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« Reply #1140 on: April 04, 2008, 05:05:38 PM »



REALLY OLD POST…maybe look at David…will post it all as I have to go…


I was trying to put this to rest one way or the other as I still have my other ‘David’ to follow up on. Strange I started with ‘only David left the den alive’ and look where it led me. I can’t tell if Pita’s and jackb’s David are the same. I am absolutely no good at pics. So have put the link Nut found right in the middle.


David Wever/Lorenzo Wever?Guido Wever

 Jacobus Lorenzo ‘David’ Wever that died at age 69, jackb said he left for Holland, may have been the manager at the HI casino


Lorenzo/Guido Wever -  we already know all about him, or do we?


David Wever – from Pita page 46 of the other thread – leaning against what appears to be a white pickup.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/584378--Dave--Profile-html


David Wever – that jackb posted on page 69 and which Klaas posted the picture on page 70.

Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Sijn…..need I say more!




Lorenzo Wever?
Rjames forums…9/9/2005
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LoWHbBrK9kIJ:www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_48.html+%2B%22natalee+Holloway%22+%2Bbreakfast+%2Bbrunch+%2Bolder+man&hl=en
Posted by: Noplanstovisit | Aug 21, 2005 5:32:10 AM
"Tag team set up. Lorenzo Wever (casino employee, flew to Holland right after Natalee’s disappearance) befriends Natalie and makes sure he sits with her at breakfast so that observers will think something is going on between them (and maybe so, maybe not)."

"About all I'll say - 24 was the age I heard. And I am aware of a poker dealer who allegedly quit and left Aruba the day after he was questioned. Have no more info on that."
Posted by: Dan | Aug 21, 2005 3:14:08 AM



Snipped from a post on Jan 26th.

I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.


http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/a/hiram-vrolijk-friend-of-joran_post77.html


GrannyToad- 05-27-2006

Why does it matter who this boy is? He isn't even close to being one of the suspects. We never know if or which of Joran's pals were involved in what way with Natalee being disappeared, ladytiger. You have your personal interests, at BFN we want Natalee found or to learn how she was Disappeared. that doesn't mean that we have to discuss every distrant friend or every kid that was on the same school as a suspect. There are already way too much suspects to begin with. Discussing every person on the island in Joran's age group is not productive IMHO.
‘Ya spose? I knew about Guido a couple months before his name came up. Oh yeah, really last June except that Tito made a mistake and referred to him as Lorenzo. There is another Lorenzo, Wever, at that casino so I understand the mistake if Tito didn't know either well. So if in cases like Guido's and Koen's whom I'd also identified before they hit the blogs, it's good to know. Are there more to know, besides Freddy, Jaime, Steve Croes, the Kalpoe brothers ... ?’


January 23, 2008, 05:42:17 AM
Lala's...I found these posts from *******....on: January 02, 2008, 07:48:19 PM  Quote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 07:08:12 PMQuote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 05:40:27 PMLorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government We know Guido's dad is Robert Wever a politician and the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA. No idea if Guido is related to Booshi Wever or the other high ranking Wevers. But I have long been suspicious that PVDS was not the only father who influenced this case.

January 23, 2008, 04:35:03 AM
Seeing Guido is being discussed again, this is what I found in the last LCD before we went to the new format and had posted tn the Shango and Simian thread.....Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.    dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PMHow did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night? Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June. Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

January 14, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Do we know if Guido is Aruban or Dutch? I'm getting kinda stuck on someone else running off to the Netherlands...but that's because in the back of my mind I have one of the SG's mothers saying 'dutch brothers' from an influential family.

January 11, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
From June 5th 2005….8.34AM …Arbeej

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=6



quote:
"* One of the 3 original "persons of interest" is the son of a Judge on the island of Aruba..."

This was actually confirmed for us by an Aruban news reporter. He confirmed that one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer. It was not, however, clarified as to whether their Dads and the rest of the families live and work on Aruba. The three boys, though born in other countries, are legal residents of Aruba. I do not Know long they have lived there, but they are indeed legal residents.                   
                         -------------------------------------------


I will quit here as this path starts leading me to Sander and Koen.
 
So I wonder who were the two Dutch brothers reportedly arrested early on?

Lorenzo/Joran

Koen/Sander

Or maybe Guido and David are brothers. (But definately not blond)

All Arubans are Dutch, but not all Dutch are Arubans!




