SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...while we are re-organizing the furniture, do you remember when Magnolia posted all the Shango posts? They are only up to the 28th. in the Shango/Simian thread. Do we need to take them over there from the old thread or just put a link?  TIA

They are here, right down the bottom of the page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.520

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

[Destiny]

Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

and...*nasty* little movies they are...

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

My guess would be that night club like place that maybe  the same as the whitehouse apts.  I am not sure. I think it may be that place that was on the Arubasillence site.  Actually, what does Dave's book say?  I don't have the book. Where is Janet when you need her? LOL

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, Mum we should add the other Simian posts.  I think I have a list of the fake ones too.  If it happens they are fake then we can get them deleted or moved to the fake place...wherever that is.

[MumInOhio]

Yes, Mum we should add the other Simian posts.  I think I have a list of the fake ones too.  If it happens they are fake then we can get them deleted or moved to the fake place...wherever that is.

Lala's...I added the Simian posts to the real Simian ones with the FP links so Klaas can look at them and delete if they are not really 'real'.

What about the Shango ones from 6/28 through 6/30 that Magnolia posted? TIA

[MumInOhio]

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING ... A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005. 

yes

cuz I have no doubt that, if SGs had been successfully framed,
NH's body would have been produced/used to convict them

therefore, some involved in coverup knew where her body was ...
and they kept it hidden until the frame-up could play out (plan A)

can only imagine their reactions when that didn't happen,
leading to plan B, not LOL

I totally agree with you on this...friends in high places!

[MumInOhio]

Thanks to SS and texasmom on all the research....I have one that I would really like you guys (gals) to work on....any guesses as to whom that would be....?

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

My guess would be that night club like place that maybe  the same as the whitehouse apts.  I am not sure. I think it may be that place that was on the Arubasillence site.  Actually, what does Dave's book say?  I don't have the book. Where is Janet when you need her? LOL

This from Pita in the NAH thread...again... Thank You Pita!

Reply #876 on: Today at 01:40:17 PM » Pita

This information can be found in Dave's book, page 52.

Summary:

Dave discusses a motel next door to the VIP Club.  He was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  The day Dave was there he heard girls were escorted in and out of the rooms.  He also heard somebody had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.  Dave said there was reason to believe that the Buddhist who Dave met at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to him.  The authorities were investigating this.  Nothing ever evolved from it.  Dave also heard this might be the place where Freddy alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  Freddy denied the charge, but admitted he was present when photos of the girl in "temping poses" were taken.

[Altruist]

SS and texasmom…I am a little confused on the Solognier/Solagnier names. Can either you help? Are they connected or are they two separated families? TIA

Altruist…there was discussion on the NAH thread about a party on the ‘Tattoo’ about a month or so ago. Klaas posted that there was one on the Saturday night, as the place where the after-party for the Soul Beach Festival became too crowded and some partied on the ‘Tattoo’. I have wondered if there was one on the Sunday as well, but if it was a big party, I’m sure we would have at least heard something from tourists.

Interesting that Aruba lost the Soul Beach Festival for 2006/2007 and appears to have it back this year, IIRC...what happened to 'no wampum for many years'?

Interesting isn't it Mum?  If there was a partay my thoughts are that it was scheduled for after closing time at C&C for PIMPS only, gang bang time.  Wouldn't surprise me if initiation of younger related PIGS could have been involved.  Remember at the time of the searching we were told that ALE had diver's looking around the Tatoo?  Me thinks everything out of the mouths should be reversed as this is LieRuba.

Island of PIGS, island of LIARS, island of INJUSTICE.

Wouldn't surprise me to learn PIMPS take a VOTE to determine the prey from the last night of an American tourist group of teens.

The first Saturday night of March 2008 there was a 48 Hours Mystery program that aired about young women who had disappeared in Japan.  Two young women 7 years apart had been the victim of the same predator whose method was to CHLOROFORM the prey, big surprise the predator was from an "influential family".  Another predator has been identified but who escaped capture & is believed to be in hiding with the aid of his "influential family".  PIGS exist everywhere & those that continue to ignore their participation & continue to treat them in a civilized manner are just as guilty as they are IMO.  THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR VICTIMIZING OF THE INNOCENT.  At least the authorities in Japan have sought to capture these predator's, not protect them.  The young women who fell victim to these perverts were in Japan to explore while teaching the English language, IIRC.

[Blonde]

On June 5, Aruban police detained Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, former security guards

On June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and/or murdering Holloway

John and Jones were released on June 13.

On June 11, David Cruz, spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice indicated that Natalee Holloway was dead and authorities knew the location of her body.

