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« on: March 23, 2008, 10:43:27 AM »

Decided we needed a new thread.  Here is a link to the last page of the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3820
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 11:07:42 AM »

Ahhhh!  Nice new furniture!! Did you paint too? 
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 11:24:23 AM »

Ahhhh!  Nice new furniture!! Did you paint too? 

LOL, yes and I added the other codetalker threads as well.  Let me know if I missed any.  I think this will make it easier for you guys, don't you?

Edited to add:  When the you guys get the "index" done, I can add it to the last post of the previous Shango thread and also create a separate thread for the index.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 11:51:16 AM »

This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 12:15:59 PM »

This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 12:31:17 PM »

This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.

I don't know, Klaas. Sorry.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 12:38:27 PM »

This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.

I don't know, Klaas. Sorry.

I found some of the posts and started a thread.  If we find more posts we can add.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2008, 12:58:23 PM »

Thanks Lala's.

We know that SGC can't really consider his residence with his Grandparents to be his "house" per se, especially for pimp parties.  PIGS.  These perverts identify their prey, that I am convinced.  Makes a lot of sense that only those that were "seen" would be the ones that would be "officially processed".

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING when seeing all those pictures on TV my American media "FREE OF CHARGE", after all it's just a girl who has no value on LieAruba, when processing LieRuba's position on anything GREED & 30 years ago (minimum) in USA is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.  Third world environment where sexism, barbarism, perversion, elitism, etc thrive through ignorance & passiveness of the majority.  A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005.  Of course none of this can be proven by us but our authorities???????.

There is something MAJOR about all those holding positions of authority pupetting the "official talking points" by their actions.  This can not be ignored.

Appreciate all of the efforts extended by all of you.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2008, 01:27:41 PM »

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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Quote from: klaasend on March 22, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
NO posting of real life names.  If you see something like that please let me know.  You can report the post and all the Moderators will see the problem.  Please don't continue to quote it as it just makes more work for us.

I will stake my life on it that Arubagirl IS NOT Simian.


I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names.  In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data.  In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data.  The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription.  This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX.  I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity.  I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us.  I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs.  Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited.  When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person.  I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site.  There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures.  Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones.  I am out of here.



I wanted to make a comment on the above post that I copied over from the other thread.

It seems to me that there is a difference between (a)the people on Aruba who have their photos online, in newspapers, etc., on a regular basis due to their exploits and (b)the people on Aruba who simply want to live a normal, ordinary life. Many of the people who are discussed here (such as Steve Croes) have made themselves into minor celebrities of sorts by virtue of their willingness to have their faces on view on a daily basis. IMO, those folks have given up certain expectations to privacy, just as real celebrities do.

On the other hand, AG is simply a young woman living on Aruba who pursues her day-to-day quietly and privately. While she does have an internet blog where she records some of her thoughts and the photos she takes, she does not seek to have her name and face on public view every day. AG does what the rest of us do - she goes to work, goes to church, pursues her hobbies, spends time with her friends and family, etc. To me, that's the difference in how people are discussed here. The VDSs, the Kalpoes, Steve Croes, GVC, and many others have been suspects/witnesses/whatever in Natalee's case. They have been in the news for their involvement in the case and made statements that are now part of the public record. AG is a former SM poster who has not been shown to have any involvement in Natalee's case. For that reason, I say we try to respect her privacy.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2008, 01:39:05 PM »

Thanks Lala's.

We know that SGC can't really consider his residence with his Grandparents to be his "house" per se, especially for pimp parties.  PIGS.  These perverts identify their prey, that I am convinced.  Makes a lot of sense that only those that were "seen" would be the ones that would be "officially processed".

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING when seeing all those pictures on TV my American media "FREE OF CHARGE", after all it's just a girl who has no value on LieAruba, when processing LieRuba's position on anything GREED & 30 years ago (minimum) in USA is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.  Third world environment where sexism, barbarism, perversion, elitism, etc thrive through ignorance & passiveness of the majority.  A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005.  Of course none of this can be proven by us but our authorities???????.

