SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Looks like the 14th. And the 18th. for Paulus…


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p164

Tuesday June 14th, 2005

Paul speaks with with chief commissioner Jan van der Straaten, they know each other professionally but are not close friends.

Van der Straaten: I pointed out that I was amazed about Joran's different reactions. One moment crying, the other moment he is more cautious, as if there are two Joran's.

Paul: “It is true that Joran can lie. He has amongst other things been in therapy for that by a psychiatrist. It was the intention he would have his final appointment there today. We as parents have been there. We thought it was going well with Joran, because the exit-meeting would take place, but also the psychiatrist expresses her worries about that.”

Van der Straaten: “I ask Paul whether Joran is heavily into ‘girls’.” Paul: “He is very popular with the girls. We never received any signs of disrespectful behavior to girls by Joran”.

Van der Straaten: I ask Paul if he thinks it is respectful to leave a girl of 18 years old alone on the beach after his son was satisfied.

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Paul responds to this: “No, surely not. We as parents cannot agree with that.”

I confront Paul with the proposition that he knows exactly what happened that night. Paulus reacts non-verbally surprised and says: “It surprises me that you even consider that. If I would know, I most certainly would have informed you. I am shocked that that is what you think.”
I tell Paulus that he must not react that way, since during the first (lied) story he had been active in calling together a meeting with the other suspects. Paulus says: “It is true that I fully trusted the story of the boys, and I have been disappointed in that.”


After that Paul is interrogated about having explained the legal procedures:

It is indeed true that I explained to them how the procedures of the ‘Wetboek van Strafvordering’ work. To your question if I have said that if there is ‘no body there is no case’, I can declare that I might have said something meaning that it is difficult to suspect someone of a crime when no body is found. Joran is under treatment of a psychiatrist because he stole money from us and has lied about that. If Joran had told me he had killed the girl, Id have gone to the police with him.


Saturday June 18th, 2005

Paul is interrogated today for 6 hours:

I’ve believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone to the beach with the girl. Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. My wife and I were very angry with Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran with this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth. I believed the boys and I hoped that the girl would re-appear soon. When this didn’t happen I had told them that if they were the last to have been seen with this girl, they could become suspects. That’s why I prepared them for this and told them what they could expect if they would be arrested. I repeatedly told them that they would not have any difficulty with this, because as said, they were telling the truth. I have repeatly told them in general terms, that if the girl wouldn’t be found, that this could create a problem for them, and added to that would come that it then remains unclear whether a crime and what crime had been committed.

[MumInOhio]

Interesting!!!

From Joran’s book translation…

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In Klaas’ reply #3

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old....       li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

[Lala'sMom]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

[MumInOhio]

The recurring name in this saga...DEA, FBI and a Judge...

September 1st 2005

Anthony visits again, has not heard back from the judge, only knows that Joran will be confronted with Deepak and Satish again on Saturday. Anthony leaves but returns ten minutes later and says, "Judge Williams has decided to release you on Saturday at 15:00." Joran jumps for joy.

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And one I told Lala's about ages ago...

Page 206

It was very hot in the prison and Joran contracted some form of rash or acne. Later that day, the court heard the appeal against Joran’s detention being extended. There was another fight in the prison.

Joran heard that the police grabbed Freddy by the throat ad that Guido was “seriously” interrogated by the Dutch police. Joran believes the police still believe that Paulus had something to do with Natalee’s disappearance. The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”
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I wonder what was in Jossy's paper that day?

Page 215

July 27th

Joran went to court to appeal against the taking of the DNA sample.

Upon his return, Joran reads an article in Diario that has him quite upset, although he does not elaborate. According to Joran, Jossy Mansur publicizes “nonsense” and is only interested in obtaining an American visa.


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[MumInOhio]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 

[MumInOhio]

Goodnight Lala's...going to sleep on it and the 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit!!!

Thanks for helping out with Caps and those Simian posts...

[Lala'sMom]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 

We have clues...just too many and not enough all at the same time. 

[MumInOhio]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 

We have clues...just too many and not enough all at the same time. 

We keep going around in circles....By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino!

[finngirl]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

a dutchy

... IF we go by: JvdS/K2 + june 11 guy + june 16 guy = 5

june 17 FP posts following SGC's 6am arrest:
aia/checkme and a couple other locals IIRC
were discussing both arrests

checkme said guy last night was dutchy
and guy this morning not dutchy

but checkme got their relationships w/ J/K2 backwards

said dutchy arrested previous night was friend of K2
and not dutchy arrested that morning was friend of JvdS

whereas we/some of us are of the opinion that
SGC = friend of K2/or at least Deepak
and LvR is friend of JvdS

aia is the one IIRC whose description of dutchy
matched LvR in every major detail

ding ding ding ... ?

[finngirl]

Page 206

The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”

wasn't aware that FBI was allowed to interview anyone.
thought they were granted *******-only status

and who is David?
 
is he the only one who left the den alive?

[finngirl]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

was reading too fast earlier and didn't see this ... thank you!

ding ding ding

By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino!

the short list would be those who weren't in the casino 

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Rodriquez and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

[MumInOhio]

Page 206

The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”

wasn't aware that FBI was allowed to interview anyone.
thought they were granted *******-only status

and who is David?
 
is he the only one who left the den alive?

Just what I slept on...LoL...Let me see what I can find on David!

[MumInOhio]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

was reading too fast earlier and didn't see this ... thank you!

ding ding ding

By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino!

the short list would be those who weren't in the casino 

I was referring to if Natalee could have met him earlier in the week...in the casino!...LOL

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.


5th suspect waltzes away

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.    (at this point PVDS name appears, 5th disappears)

[COLOMBO]

and then PVDS=5th in news cycle

[COLOMBO]

"find DirtyHand"

PVDS had one or two cards.......

[finngirl]

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not