On Friday, June 17, a fourth person, later identified as disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes was also arrested

On June 22 Aruban police detained Van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot for questioning, and arrested him the same day

He was released on June 26 after agreeing to waive his right not to testify against his son.

Croes was released on June 27.

On Monday, July 4, a Judge Commissioner released Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, but they were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect, Freddy Arambatzis,

On September 3, 2005, all four of the detained suspects were released by a judge   September 14 all restrictions on them were removed by the Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba

On April 15, 2006, Geoffrey von Cromvoirt was arrested by Aruban authorities Von Cromvoirt was released on April 25, 2006

Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but was released the same day

On May 17, 2006, another suspect, Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban politician, was detained

he was  released on May 23, 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_holloway#Initial_arrests_.28June-August_2005.29

[MumInOhio]

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.
It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!

[Blonde]

Sorry that was hard to look at..

On June 5, Aruban police detained Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, former security guards

On June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and/or murdering Holloway

John and Jones were released on June 13.On June 11, David Cruz, spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice indicated that Natalee Holloway was dead and authorities knew the location of her body.

On Friday, June 17, a fourth person, later identified as disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes was also arrested

On June 22 Aruban police detained Van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot for questioning, and arrested him the same day

He was released on June 26 after agreeing to waive his right not to testify against his son.

Croes was released on June 27.

On Monday, July 4, a Judge Commissioner released Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, but they were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect, Freddy Arambatzis,

On September 3, 2005, all four of the detained suspects were released by a judge

 September 14 all restrictions on them were removed by the Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba

On April 15, 2006, Geoffrey von Cromvoirt was arrested by Aruban authorities

Von Cromvoirt was released on April 25, 2006

Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but was released the same day

On May 17, 2006, another suspect, Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban politician, was detained


he was  released on May 23, 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_holloway#Initial_arrests_.28June-August_2005.29
 

[Blonde]

Arrests in order

 1.
 2.
 3.June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested

 4.Steve Gregory Croes
 5.Paulus van der Sloot
 6. Deepak and Satish  Freddy Arambatzis,
 7.Geoffrey von Cromvoirt
 8.initials "A.B." was arrested  ???
 9. Guido Wever

[COLOMBO]

Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)

Good Morning...I think! I am not sure what a sunken WW2 sub has to do with a poster...LOL

Back to catching up and more coffee...

Mum:

What state do you live in?

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

Kids?
 

[COLOMBO]

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.
It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:59 am
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

[COLOMBO]

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


The "fallen judge....."    complicit

[finngirl]

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

The "fallen judge....."    complicit

when reading reports containing numerical labels
we must keep in mind that media outlets can be misled

it's entirely possible to "manage" what reaches the larger public domain

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.

It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!

Geraldo early-mid june:
ATM withdrawals
porn video
JvdS lines of credit at casinos
JvdS drives most tricked out car in aruba
(I know/I know ... he didn't drive ... that woulda been illegal, ROFLMFAO)

Alcazar's Revenge

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: Van Rijn
I do not understand the fixation on Van Rijn. The Police eliminated him as a suspect after extensive harassment. They even literally took his boat, cars and house apart.

He was brought in for questioning a couple of times, but somehow this was not brought in the limelight by the interviews on TV.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: Rape?
Why you haven't seen his face on TV, because he was never pointed to by the Twitty's. That is why.

It is a public secret that the casino employees pointed to him as being involved with Natalee and the group during their stay in Aruba. Even alluding to a romantic involvement with Natalee.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: Raids
Raids on and visits by the Police to Van Rijn's home and his mother's were widely documented with pictures in Aruban newspapers.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: Aruban Newspapers
Diario and Bondia Aruba both posted telelens pictures of the police at his mother's house.

I believe it was in the week right after the trio's arrest.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Same arrest....now it didn't happen!
by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.
According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Holloway.
Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.
However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.

SM FP June 17
BREAKING NEWS: 4th  Person Arrested in Natalee Holloway case
(CORRECTION NO 5th PERSON)
UPDATE- CORRECTION
Fifth person was detained, but released last night.

1 JvdS
2 Deepak Kalpoe
3 Satish Kalpoe
4 june 11 mystery arrest
5 june 16 mystery arrest

6 SGC
7 PvdS

[MumInOhio]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Second Arrest to Occur Saturday
The Blog Wire »
Freddie “Locoman Pimp” Questioned Before, Sells Sex (VIDEO)

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/08/26/freddie-locoman-pimp-questioned-before-sells-sex-video/