SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[CapsLockWizard]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

[jackb]

June 11, 2005

Wasn't June the 11th the day the confession or the body was said to have been found?   Jack b

[SS]

Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?

[hotping]

Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?

Yes I believe that was a rumor and I believe that his alibi for that night was that He had a small party at his house and every one of the guest said he never left...

[texasmom]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.

I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?). Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.

[jackb]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Van Rijn would not have to have anyone to take a fall for him.  I believe the man takes care of his own problems.  He would not need PVs protection.  The younger bro would.  I do hope Val is not mixed up in this.  He seems like he would be a good kid, basically.  I just don't think he is on the same level as Jvs as far as being a thug.  It may be that I am hoping someone in the more mature group is decent.  Anyhow....j/b

[jackb]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.

I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?). Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.

Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.
He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

[SS]

Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch.  What is his mother's maiden name?  Is it Chemaly?

[vms]

Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?

Yes I believe that was a rumor and I believe that his alibi for that night was that He had a small party at his house and every one of the guest said he never left...

I remember the rumor being about a skirt. I could be wrong though. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Van Rijn would not have to have anyone to take a fall for him.  I believe the man takes care of his own problems.  He would not need PVs protection.  The younger bro would.  I do hope Val is not mixed up in this.  He seems like he would be a good kid, basically.  I just don't think he is on the same level as Jvs as far as being a thug.  It may be that I am hoping someone in the more mature group is decent.  Anyhow....j/b

This stement will secure Lorenzo

But first how old is Val, does he own business

Teepees already swaying in strong babylonian (LORENZO VAN RIJN) wind
Bussines already in trouble due to Lorenzo what lorenzo does.

[vms]

Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch.  What is his mother's maiden name?  Is it Chemaly?

Traksel

[jackb]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Who ARE these people?  Hope it helps.  Jack b


he minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision.

[hotping]

IMO Val Could have been involved also because He is in some of the pictures of the pimps and remember Paulus put Him at home the night Beth and Jug arrived by saying that Val woke Him up and told Him people were at the front gate.....So either Val was Home or in Holland with Anita which is it

[jackb]

Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?

Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores

Lorenzo van Rijn

Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Who ARE these people?  Hope it helps.  Jack b


he minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision.

From the Aruba News News Desk:

Good news for education

The minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision. He then introduced the Director of Part-time Programs at the CHN Leewarden University, Ernest Jonker. The visitor gave a presentation of the local university's new phase of development, namely the introduction of a Part-time Bachelor's degree in hospitality, offered on Aruba to members of hospitality middle management aspiring to accelerate their careers and move into higher management functions.

Apparently, the two local Law and Business/Economics faculties have been doing very well graduating Aruban professionals who find it easy to secure employment once their diplomas are in hand.

During the press conference, the university announced its intention to expand and include hospitality. It partnered with an excellent Dutch learning source. Van Rijn called it the #1 Hotel & Management Training Institute within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It is the University of Professional Education, CHN Leeuwarden, who was willing to develop within three years full time Bachelor and Master programs of hospitality management on the island.

That's really constitutes good news. Tourism is an economic pillar of our community and the ability to get educated right at home, saves cost and allows middle management, people already working in the field, an opportunity they never had before. Studies will be conducted in the classroom and via internet, and the admission criteria are quite high. There are academic requirements, language requirements and mostly the program doesn't come cheap, yet it is a fraction of the effort it takes to educate a tourism professional overseas.

School will start in October, and officials set their sight on 10 candidates, just to break even the first year. Having conquered tourism, the university will in the future also offer an additional academic curriculum, opening a Center of Financial Regulations Studies with short post-graduate courses given to professionals by professionals.

One last detail, the University of Aruba is located in town, adjacent to the San Francisco church, across the post-office. The colonial building is blessed with outstanding architecture, a gorgeous inner patio, and a tranquil fishpond. It is the Caribbean's answer to an old New England boarding school. A perfect learning environment.

[SS]

I just found this.....