Link that leads to Gottenbos….a couple of posts on pages 2 and 3

http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=5&y=2006&pagenum=2

And this one takes me back to Sander

January 26, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
Think I found my blue-eyed Dutchboy with the scratches and of course his phone was stolen...now let's see if the sitemeter goes crazy...LOL: Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject:  from hyscience  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're welcome Harry. It has been interesting to read around and I may have just gotten more confused than clarified. I'm going to bed now. You and me seem to be the only one's up late tonight and commenting. There seem to be enough folks speculating about three people that my guess is there will be if it has not happened already. I think your original assessment that this Wever arrest is more than a suspect, perhaps a real charge, is likely accurate. The only reason I might guess that it may not be is the interview with Joe T >> I just didn't get the impression that he was convinced since he stressed they had known about him since the beginning. One post somewhere said that Weaver worked the casino the night Natalee disappeared, my impression was for a few hours after her disappearance, and that others who worked with him thought he acted nervous (that wasn't their adjective, but it was similar), then he abruptly quit after her disappearance and moved to Holland. It is claimed by some he had scratches and bruises after here disappearance, but some were disputing this. He and Joran also were alleged to have played tennis the afternoon after Natalee disappeared. I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once. There is some speculation that the Columbian that some claim to have been arrested in Aruba may be the famous Jossy witness gardener. I'll just be tyou will have it all sorted out by Friday. Here are the three: 1. Guido Wever who use to work at the Excelcior Casino as "dealer", who use to play tennis at the Aruba Raquet club, and who is the son of a political party's leader, Robert Wever, was detained in the Netherlands. 2. Sander G. is the kid in school in Aruba that left before his finals and flew to Holland last week and now is detained in the Netherlands. (Some speculated that he is Koen's younger brother, but don't know if this is accurate.) Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos is a Colombian man who was detained in Aruba. (Some speculated that he also is Jossy's gardener witness.)

September 1, 2005

Son minister gets fined for threat
 ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant.  He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.
 There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever.  This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out.  Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever.  The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.
 When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained.  Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet.  According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict.  "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

 According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns.  Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration.  (Amigoe)


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« Reply #1141 on: April 04, 2008, 05:12:47 PM »

This is from a model's portfolio? 
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« Reply #1142 on: April 04, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »

TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening.

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.

When a Guido was arrested, Spong said his job was not to watch the door but to work.  So, whichever one was arrested had been working the casino.

Thanks for the second pic, I have never seen it.
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« Reply #1143 on: April 04, 2008, 05:27:52 PM »

I found lots of reports that Guido Wever was Arlene Ellis-Scheffer's cousin and that they are related through his mother.  I just don't know which Guido is the correct cousin. 
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« Reply #1144 on: April 04, 2008, 05:35:46 PM »

SOUL BEACH FESTIVAL…I had the schedule, but can’t find it…LOL

http://agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=412

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« Reply #1145 on: April 04, 2008, 05:38:29 PM »

TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening.

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.

When a Guido was arrested, Spong said his job was not to watch the door but to work.  So, whichever one was arrested had been working the casino.

Thanks for the second pic, I have never seen it.

The family issued a letter right? kinda like the one the the van Cromvoirt issued...?? maybe they signed their ctually names???

and another thing -

these families on Aruba think they are soooo freaking important... most of them don't add up to nuttin'! I'm sure there are some families of doctors and other highly respected professions, but for the most part, they ain't impressin' me !!

Aruba is a dot in the sea... big deal for those that think the world revolves around Aruba.... they need to get off that island and see how big the world really is!
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« Reply #1146 on: April 04, 2008, 05:48:05 PM »

Spong:

My client GUido is indicted of murder, manslaughter and it is a serious indictment of course This charge has been delivred to him last wednesday.

He is in The Netherlands , he is being questioned every day

He was a witness in June last year after Natalee disappeared and since Feb of this year he is a suspect. The prosecution in Aruba is wanting him very quickly

Tomorrow I will ask the Court in The Hague to give a decision to not allow to take him from The Netherlands to Aruba I think we can prove or make sure that he is not guilty

There are witnesses that are giving statements that he could be seen as a suspect but I think their statements is easily, we can fight it easily


He never met Natalee, he claimed he never seen her, he says he is completely innocent.

He was working in the casino.

We can confirm then that GUido Wever is the 8th suspect in this case?
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Jossy:

Yes he is

Julie:

We are hearing reports that were printed in the local paper there that this Guido Wever had scratches and bruises to his body that was noticed the day after Natalee disappeared

Jossy

No no, that's not correct, they were referring to another person, not to Guido. I read the article, it doesn't mention any names but from what we know from the beginning, he's not the man that came out of there with scratches

Julie

Suspicon of kidnapping and killing, what does that mean in Aruba?

