SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Rob]

Had to go to wayback machine to get originals and they are loading too slow for me.  Some info on the bands (was Caps looking for that?).

http://web.archive.org/web/20051027064441/http://guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm

not loading for me either Buckeye

[Rob]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub. 

[Buckeye]

Had to go to wayback machine to get originals and they are loading too slow for me.  Some info on the bands (was Caps looking for that?).

http://web.archive.org/web/20051027064441/http://guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm

not loading for me either Buckeye

 

[klaasend]

Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos

No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me 

post 'em 

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB

FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.

Like you would know so much about Lorenzo?  You know NO pics are out there.
I will tell you this and it may enable to to think a bit more about what you are saying.  You are incorrect in your assumptions.  There are pictures (maybe) that even I have not seen.  The US has pictures of nearly every human bein on this planet, up to and including Lorenzo.  No one escapes the eye in the sky and/or
planes that fly over so high or so low that radar cannot pick them up.  As for me seeing your.  I do not need to, as I probably have what I need.  PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb

Jackb - I agree with FIN on the Lorenzo picks.  I suggest you (Jackb) drop it and stop attacking posters.  Sure, there are probably lots of photos around of me too but do you have any of them?

This is a warning Jackb - we do not attack other posters and don't claim to have photos that the US Government may or may not have.

Also, please do not ask me to post photos for you.  You are no more special than anyone else here and the majority of us have photobucket accounts.  If we can do it so can you.

[Buckeye]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

When Guido was arrested, in Holland.  There was a Dutch poster, on another board, that said the only dental surgery school in Holland was located in the city that Guido was arrested in.  He said the name Wever, much less Guido Wever was unusual there (as opposed to common in Aruba).  He stated that it was a well known fact that the Minister's son was in dental surgery school.  He then identified the dark haired picture as the Guido Wever that he was talking about.  He never posted again (at least under that name).  It doesn't make a lot of sense that that would be the Guido we know.....but.  Early on, there were posts that Guido first went to Canada.  The Minister's son was first in school in Cuba...maybe you can go there when you aren't out of highschool....especially if your dad is the Minister and makes a donation.  Then the postings about being Robert Wever's son came up.  My only thought is....if our Guido is the son of Booshi, it would explain the injunction on the Joran book, the unsigned letter the parents issued and the involvement of Spong.....maybe all that can be said about Robert....but he looked a little ill, in the pics...to try and hide the real identity.

Long story short...I don't know.

[Rob]

I know this has been raised many times and I'm not trying to get the topic going in a new direction, but I DO find it interesting that Posner, or more specifically, the Excelsior seems to not only allowed Joran to gamble with a credit line but also allowed Guido to work tables.

That, my friends, is weird. It's asking for a lawsuit and hopefully the request has been answered 

[Rob]

I have an interesting thought, well, to me it is, some might not think so...

but has anyone considered that the "gamblers and dice men" might be people that have been banned from the casinos for cheating or other mischief and formed an underground casino?

[SS]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub. 

Don't worry about it.  I just don't want you to think that I was attacking your friend.  We just needed a piece of her family tree.  Her genealogy skills are really quite good, by the way.  The information that I had found was not from the site where Finbar had sent us.  Your friend has done some nice genealogy work that is posted at other sites.  Because I can't identify the youngest two generations, I'm still not completely sure that Steve's father is Hendrick or a third brother.  Regardless, Rudy seems to be his uncle. I will go with CAPS on this one for now.

Think about what we have on Guido.  We have information about a kid who was friend of Joran and the group of high school pimps. He was a high school drop out, aged 17 or 18.  I think this Guido is possibly the good tennis player. He was dumpy and not great looking. This Guido wouldn't have been old enough to gamble in the casino let alone be a croupier who had completed croupier school and had enough sophistication to be in the island's top casino.  Supposedly this guy ran to the Netherlands.  Guido #1 is in Holland.

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands.  Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?  When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.

