdose would have implied that 911 assistance would have been requested or ... Natalee would have just been left on the beach.  Only injuries and/or DNA evidence would warranted the "disappearance" of Natalee's remains.

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting for Paulus' arrival when they were observed by the gardener sitting in Deepak's vehicle.
IMO

Janet.

Janet, I believe their was a ton of DNA found in Joran's apartment and Aruba covered it up.  They will never admit that they found her DNA in the Van der Sloot dump.

How about this one.  Joran severely injures Natalee and Paulus says bring her into the main house.  Now her DNA is in both places of the property and this is why they refused to let the main house be searched because Paulus would be aware.

The reason that I do not believe that Paulus was involved until after he was summoned to the beach is ... the gardener's observation ... the observation that implies that Joran, Deepak were in the vicinity of the Marriot beach.

San ... I would love to dialogue this topic but ... it will have to be another time.  Cousin and wife from Alberta who arrived at 1:30 am this morning have just returned from a business meeting in a nearby community and ... now hubby and I have them all to ourselves.

 

Have a good day and a nice Easter.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

[San]

The reason that I do not believe that Paulus was involved until after he was summoned to the beach is ... the gardener's observation ... the observation that implies that Joran, Deepak were in the vicinity of the Marriot beach.

San ... I would love to dialogue this topic but ... it will have to be another time.  Cousin and wife from Alberta who arrived at 1:30 am this morning have just returned from a business meeting in a nearby community and ... now hubby and I have them all to ourselves.

 

Have a good day and a nice Easter.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

Have a good day with your cousin and his wife and a wonderful Easter.

[JE]

My theory adheres to the theory that Paulus van der Sloot became  a participant only after the "something bad" happened to Natalee Holloway.  I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting on Paulus' arrival when the garderner observed them sitting in Deepak's vehicle which was parked by the Racquet Ball Club across from the Marriott Beach.

However ... I do believe there was a gathering of the pimps at the VDS'.  Freddy was waiting with his camera when Joran, Deepak and Satish brought a drugged Natalee back to his residence.  Guido arrived shortly after in his own vehicle.  I contend that this is where the "something bad" happened and ... I believe that Guido was the perpetrator.

Janet

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I have always felt that there are distinct events that need to be considered.  Not the same set of players for all events.  I've always wondered about the "see that shit" comment from the van conversation.   Did some one write vile things on her unconscious body?  That seemed to be quite common in rape/filming as noted in court cases of young people at around the same time.  It seemed to be the "pimp" thing to do.  An accidental dead body is one thing, but to find it covered in graffiti and other evidence is another.  mo

San ... you could be right but ... I speculate that the term "all that shit" is a reference by Deepak to the DNA from the gang rape at the VDS' residence that occurred prior to Natalee demise.

I also believe that there would have been evidence of an injury.  When the "heavy battery" suspicion is labeled against "only" Guido ... I believe that he was the cause of this injury.

Think about it.  An overdose would have implied that 911 assistance would have been requested or ... Natalee would have just been left on the beach.  Only injuries and/or DNA evidence would warranted the "disappearance" of Natalee's remains.

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

I contend that Joran, Deepak and (?) were waiting for Paulus' arrival when they were observed by the gardener sitting in Deepak's vehicle.
IMO

Janet.

Janet, I believe their was a ton of DNA found in Joran's apartment and Aruba covered it up.  They will never admit that they found her DNA in the Van der Sloot dump.

How about this one.  Joran severely injures Natalee and Paulus says bring her into the main house.  Now her DNA is in both places of the property and this is why they refused to let the main house be searched because Paulus would be aware.

The reason that I do not believe that Paulus was involved until after he was summoned to the beach is ... the gardener's observation ... the observation that implies that Joran, Deepak were in the vicinity of the Marriot beach.

San ... I would love to dialogue this topic but ... it will have to be another time.  Cousin and wife from Alberta who arrived at 1:30 am this morning have just returned from a business meeting in a nearby community and ... now hubby and I have them all to ourselves.

 

Have a good day and a nice Easter.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

If something bad happened at the VDS residence (not saying it didnt) why would they take her to the beach in the first place? If she had injuries/DNA she might have gone to the police herself after she slept it off.

[San]

Janet, I believe their was a ton of DNA found in Joran's apartment and Aruba covered it up.  They will never admit that they found her DNA in the Van der Sloot dump.

How about this one.  Joran severely injures Natalee and Paulus says bring her into the main house.  Now her DNA is in both places of the property and this is why they refused to let the main house be searched because Paulus would be aware.

The reason that I do not believe that Paulus was involved until after he was summoned to the beach is ... the gardener's observation ... the observation that implies that Joran, Deepak were in the vicinity of the Marriot beach.

San ... I would love to dialogue this topic but ... it will have to be another time.  Cousin and wife from Alberta who arrived at 1:30 am this morning have just returned from a business meeting in a nearby community and ... now hubby and I have them all to ourselves.