Jossy

Suspected on basis of some kind of evidence coming forward from witnesses...they did interrogate Guido in June last year and he is known to be a very good friend of Joran, plays tennis with him, gambled with him at Marriott ...

Julie

Guido, compared to GVC the other suspect, do you believe that he is perhapss in bigger trouble than GVC

Jossy

I'm sure he's in bigger trouble, he does know and been very close friend of Joran, GVC always denied he knew Joran.

05/21 TRANSCRIPTS Dutch Att. Gerard Spong & Jossy Mansur
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« Reply #1147 on: April 04, 2008, 05:52:33 PM »

I am blown away right now by the Guidos.

- There is a Frohverd (Robert) Wever who married Pauline von Raalte,  Robert    Wever has a brother named Seff who wons a crematorium.  Robert and Pauline have a son named Guido.
-Guido a dental student in the Netherlands who was a croupier at the Excelsior.
-Boshi Wever is the Minister of Health and has a son named Guido Wever.
-Guido Wever is a cousin of Arlene Ellis-Schepper.
-Guido Wever is a gay model.
-Robert F. Weber is head of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement and has a son     
  named Guido Wever.
-Guido is an outstanding tennis player.
-Guido owns a white Nissan.
-Guido was arrested as a suspect in the Netherlands.
-Guido was questioned as a suspect in Aruba.
-Guido was a 17 year old high school drop out.
-Guido was 24 years old.
-Guido hung out with Joran and the pimps.
-Guido has a relationship with J A Chemaly.

Where do we begin to figure out what parts belong to which Guido. 
I'm afraid we'll have to suffer another Boolean headache. 
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« Reply #1148 on: April 04, 2008, 06:01:43 PM »

I am blown away right now by the Guidos.

- There is a Frohverd (Robert) Wever who married Pauline von Raalte,  Robert    Wever has a brother named Seff who wons a crematorium.  Robert and Pauline have a son named Guido.
-Guido a dental student in the Netherlands who was a croupier at the Excelsior.
-Boshi Wever is the Minister of Health and has a son named Guido Wever.
-Guido Wever is a cousin of Arlene Ellis-Schepper.
-Guido Wever is a gay model.
-Robert F. Weber is head of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement and has a son     
  named Guido Wever
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-Guido is an outstanding tennis player.
-Guido owns a white Nissan.
-Guido was arrested as a suspect in the Netherlands.
-Guido was questioned as a suspect in Aruba.
-Guido was a 17 year old high school drop out
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-Guido was 24 years old.
-Guido hung out with Joran and the pimps.
-Guido has a relationship with J A Chemaly.

Where do we begin to figure out what parts belong to which Guido. 
I'm afraid we'll have to suffer another Boolean headache. 

Guido Wever that was detained - I've highlighted what I believe is to be true about him in red above.  Not saying that other are not true, only pointing out those I believe we know to be true:

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« Reply #1149 on: April 04, 2008, 06:13:11 PM »

Didn't we have Guido's parents names when they issued that statement threatening to take legal action on everyone.

I am thinking the Guido that gave the PV is the Guido we have all come to know and love...I thought his dad was named Robert...again...I am confused as to who is the Guido with scratches.
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« Reply #1150 on: April 04, 2008, 06:14:51 PM »

Guido Wever Fights Extradition

Wever was a tennis partner, and close friend/accomplice to Joran. He was a croupier (dealer) at the Holiday Inn, who scouted girls for Joran. Their routine was for Joran to help girls win, thereby befriending them. Joran and Guido were into ecstasy, and were thought to engage in homosexual activities. The day after the murder, they played tennis, and were together till 2:00 in the morning.  Wever is a low paid hotel worker and an accomplice, who moves to Holland.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

How could Wever suddenly be in dental school paying Gerold Spong, the best attorney in Holland? 
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« Reply #1151 on: April 04, 2008, 06:18:28 PM »

SOUL BEACH FESTIVAL…I had the schedule, but can’t find it…LOL

http://agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=412


’05 SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL IN ARUBA
SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
May 25-30, 2005
Wednesday, May 25
• Opening Party – Welcoming Celebration 9:00 p.m. – 3:00 a.m.
Euphoria with DJ General Lee
Thursday, May 26
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Soul Beach Casino Night & After Party 8:00 p.m. – 3:00 a.m.
Royal Cabana Casino with DJ General Lee
Friday, May 27
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Platinum Comedy Night Jam 7:00-11:00 p.m.
Entertainment Center (outdoor event)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Frank Ski
Saturday, May 28
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Main Stage Concert 7:00 p.m. – 11:00 p.m.
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Biz Markie
Sunday, May 29
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort Aruba with DJ Fred Loc
• Main Stage Concert 7:00 p.m. – 11:00 p.m.
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Biz Markie
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1152 on: April 04, 2008, 06:25:16 PM »

Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


Didn't the two people who hung themselves work for Media Max? 