What we haven't heard is that Lorenzo Van Rijn and Jaime Carrasquilla are more than likely one and the same person. If you study the comparison photos at the top you'll see the likeness. Granted his hair is bleached blonde and his eyebrows are grown out, he appears to be wearing aplenty of sunscreen to keep his naturally dark complexion from getting more sun than necessary and the oils show in his skin. He may even be donning colored contacts in one photo.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html


On this page there is a photographic comparison of Jaime Carrasquilla and Lorenzo van Rijn.  If this is true, the picture of Lorenzo that we have isn't really him.  Was it Finbar or CAPS who said something earlier today about someone without a picture?  This page speculates that Lorenzo actually has blonde hair.  Could this be the blonde haired Dutch boy that Natalee was hanging out with and not von Cromvoirt?

[finngirl]

12/09/2005
DIARIO Aruba

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Thursday, the Public Prosecutor sent a press release to all media, related to an article that appeared in the Amigoe newspaper, where it was published the Attorney General is involved in ongoing cases.

The release says the following: About the level of handling, the Public Prosecutor has decided that it is only the information department of the Public Prosecution that will maintain contact with the press and give information about penal cases.

The information department is equipped with qualified people in the area of information and communications. All workers have to leave them to this handling.

It is not true that the AG involved herself in cases that are ongoing. The AG did not ‘dismiss’ any case either. The AG does not have the authority to do so, only the prosecutor ...

... The AG does not permit any person or institution to influence the decision of the prosecutor. The AG was not involved in the decision in the cases of two suspects of the governing board office ...

... The AG does not involve herself in the decisions of the prosecutor ...

... The AG regrets that things that are not true are said about the Public Prosecutor’s Office ...

... When the AG assumed her work, she met a Public Prosecution’s office that was disorganized, where there was no supervision of the work performed by prosecutors, where it was not known how many cases entered, what type of cases these where, and what happened to this cases.

There was never a management plan, where all souls were working on the same yearly summary of four or five pages, where case dossiers were disappearing without anyone knowing where they went.

Cases remained dormant to later be dismissed, because time had elapsed. Work procedures were not fixed and almost no work rules existed for prosecutors ...

... An example of bad use of power is when permission is given to detain a person for a punishable offense, with the objective to interrogate for another punishable offense.

Another example is when dossiers of a case end up (missing?) and after a lot of searching it comes out that the person is responsible is from the Public Prosecution’s Office ...
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Posted by Getagrip at 12/09/2005 11:53:00 PM
In response to yesterday's Amigo article:

ARUBA – Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) gave the public prosecutor (OM) till December 17th the time to solve the internal problems. The conflict between chief district attorney Karin Janssen and Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandes Perna has been going on for six months already. The minister is now threatening with taking measures against the chief district attorney, because the Attorney General (PG) is her superior.

One of the reasons for the conflict is the way the media was informed in the Holloway case. Janssen, who is a media-officer in the Netherlands, is of the opinion that it was not professionally done.

The conflict escalated when Janssen was interviewed by the Nova. The OM then sent Janssen’s cellular telephone number to all the local and international media that was present. “Now that she has spoken to one journalist, she might as well speak to all of them”, said OM-media information official Mariaine Croes, daughter of the Attorney General.

At that moment, Janssen was up to her ears in the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway and got in trouble because of this. It was decided shortly after that the OM would only give written information on this case.

Another reason for the conflict is that Janssen is of the opinion that the Attorney General is too much involved with current investigations instead of working on policy level. She resents at the PG interfering with the case of two suspicious MEP-supporters that made anonymous threats by phone from the Government office. The PG dismissed this case without consulting Janssen.

Former chief of police, Jan van der Straten also clashed with minister Croes about this.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_04_archive.html

[SS]

Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.

[finngirl]

Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos

[SS]

CAPS - does the name Brandon Pietersz have any connection to this?

[finngirl]

Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.

#2 is Jaime Carrasquilla, for sure
#1 is Brandon Pieterzz (sp?)

these are Lorenzo/prepare to be disappointed: