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MumInOhio
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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Quote from: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:27:45 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:30:14 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA
Which Croes? If it is steve. GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys. Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.
Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.
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Quote from: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:25:21 AM
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Why would he be mad over one girl?
He had girls falling all over him.
He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever. It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends." Just an opinion.
you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him
ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy
the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges
there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them. j/b
enlighten me
post 'em
uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"
GMAFB
FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine. jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig
Also: Mum you may be right. Water seeks its own level.
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Quote from: SS on April 03, 2008, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
SS...
Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...
Let iit roll klaas
The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot
to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.
CAPS
- Are you saying the Steve Croes' correct name is Hendrick Severino Croes?
If so, then Finbar was giving us the correct tip and his great grandparents would have been Ezau Henriquez and Maria Regina Croes. Their daughter, Ellen Henriquez, would have had a daughter named Imolda who married someone named Croes - Rudy, Hendrick, or an additional brother. Which one is Dirty Hand?
Betico???
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Interesting posts last night...thanks everyone...I think I have developed an interest in Genealogy...any site you could recommend SS?...TIA
Seems I missed the memo on Sydney Ponson he has been posted about on at least two different occasion in the past week...Caps...texasmom...TIA
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Found this and I just posted from an interview the other day that said he was Freddy's lawyer...there has got to be some mistake somewhere. Can't be here...this one is official.
the lawyer E. Zeppenfeldt, counselor for suspect S. Kalpoe, the suspects J. van der Sloot, D. Kalpoe and S. Kalpoe.
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Good Morning,
My theory is that Paulus was involved with the Norte Valle Cartel. And that Steve Croes was a bag man for Paulus running all types of errants. Deliveries and pick-ups.
Steve had no known connections to any of the three until Natalee became a crime victim. I believe Paulus called Steve to place Natalee, Joran, Deepak and possibly Satish on the beach and AWAY from the Sloot house. And it's been working still to this day.
I also believe Van Der Straaten fabricated the cell tower triangulation to insulate Paulus and his house. He did that as a favor.
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Quote from: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 06:16:18 AM
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Quote from: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:39:33 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?
He had girls falling all over him.
He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever. It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends." Just an opinion.
you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him
ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy
the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges
there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them. j/b
enlighten me
post 'em
uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"
GMAFB
jackb,
finngirl is
NOT
the only poster who has not seen them, neither have I.
I think you have seen someone other than Lorenzo in pictures surrrounded by girls.
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Found this on 24 ORA. I would post a link but I have to use anonymouse to view the pictures because they blocked my IP when I boosted a ton of pictures (that were posted, I didn't hack it and snoop around) from their site. I just went to the search bar and typed in "Trudy Hassell"... pretty easy for anyone to do.
This looks like she left in 2007 and has a 5 year deal. I am not sure if this coincides with the date Martini has found, but it certainly could be.
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In
my
book of
Dirty Hands
only Comemencia and Richardson remain now.
Van Der Straaten gone.
Hassell gone.
Dompig gone.
All just my opinion...
remember commissioners
come and go
and so does the
dirty hand
gang.
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Quote from: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 01:33:18 AM
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Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.
Snago says: paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?
Lorenzo
OK last name:?
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Lorenzo van Rijn
Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week? He's crazy. Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee? IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.
I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.
I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that
he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?).
Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.
Why would he be mad over one girl? He had girls falling all over him.
He,
in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever. It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends." Just an opinion.
Would you mind showing us those photos of Lorenzo and the girls? TIA
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Quote from: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:40:13 AM
Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch. What is his mother's maiden name? Is it Chemaly?
I don't know her last name right now ,but i found this in my notes
Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:34 pm
arubagirl: I know that right now I'm being an information tease, but it's just ridiculous that I'm afraid that I'm going to be howled out of the message board. Deep sigh Here goes:
According to neighbours of van Rijn's mom, this lady had an affair with v/d Sloot before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn. Natalee was held at Lorenzo's house (who lives alone), since he has a basement (not many houses here have a basement). Natalee has been moved from house to house belonging to those that are in the plan (don't know what plan that is). They are afraid to kill her what with everybody focusing on the case.
Look, I KNOW. I KNOW. It's sounds to utterly fantastic and ridiculous. Please don't kill me, troll me, flame me. Not for this. I WANT it to be true, that she is still alive.
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Terry...friend of Deepak..posted here on SM for a while...at one time I had all those posts...lives in Texas...I think. I will try to find them again.
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Name/Title/Description: Interview with Wendy Terry
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Dallas, Texas
Writer/Initiator: SA J. Brooke Donahue
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jackb,
finngirl is NOT the only poster who has not seen them, neither have I.
I think you have seen someone other than Lorenzo in pictures surrrounded by girls.
jackb you always say you have pictures or info but you never share them hmmm.
I have to agree with Finngirl and vms I hae never seen these so called pictures.
Please post them.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:30:14 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA
Godd Morning Mum,
I finally crashed. I haven't found a relationship between Steve Croes and GVC or Weber. The gnealogy information for the Antilles is very incomplete with just little clumps of information. It seems that so many of the people also have origins in the Netherlands, so that makes it even more difficult. For the most part, I also don't have names of the youngest two generations. This probably why so many of these cousins have been able to fly under the radar so well.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
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SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA
Which Croes? If it is steve. GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys. Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.
Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.
Mum, When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick. Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes. Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.
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Wow, I have spent hours trying to connect Lorenzo with Aruba Today and a deal that went bad. Somebody owed somebody money. Aruba today would be Chemaly or Renfro and her side kicks. I'm also not sure who CAP's German DH is. Van Rijn is a Dutch name and Traksol is also Dutch. Chemaly is Lebanese and we already identified Chemaly and Renfro as DHs. Does it go through Guido Weber? Where does Guido dance in this mess?
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SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA
Which Croes? If it is steve. GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys. Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.
Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.
Mum, When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick. Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes. Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.
SS...Thanks...I had that figured out...The other brother was Betico, accidently killed, some say ,in a car accident on the biggest night of his life! Well I think he lived for a little while, but died from the trauma of the accident.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
Quote from: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:27:45 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:30:14 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA
Which Croes? If it is steve. GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys. Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.
Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.
Mum, When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick. Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes. Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.
SS,
IIRC, it was reported when Steve Croes was arrested that there was no relationship to Rudy Croes or Marianne Croes.
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Quote from: SS on April 04, 2008, 12:25:02 PM
Wow, I have spent hours trying to connect Lorenzo with Aruba Today and a deal that went bad. Somebody owed somebody money. Aruba today would be Chemaly or Renfro and her side kicks. I'm also not sure who CAP's German DH is. Van Rijn is a Dutch name and Traksol is also Dutch. Chemaly is Lebanese and we already identified Chemaly and Renfro as DHs. Does it go through Guido Weber? Where does Guido dance in this mess?
Sorry...I can't help with this one...too many questions around Guido/Lorenzo Wever and around Lorenzo van Rijn/Geijn or Gijn as Jossy called him.
I'm not 100% sure who either of them really are. I take a lot out of Aruba with a grain of salt.
There was a Wever that was Hendrik Croes's partner, looks like he died from the website....think it was 2006....Has a son with the firm called Geoffrey born I think in 1980...hmmm!
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===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
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=> The Monkey Lounge
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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