 

Have a good day and a nice Easter.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

If something bad happened at the VDS residence (not saying it didnt) why would they take her to the beach in the first place? If she had injuries/DNA she might have gone to the police herself after she slept it off.

I never believed she was taken to the beach.  If she was taken to the beach it was to put her out to sea but I am a believer that she is on land.

If she were to go to the police she would have been treated like every other victim that was raped and brutalized on Aruba.  THEY WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING.  THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN A STATEMENT AND SAID GO CATCH YOUR PLANE AND DON'T CALL US WE'LL CALL YOU.

[Buckeye]

JE

I think the usual is that on the last night, GHB is used (or possibly some home concoction) that has amnesic properties.  If a "drunk" girl complains about "vague" memories (to the beach patrol or hotel security, because the real police are not easy to contact), the locals have a group (3 or more) to say they dropped her at her hotel.  Problems this time, Steve Croes says he saw them.  Many played the tourist game.  Young girl doesn't want to miss flight, is embarrassed and goes home.  Something bad happened this time (Natalee "seized" and died), drop off to be near hotel with room to permit other perp availability....but the gardener saw them removing "the other guy" possibility so Natalee was disposed.

[JE]

@ San and Buckeye I agree with the both of you on the way she would have been treated by the police, and the not going to the police because of shame. And the effects of GBH and the likes. What i meant is that i doubt they ever went to the beach. I doubt they would drop a visibly injured girl on the beach and leave her there. Drugged raped maybe but not with visual signs of violence. So if we use the left at beach scenario: drugged-probable, raped-probable, injured-not likely. If she was a victim of drugs and rape and died on the way to the beach. Then joran could call PVDS or anyone and make body dissapear or do it himself. But.... Then why not say it was an accident, I put her in the sea, take the blame and do 6 months in the can and be done with it. Remember the police car tape? The Kalpoes said to J if they find her you'll get 15 years. In dutch law that is about the maximum penalty. You dont get 15 years for drugging and raping someone... You get 15 years for murder. The only reason i can think of why he never admitted to "just" making the body dissapear is that he, or they, are not totaly sure the body will never be found.

[WhiskeyGirl]

"It's a nightmare for us, too," said Anita van der Sloot, whose son, 17, is in jail in connection with the disappearance.

Sometimes too emotional to speak, Anita described how prison guards were putting "a lot of pressure" on Joran during interrogations, some of which lasted "10 hours."

The questioners did "things like calling him 'psychopath, murderer, tell us where you buried the girl. You're a criminal. I can't beat you, but if I could beat you I would do this.' … Extreme things," said Anita.

"'Mom, don't worry ... the truth will come forward and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl,'" said Joran, according to his mother. "He was so strong. And I believe in him. I believe so in him."

When asked if Joran had ever been involved in drugs, Anita said: "A hundred percent, no."

George Twitty said that in the initial days after the teen's disappearance, Paul van der Sloot — and one of two Surinamese brothers arrested with Joran van der Sloot — advised his son not to talk to her family.

"He and the other boy kept saying 'you say nothing,'" Twitty said. "I know that the father and I know that the son knows a lot more than they're saying."

Beth Holloway Twitty has insisted that the three know what happened to her daughter and that police should press them harder to tell the truth. She has asked why the three were initially released after only a couple of hours of questioning, and arrested more than a week later.

Anita van der Sloot also questioned that tactic. She told FOX News: "Joran should have been interrogated from the beginning. But they let the kids go."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160412,00.html

[WhiskeyGirl]

Van Zandt: Father knows best, at least in Aruba

Former FBI profiler updates the Natalee Holloway case

COMMENTARY
By Clint Van Zandt
MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler
Updated: 10:51 a.m. ET Sept. 19, 2005

Three and a half months ago, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway stepped into a car with Dutchman Joran van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and drove off into the night, on what may well have been her last night on earth.  We all know the story, one that cable television has told and retold:  pretty, smart high school graduate goes missing while on a school trip to the happy island of Aruba.  On the last night of her trip Natalee visited a well-known tourist trap and bar, Carlos ‘N Charlie’s.  Any local worth his salt can tell you that women can be found there who might drink a little too much.  In a worst case scenario, a woman might even be convinced to accompany complete strangers on a trip around the island, perhaps visiting upon herself a horror that she could never have anticipated. 

While recently in Aruba, I spoke to people who told me about predators on certain exotic islands who look for young and not so young women that are spending their last night on such an island paradise.  The game plan, so I’m told, is to find an intoxicated woman, or get a woman drunk, or to drug the woman.  Then while intoxicated, drugged, or both; the victim, with little or no strength or ability to resist, is next taken to a lonely location, possibly gang raped, and then dumped back at or near her hotel.  Were such a victim to report that she had been assaulted, local authorities would then tell her that the investigation would require her to miss her plane ride home or her cruise ship away from the island.  Further, the victim is told that her life will be turned upside down by the subsequent investigation.  Most women get the message – accept your fate and move on with your life.  Score: predators 1, victim 0.

In the case of Natalee Holloway, I saw a confession that Joran van der Sloot had allegedly given to four Aruban police officers, one of many of the so called confessions or different versions of his story, concerning the night Natalee disappeared.  In this statement van der Sloot said Deepak Kalpoe sexually assaulted, murdered, and buried Natalee.  In another statement Joran allegedly said that he took Natalee to his house (he lives in an apartment detached from his parent’s residence in a middle class area of Aruba) where he had sex with the teenage girl while she was semiconscious.  Joran then said he took Natalee to a beach close to her hotel, near the so-called “fisherman’s hut,” where he allegedly left her passed out or asleep on the sand.  (I’ve visited the “fisherman’s hut”; it is in fact a few small shacks, where fishermen clean their catch.  These shacks provide no protection from the elements or from any potential predator or assailant.) 

Then, of course, there’s Joran, Deepak, and Satish’s original story, that they dropped her off back in front of her hotel.  Lies, lie, and more lies.  What’s the truth guys?

We now know that Deepak, who referred to Natalee Holloway as “a slut” in a recent tape recorded interview, also allegedly stated on tape that he, his brother Satish and Joran van der Sloot all had sex with Natalee the night she disappeared.  Deepak also acknowledged that Ecstasy is used to drug women in Aruba.

Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, a woman who only wants to know what happened to her daughter, told me that Joran had provided police with intimate physical details concerning Natalee that would support some aspects of his confession to having had sex with Natalee.  I am quick to acknowledge that consensual sex has nothing to do with any allegation of murder.  At age 18, Natalee could, if in full control of her mind and body, have a relationship with Jordan and even the Kalpoe brothers, but do the authorities seriously think that she had the ability to say no that night?   
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9398540

[JE]

a lil stupid fun
imagine bobby brown is J
http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dw8y0JLPQl94

[dennisintn]

@ San and Buckeye I agree with the both of you on the way she would have been treated by the police, and the not going to the police because of shame. And the effects of GBH and the likes. What i meant is that i doubt they ever went to the beach. I doubt they would drop a visibly injured girl on the beach and leave her there. Drugged raped maybe but not with visual signs of violence. So if we use the left at beach scenario: drugged-probable, raped-probable, injured-not likely. If she was a victim of drugs and rape and died on the way to the beach. Then joran could call PVDS or anyone and make body dissapear or do it himself. But.... Then why not say it was an accident, I put her in the sea, take the blame and do 6 months in the can and be done with it. Remember the police car tape? The Kalpoes said to J if they find her you'll get 15 years. In dutch law that is about the maximum penalty. You dont get 15 years for drugging and raping someone... You get 15 years for murder. The only reason i can think of why he never admitted to "just" making the body dissapear is that he, or they, are not totaly sure the body will never be found.

one thing has been made perfectly clear, jvds can be damn sure the arubans themselves will never find natalee unless she jumps up on nelson's desk and screams at him.  his insecurity will last only as long as natalee's family puts the pressure on them by continuing to look for her themselves, with as much help and support as we can be to them.
dennisintn

[Destiny]

Janet, I believe their was a ton of DNA found in Joran's apartment and Aruba covered it up.  They will never admit that they found her DNA in the Van der Sloot dump.

How about this one.  Joran severely injures Natalee and Paulus says bring her into the main house.  Now her DNA is in both places of the property and this is why they refused to let the main house be searched because Paulus would be aware.

The reason that I do not believe that Paulus was involved until after he was summoned to the beach is ... the gardener's observation ... the observation that implies that Joran, Deepak were in the vicinity of the Marriot beach.

San ... I would love to dialogue this topic but ... it will have to be another time.  Cousin and wife from Alberta who arrived at 1:30 am this morning have just returned from a business meeting in a nearby community and ... now hubby and I have them all to ourselves.

 

Have a good day and a nice Easter.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I contend when Natalee was taken to the Marriot beach after the "something bad" happened at the VDS' residence ... it was with the intention of leaving her  ... letting her sleep off the effects of the drugs and ... make her own way back to the hotel to catch her plane home.

However ... when it was determined at the beach that Natalee appeared to be deceased and ... the incriminating evidence (injury/DNA) was considered ... Joran contacted Paulus.

If something bad happened at the VDS residence (not saying it didnt) why would they take her to the beach in the first place? If she had injuries/DNA she might have gone to the police herself after she slept it off.

I never believed she was taken to the beach.  If she was taken to the beach it was to put her out to sea but I am a believer that she is on land.

If she were to go to the police she would have been treated like every other victim that was raped and brutalized on Aruba.  THEY WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING.  THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN A STATEMENT AND SAID GO CATCH YOUR PLANE AND DON'T CALL US WE'LL CALL YOU.

San...I don't think that Natalee...was ever meant...to go home...
I think the PIMPS....screwed up the whole *game plan*...."Joran, what have you done"....