[MumInOhio]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

When Guido was arrested, in Holland.  There was a Dutch poster, on another board, that said the only dental surgery school in Holland was located in the city that Guido was arrested in.  He said the name Wever, much less Guido Wever was unusual there (as opposed to common in Aruba).  He stated that it was a well known fact that the Minister's son was in dental surgery school.  He then identified the dark haired picture as the Guido Wever that he was talking about.  He never posted again (at least under that name).  It doesn't make a lot of sense that that would be the Guido we know.....but.  Early on, there were posts that Guido first went to Canada.  The Minister's son was first in school in Cuba...maybe you can go there when you aren't out of highschool....especially if your dad is the Minister and makes a donation.  Then the postings about being Robert Wever's son came up.  My only thought is....if our Guido is the son of Booshi, it would explain the injunction on the Joran book, the unsigned letter the parents issued and the involvement of Spong.....maybe all that can be said about Robert....but he looked a little ill, in the pics...to try and hide the real identity.

Long story short...I don't know.

TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

[Rob]

SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .

[MumInOhio]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

Sorry…I didn’t mean to yell, but I got locked out.  I just posted that there could be two, even asked Caps if he had the right Guido…I think!…LOL

[Rob]

Buckeye, I have come to the conclusion that the way back machine is totally useless. It never finds what I am looking for. And now there are no archives for Aru-Bay in 2005. '06 and '07 are still there, but the rest it gone. Go figger!! and they have nothing for 9-11-2005... it's like they removed it on purpose.

maybe others have had better luck with that site.

[MumInOhio]

SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .

Not the guy with the scratches according to Jossy…the frumpy one I mean….supposed to be another arrest in the Netherlands at the same time…didn’t happen!

[Rob]

Buckeye, I have come to the conclusion that the way back machine is totally useless. It never finds what I am looking for. And now there are no archives for Aru-Bay in 2005. '06 and '07 are still there, but the rest it gone. Go figger!! and they have nothing for 9-11-2005 2001... it's like they removed it on purpose.

maybe others have had better luck with that site.

sssssself edit.... for idiocy!!!

[Buckeye]

OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers .

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense? 

HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub. 

Don't worry about it.  I just don't want you to think that I was attacking your friend.  We just needed a piece of her family tree.  Her genealogy skills are really quite good, by the way.  The information that I had found was not from the site where Finbar had sent us.  Your friend has done some nice genealogy work that is posted at other sites.  Because I can't identify the youngest two generations, I'm still not completely sure that Steve's father is Hendrick or a third brother.  Regardless, Rudy seems to be his uncle. I will go with CAPS on this one for now.

Think about what we have on Guido.  We have information about a kid who was friend of Joran and the group of high school pimps. He was a high school drop out, aged 17 or 18.  I think this Guido is possibly the good tennis player. He was dumpy and not great looking. This Guido wouldn't have been old enough to gamble in the casino let alone be a croupier who had completed croupier school and had enough sophistication to be in the island's top casino.  Supposedly this guy ran to the Netherlands.  Guido #1 is in Holland.

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands.  Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?  When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.

He may have looked frumpy but the pic was downloaded from an Aruban Gay model site. IIRC

[Rob]

SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .

Not the guy with the scratches according to Jossy…the frumpy one I mean….supposed to be another arrest in the Netherlands at the same time…didn’t happen!

maybe I'm even more confused... where Caps to boolean me and get my head right? 

so there was another person, same name, arrested? holy cow, no wonder this seems is so screwed up!!!

[Buckeye]

Has anyone ever seen a picture of the "other" Guido?  The Minister's son??

[MumInOhio]

SS…Tito put the Lorenzo Wever info out there…it was all meant to confuse!

[SS]

TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening.

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.

[SS]

Picture #1 is Guido #1.  This is the Guido we have all followed.  This was taken from the Aruban Modeling shots.  I can't imagine what he's modeling.  He's hobvioulsy had no training - look at the posture and the way he holds his hands. 

Guido #2.  This is a photograph that I borrowed from another blog.  Someone over there claims that this is Guido Wever.  I can't verify anything.

Will the real Guido Wever please stand up?