There is something MAJOR about all those holding positions of authority pupetting the "official talking points" by their actions.  This can not be ignored.

Appreciate all of the efforts extended by all of you.

You are right.  There is something really strange and wrong about all those holding positions of authority and pulling strings of actions, or lack thereof.  Again, this should not, as you said, be ignored.  It is in and of itself indicative of some major spoilage and anti-American sentiment that seems pervasive throughout that region.  It is like we have been allowing our people to visit a country where the people in charge had just as soon see them dead after being robbed of their money and dignity.  jackb
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2008, 01:52:21 PM »

Quote from: SS
(in previous/locked codetalker thread/page 191 Reply #3813 on: Today at 08:39:08 AM)

I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names. In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data. In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data. The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription. This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX. I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity. I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us. I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs. Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited. When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person. I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures. Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones. I am out of here.

would like to add:
in 2005 one of arubagirl's sig lines
contained the link to her geneaology research.

occasionally, topic of ancestry came up in ongoing discussions
and she invited posters to click her geneaology link

after changing sig line, as many did back then/still do today ...
she sometimes posted her geneaology link as part of discussion,
inviting anyone to read there

perhaps some have forgotten this, which is understandable,
as we've all absorbed tons of info while following this case

it would appear that nefarious means were not a requirement
in locating the info recently commented upon w/ much emotion

to SS: please reconsider your decision to leave.
you have a fine mind and all of us here can benefit from your input

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2008, 02:03:44 PM »

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING ... A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005. 

yes

cuz I have no doubt that, if SGs had been successfully framed,
NH's body would have been produced/used to convict them

therefore, some involved in coverup knew where her body was ...
and they kept it hidden until the frame-up could play out (plan A)

can only imagine their reactions when that didn't happen,
leading to plan B, not LOL

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2008, 02:30:13 PM »

This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.


I have the complete posts.  They are listed in Shango 1.  We can just move them.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2008, 02:33:36 PM »

Shock the monkey posts are on page 112 of Shango 1.  Klaas, if you have time...thank you.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2008, 02:38:27 PM »

Quote from: SS
(in previous/locked codetalker thread/page 191 Reply #3813 on: Today at 08:39:08 AM)

I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names. In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data. In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data. The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription. This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX. I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity. I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us. I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs. Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited. When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person. I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures. Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones. I am out of here.

would like to add:
in 2005 one of arubagirl's sig lines
contained the link to her geneaology research.

occasionally, topic of ancestry came up in ongoing discussions
and she invited posters to click her geneaology link

after changing sig line, as many did back then/still do today ...
she sometimes posted her geneaology link as part of discussion,
inviting anyone to read there

perhaps some have forgotten this, which is understandable,
as we've all absorbed tons of info while following this case

it would appear that nefarious means were not a requirement
in locating the info recently commented upon w/ much emotion

to SS: please reconsider your decision to leave.
you have a fine mind and all of us here can benefit from your input



I should also add that I was the one that kept quoting everything...so I assumed the post was to me from Klaas and not any other poster.  I was not paying attention to all my quote stacks and that caused the problem.  Let's just carry on. We have work to do.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2008, 02:44:31 PM »

Shock the monkey posts are on page 112 of Shango 1.  Klaas, if you have time...thank you.

I think VMS already posted them in the ShocktheMonkey thread 
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2008, 03:11:54 PM »

Nice reorganisation Thx Klaas!!!
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2008, 04:15:39 PM »

It would be nice to have the Shango posts listed also...don'tcha think?  Did I miss them? 
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2008, 04:33:31 PM »

SS,
I just want you to know that I respect your investigative abilities and have enjoyed working with you here on SM.  I understand how you feel, believe me.  I'm going to leave it at that as far as what's occurred. 

I hope you will continue to assist in the quest to find answers for Natalee and her family, I appreciate your help.  I agree with Blonde, your work is wonderful!

And I apologize for referring to you as "he".  SS=    

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2008, 04:54:45 PM »

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
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Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


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