Also, was looking for the posts of the people who own the apartments, Moko and I can't remember the other.  The  owners listed are looking familiar to some of the last names  you are coming up with.  I did searches  on them, and one was involved with an investment firm that had offices  in Wash.  DC.   I deleted the info, thinking it wasn't usefull, but now I am wondering about some of the  names you are coming up with.  Like Dijk and I remember there was a Dijkoff (same as the Ruth who worked at the  bank).   
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« Reply #1153 on: April 04, 2008, 06:39:28 PM »

IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?
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« Reply #1154 on: April 04, 2008, 06:45:47 PM »

IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 
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« Reply #1155 on: April 04, 2008, 06:47:08 PM »


VMS posted this on 3/26/08; Can't read it but can tell it refers to Guido Wever as Robert Wever's son.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1156 on: April 04, 2008, 07:08:41 PM »

IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


This is really confusing and I'm starting to think that intentional errors were sent out to confuse everyone.  Supposedly both Guidos were in Aruba and supposedly both are now in the Netherlands.  The thing that finally forced me to realize that our Guido might not be the right Guido was when Rob let me know that he had been a 17 year old dropout.  I think you have to be 18 to gamble and 21 to be a croupier in Aruba.  You also have to go to a special school.  I found some stuff which said that Guido who was now a dental student had been the 24 year old croupier.  I am starting to wonder if the press made an error (or intentional) when this guy was initially arrested and the information has just continued to perpetuate itself.
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« Reply #1157 on: April 04, 2008, 07:17:27 PM »

Well, as far as I can tell, the Guido we all know to be the casino worker is the  Guido with the father named Robert...where did we get this Guido is Booshi's son anyway?  What does the Booshi Guido have to do with all this?  I have missed the point..which in my case is not unusual. LOL     Help!!!

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« Reply #1158 on: April 04, 2008, 07:24:53 PM »

IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


This is really confusing and I'm starting to think that intentional errors were sent out to confuse everyone.  Supposedly both Guidos were in Aruba and supposedly both are now in the Netherlands.  The thing that finally forced me to realize that our Guido might not be the right Guido was when Rob let me know that he had been a 17 year old dropout.  I think you have to be 18 to gamble and 21 to be a croupier in Aruba.  You also have to go to a special school.  I found some stuff which said that Guido who was now a dental student had been the 24 year old croupier.  I am starting to wonder if the press made an error (or intentional) when this guy was initially arrested and the information has just continued to perpetuate itself.

SS - just to be clear, Guido Wever allegedly "left" Aruba before graduation and went to Holland. He left a Nissan behind and this seems to be a new or newer car. He may have had enough credits to graduate and I suspect he did, but not wanting to take part in a ceremony to commemorate your accomplishments certainly leads me to believe he was getting the heck outta Dodge as fast as possible.

I *might* not technically classify him as a dropout.

I agree, he's not the person described as the croupier. This is a person obviously older and more refined. And that's another reason to look at all info provided by the Diario. I'm not sure they are doing it on purpose, but there does seem to be a huge dis-information campaign and it's possible that the Diario even fell for some of it.

Jossy said he has / had a huge file on Joran since he was 8 or 10 years old. Now where is it? He said he would expose what the Diario knew. Still waiting!!!

And how could the Diario obtain info on a 10 year old? that seems a bit much and illegal in my opinion. But if he has it  - I'll look at it. LOL... I doubt he has it.
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« Reply #1159 on: April 04, 2008, 07:25:35 PM »

I don't think age is important in  determining who does and does not gamble on Aruba.  Andre Dos Santos was in the casino and saw Joran and Guido together.  He was them leave to go get money at Joran's house...so I am thinking we have the right Guido after all.  Besides if it is not the one in the picture would you have let your son's photo be plastered all over the world knowing your kid was not even there?
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